will it be possible for any other country to land on moon.

parvez_mushtaq

if it would be a hoax russia would never kep silent, i m not talking about that specific issue,

Lol , Imran
you dont know there are secret pacts going on with all the countries .on reciprocal basis Russia will ignore US mistake and the vice versa
Another good example is that , the top manufacturers of arms are non Muslims but the main buyers are Muslims . Yet Muslims are labelled terrorists .If you have time don't fail to watch the Indian movie titled "Madras cafe" .it was a movie about LTTE but i feel it is the movie about arms race .

i m talking about tecnology, why there is no moon landing by anyother country after that,

I think you did not watch that video ,Imran
The main proof is that we don't have the technology right now to dodge the magnetic radiation that was developed by earth's magnetic field once we cross 1200 miles .the maximum distance reached by human is about 400 miles and even their the astronauts felt few extraordinary changes and thus they returned .this is the main reason even after 45 years no country even tried a monkey to the moon .LOL

Not only this there are lot of unanswered questions which clearly shows US mooned their people as it mooned them once again in 9/11

imrankhawaja

With the advancement on computer and robotics I don't think it make sense to send human to the moon.
Probe and Robot are much cheaper and better explorer than a big biological earth bound animal named human.

Evan NASA has stopped sending human to the moon..
They're thinking of sending human to Mars.. purely for "political brand image" purposes..

China has stalled their "politically driven" space mission of sending Chinese to the moon.. to 2036
Again it has "political nationalistic motivation", driven by PLA (CHinese Army).. so all chinese will be proud to be chinese.. and not a scientific one..
http//www.engadget.com/2016/05/03/china-wants-to-put-a-man-on-the-moon-by-2036/

Flat earther? haha.. no need to respond anything to them rotfl rotfl
They're free to believe anything that they want... as truth stands out clear from error..

Even when they're being sent out to the ISS they will still refuse to accept that the earth is round like a ball.. due to their own pride... Admitting a fault in oneself take a lot of swallowing own pride...

peace.

i was also thinking about same thing , but there are some future manned mission coming uoo japan china and russia are planning it,

about mars human mission i was also watching a documentry in which theycan still send man to mars with frame period of 6 months but its impossible to get them back from there so it would more like a voluntry mission , which no scientist or astronat accept it, rotfl

about flat earth, rotfl dnt start it again plz ,,, i already had enough of head ache to explain them like kids, i m tired now lolxxx

even if you take them to moon voyage and show them earth shape they will say, aww from so much height earth look like round rotfl rotfl

parvez_mushtaq

One word ROI

Return Of Investment

Landing human on the moon is too expensive, risky with not so much benefit.
It's worth is only for 'political brand image'...

Other countries has successfully launched probe to land on other planets, man to space station on earth orbit, satellite on earth orbit etