No God Exists: Why Should I Be Good to humans?
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But even where there is "no god" the fitra tells a person between right and wrong, ad that is the reason that in fact some called who call themselves on believers are in jact just commpassionate and self sacrificig for the sake of others.
Salaam
i am asking prove me logically what wrong in theft, for (thief) as long as he enjoying the benefits of theft robbery , why should he sacrifice at the first place when he have guts to live nice life by robbing other people ? why the hell he will sacrifice ? human being is always very selfish. but question here is what make us stop for being bad ?
about fitrat , diff people have diff fitrat , a fitrat of rapist feel right to rape, a fitrat of thief fee right to steal, a fitrat of Good person feel good to help/sacrifce. the last fitrat no body have issues how you will sort the first two catagories.
salam
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The post is about the world where only atheism exists. Not the current time.
exactly where there is no messengers reach to introduce Allah, but as far i kknow even inn jungles of africa where there is no advance civilisation , they born on natural firtat, deen e fitrat. and they do sujood and glorify a supreme being on every susset and sunrise, i forget the name of that documentry ,
but for the generations like us when the truth is infront of them they will just deny it due to the eggo and due to easy way out of spending life he/she claim himself athiest , just simply they think whatever they will do no body will gona ask them,
i have three close athiest friends , when i ask from them why do u not beleive in God , they very first answer becoz we dnt have any proof that god exist and then they said we are god we control ourself, apart from this they are nice and civilised, is it not unjstice to claim or think i m god when they know from their heart what is truth, they know they cant even control their life, or death, is that they deifne God in their image, they will go to hell fire defiantely,
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athiest problem number one, he dnt believe in hell fire and hereafter?
answer to them,
753 Does man think that We will not gather his bones?
754 Indeed, We were able to make his very fingertips.athiest problem number 2, underestimation of creator?
3131 Have you not seen the ships sailing in the sea by the grace of God,
so that He shows you some of His signs? In that are signs for
every one who is patient, thankful.3132 And when waves surround them like mountains, they call on
God, sincerely devoting the system to Him. But when He saves
them to the shore, some of them return. None discard Our signs
except those who are betrayers, rejecters.athiest problem number three, they want to control their life,, or they think they are controlling their life.
7536 Did man think that he will be left neglected?
7537 Was he not a seed from sperm put forth?
7538 Then he was an embryo, so he was created and developed.
7539 Then He made from it the pair, the male and the female.
7540 Is One as such then not able to resurrect the dead?761 Was there not a time in the past when man was nothing to even be
mentioned?
762 We have created man from a mixed seed; We test him, so We made
him hear and see.
763 We have guided him to the path, either to be thankful or to reject.there are lot more problems of them just few i mention why athiesm is not favorable in any way
problem four agnostic and athiest cannot be same , as agnostic is not rejecting God he is looking for God, but athiest clearly reject the God and stubborn on it. same like firoonof moses and king of abraaham time.even the truth prevail on them but they still stick with ego and pride.
So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless
10 92 sura younusif still they athiest are claiming there is no evidence so we reject God thats not the case in current world,
peace
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i am asking prove me logically what wrong in theft, for (thief) as long as he enjoying the benefits of theft robbery , why should he sacrifice at the first place when he have guts to live nice life by robbing other people ? why the hell he will sacrifice ? human being is always very selfish. but question here is what make us stop for being bad ?
salamCompletely wrong,
A person may see nothig wrong in gettingmoney from sombody who is nnot going to suffer for tht stolen money with hunger or need. But any person will understand that if he or she steals thhe money for food or shelter of persons who need it she is not doing something good. He is doing something bad. A person may not do so and steal in site of it, but then it would be not because he considers that a good act but because he has chosen to act so in site of it no being right. It is a moral choice.
You are wrong that huamns are bad nd selfish. There are many kinds of human of course, but no, mostly they do think there are propper and good things and bad things.
There my be many types of moral or inmoral perople but there isonly one human fitra. That is the fitra which tells anybody understandable universal rules of moral, like ot killing not doing bda in exchange for good, etc. It is through perversion that people do somethig else, nnot because they think it is right but because they thik they r going to be better off doing wrong. THEY KNOW IT. Their being rogue is not their nturl state, it is their choice because they think they will be greater that way.
about fitrat , diff people have diff fitrat , a fitrat of rapist feel right to rape, a fitrat of thief fee right to steal, a fitrat of Good person feel good to help/sacrifce. the last fitrat no body have issues how you will sort the first two catagories.
No there is not such a thing as anybody not drunk thinking genuinely that rape is right. You cnnot really believe that. Is it only fear of God to not rape anybody you fancy? I do ot think so, and if you did, then I would think you were rotten., shaytaic, shaytan. Yes, sgaytan, or if you did any other thing manifestly cruel or unjust. Would you think that it was right to have sombody being forced by you, writhing and terrified and that only the fear of God would prvent you from doing such a thing. Do you find that those things are really beautiful or covetable?
Tehere i no such a thing as humn being inevitable bad and only being good out of fear or obligation. Do you think your mothr took car of you or loves you out of feaar of Godd or by obligation? Would you love your kid or take care of them only because of fer of God or because being forced to it.
Would you smmile kidly to anybody becaue of fear of Go or because soebody forces you?
There is no, God forbid, the fitra of a rapist. That is not a fitr, tat is omething you hav to work for, and the fct that there may be a lot of eople working on attaining such personality does ot change the fact that that is conquered, not given as a birthright.
And omething else. Do ot orget the names of God, are many. A erso may not worshi God, but ay worship al 3dl, and that is a name of God, would anybody dare say that omeone who struggls for al 3adl is not struggling for God? If God is al 3adl then whoever gives his life for it is working in worshiping al 3adl.
Salaam
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Completely wrong,
A person may see nothig wrong in gettingmoney from sombody who is nnot going to suffer for tht stolen money with hunger or need. But any person will understand that if he or she steals thhe money for food or shelter of persons who need it she is not doing something good. He is doing something bad. A person may not do so and steal in site of it, but then it would be not because he considers that a good act but because he has chosen to act so in site of it no being right. It is a moral choice.
You are wrong that huamns are bad nd selfish. There are many kinds of human of course, but no, mostly they do think there are propper and good things and bad things.
There my be many types of moral or inmoral perople but there isonly one human fitra. That is the fitra which tells anybody understandable universal rules of moral, like ot killing not doing bda in exchange for good, etc. It is through perversion that people do somethig else, nnot because they think it is right but because they thik they r going to be better off doing wrong. THEY KNOW IT. Their being rogue is not their nturl state, it is their choice because they think they will be greater that way.
No there is not such a thing as anybody not drunk thinking genuinely that rape is right. You cnnot really believe that. Is it only fear of God to not rape anybody you fancy? I do ot think so, and if you did, then I would think you were rotten., shaytaic, shaytan. Yes, sgaytan, or if you did any other thing manifestly cruel or unjust. Would you think that it was right to have sombody being forced by you, writhing and terrified and that only the fear of God would prvent you from doing such a thing. Do you find that those things are really beautiful or covetable?
Tehere i no such a thing as humn being inevitable bad and only being good out of fear or obligation. Do you think your mothr took car of you or loves you out of feaar of Godd or by obligation? Would you love your kid or take care of them only because of fer of God or because being forced to it.
Would you smmile kidly to anybody becaue of fear of Go or because soebody forces you?
There is no, God forbid, the fitra of a rapist. That is not a fitr, tat is omething you hav to work for, and the fct that there may be a lot of eople working on attaining such personality does ot change the fact that that is conquered, not given as a birthright.
And omething else. Do ot orget the names of God, are many. A erso may not worshi God, but ay worship al 3dl, and that is a name of God, would anybody dare say that omeone who struggls for al 3adl is not struggling for God? If God is al 3adl then whoever gives his life for it is working in worshiping al 3adl.
Salaam
i asked proved me logically , for thief not for the victim of these crime,
i m stannding at the point of crimianl not at the point of victimm of theft or rape, as long anybody suffer , what does that affect to person who is already selfish and criminal mind, and nothing to fear regarding anyhthing here (police) and hereafter(god)
he dnt need to care about the feelings of victim as long as he get his thingie, thats what my question was,
by the way i myself consider all these things wrong not just due to the fear of God becoz perosnally i have motions inside me , but every person is not think like me, so i m standing at the point of the perosn who is selfish, criminal wicked,
now prove me logically how can you prove robbery is bad for him?
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and second more reasonable question? if there is no God exist , and he died in his life doing all the life murder robbery, rape, theft,
and untill his death he live like king, what should be the result?
even if a perosn like hitler kills millions of jews ?
punishing him one time by hang on rope or on electric chair is a justice,now there the answer come , God is watching over everything and he will call on account to everybody , this life of world is fully unfair , fully like a game and we both God and creation knows about it , thats y beleiving in hereafter matters a lot, this thing athiest never understand
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i asked proved me logically , for thief not for the victim of these crime,
i m stannding at the point of crimianl not at the point of victimm of theft or rape, as long anybody suffer , what does that affect to person who is already selfish and criminal mind, and nothing to fear regarding anyhthing here (police) and hereafter(god)
he dnt need to care about the feelings of victim as long as he get his thingie, thats what my question was,
by the way i myself consider all these things wrong not just due to the fear of God becoz perosnally i have motions inside me , but every person is not think like me, so i m standing at the point of the perosn who is selfish, criminal wicked,
now prove me logically how can you prove robbery is bad for him?
Bad for him how? I think I answered you very roperly but you do not seem to have understood.
n the other hand, don't you know of may people who believe in God or ay so, and pray and what not and ar real devils, how is it that the belief in Gd oes not prevent them from doing awful things. Tpoove to me loggiclly that wha they do is bad for thm.
Salaam
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Bad for him how? I think I answered you very roperly but you do not seem to have understood.
n the other hand, don't you know of may people who believe in God or ay so, and pray and what not and ar real devils, how is it that the belief in Gd oes not prevent them from doing awful things. Tpoove to me loggiclly that wha they do is bad for thm.
Salaam
w salam i have no concern with them i need to worry about my neck, infront of my Lord and the system what lord creates to test us what we call this worldy life,
and beleiving in God is not just by saying we beleive in God and do whatever we want to do, if we really beleive in God we must accept his commands if we will not accept we will consider as hypo and we wil dweel in innermost part of hell,
apart from alll sorry to say u failed to give the answer of my question, still waiting,
ok make it easy ,
i m a thief , prove me logically how its wrong for me, just give answer of the question thats it,?
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Morality has nothing to do with belief in God; if it did, religious societies would be more morally upright than non-religious societies. We see the exact opposite actually; the more religious a society, the more morally bankrupt, corrupt and oppressive it usually becomes. There are hardly any exceptions to this rule that I know of.
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i m a thief , prove me logically how its wrong for me, just give answer of the question thats it,?
You stilldo nnot understand what I have said, I have never offered explin what you want, I do nnot give a damn to prove to a thief why or how he is wrong.
WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT THE FITRA tell us ehat is wrong and right whether we believe that we believe in God or we don't. That fear does not make us ito good or bad, but our choice as to folow our fitr or ignore it and pervert ourselves.
Salaam
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You stilldo nnot understand what I have said, I have never offered explin what you want, I do nnot give a damn to prove to a thief why or how he is wrong.
see thats what happen when something have no answer, otherwise u would have give me answer so long, infact i m challangling all forum members to prove robbery is wrong or bad for a robber? in any sense
i think huruf give up.
WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT THE FITRA tell us ehat is wrong and right whether we believe that we believe in God or we don't. That fear does not make us ito good or bad, but our choice as to folow our fitr or ignore it and pervert ourselves.
Salaam
what u said is not the answer of my question , fitra of thief telling him to rob if he do rob its good for him thats what is in his fitrat/nature
same athiest ar eclaiming we are so good we dnt need to beleive in one God and his commandments their fitrat/nature is telling them there is no proof of god hence its proved no God exist , logically they are not doing sin.
same logically thief within himself thinks what he is doing is right and his fitrat as well.
w salam
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Peace Imran.
What do you mean by this
see thats what happen when something have no answer, otherwise u would have give me answer so long, infact i m challangling all forum members to prove robbery is wrong or bad for a robber? in any sense
Is is right for a robber? Do you want a verse from Qoran? What do you want?
I do not get what you are asking here? Qoran clearly says illicit gains/robbery is wrong, so does that not tell you it is bad to rob?
Sorry I do not get your challenge!!!
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
What do you mean by this
see thats what happen when something have no answer, otherwise u would have give me answer so long, infact i m challangling all forum members to prove robbery is wrong or bad for a robber? in any sense
Is is right for a robber? Do you want a verse from Qoran? What do you want?
I do not get what you are asking here? Qoran clearly says illicit gains/robbery is wrong, so does that not tell you it is bad to rob?
Sorry I do not get your challenge!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.no i beleive robbery is wrong , and there are lot of verses in quran, which is clear not to be dishonest in the system
the main topic here is athiesm , and people are claiming athiest should go to janna as they have no source or understanding of God,
logically they are doing good,and logically one should not beleive in god to enter paradise,
ok in simple words GL
just think for a while i m athiest and i dnt beleive in God and i m thief?
logically can somebody prove me i am doing wrong for myslef ? or is it bad for me ? or is it harmful for me?
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ok i myslef giving a first answer ,
question, logically theft is wrong can you prove?
answer, its bad for you becoz , its written in quran,
my answer, but i dnt beleive in quran,
2nd option police will catch you ? so dnt do rob
my answer , i m don i keep police in my pocket, so not harmful for me
third option rob is giving damage to people ,
my answer , i dnt care about people emotions as long am i geting facilities and luxiries with theft money
4th option, i left for you guys tell me all the drawbacks of theft , how it could be wrong for a robber
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Peace Imran.
My fault, I missed your point . I now understand why you are asking the question.
However, human laws also prevail. If society defines laws, then that law is biding.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
My fault, I missed your point . I now understand why you are asking the question.
However, human laws also prevail. If society defines laws, then that law is biding.
GOD bless you.
PeaceGod bless you too my brother,
but humans law he dnt need to worry as he know law is on his hands,
peace
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see thats what happen when something have no answer, otherwise u would have give me answer so long, infact i m challangling all forum members to prove robbery is wrong or bad for a robber? in any sense
i think huruf give up.
what u said is not the answer of my question , fitra of thief telling him to rob if he do rob its good for him thats what is in his fitrat/nature
same athiest ar eclaiming we are so good we dnt need to beleive in one God and his commandments their fitrat/nature is telling them there is no proof of god hence its proved no God exist , logically they are not doing sin.
same logically thief within himself thinks what he is doing is right and his fitrat as well.
w salam
There is no such a thing as a fitra of a thief. There is the human fitra. If you hold something eelse bring ome quote from he qur'an. Bein ga robber or a thief is a choice it is ot the fitra. You are cofusing the fitra with something else.
Wee all, human beings do have a fitra which tells us what is wrong and what is right. And you ask how it is bad for a thief to steal, you know and Iknow that anybody will get what they have earnt, but that is something else. We do not get points minus or less for knowing what we earn with this ortht but for doing what our cnscience tells us is the right thing to do and what is right or wrong is universal may be not in shapes but indeed a to the basic. We know that stabbing someody in the back just for kicks is bad, we do ot nneed any book to knnow that, nor a frevelationn. That is in our fitra Whether we ct on that knowleedge or not is our choice, but we do know it.
There is aother thing, love, the love of a mother. An sel called ahteist may love hi mother to the point of going hrough enormou sacrificee for her, that is human fira, you (I do not knnow because I don't knnnow what you are getting at) may think that sacrificing for his mother is not good for him, but who tell you that he does nnot feel more satisied with that than with not worrying about her. People are not beasts, the human fitra is not the fitr of beasts. There are of cours epople who say damnn the humann fitra and prefer (cheating on themselves) to behave like beasts.
I know you do not want meto ay that that what you want is that I answer a question which I consider unfounded, like if you asked how uch costs the square metre of urban plots on the moon? What would I say? I do not know of any urban plots in the moon.
Salaam
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sister huruf
i think good logic get my point and he understand what question i ask? but i m failed to make you understand my question i think ,
ok refer to my post 117 i make it easy for all of you guys what i ask and what answers i suppose to get as a logical person
put quran at a side for a while,God bless you
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I see what you ask, but the thing i that nnot I am going to answer that question because I see it a an unfounded question, and therefore I would give a nonsense answer, the premises for the quesstion are not there.
As to mentionning the Qur'an, I was speaking about fitra in the sense of the Qur'an. That is not quotinng the Qr'an many people are convinced of such a thing ither with that name or with other name.
Salaam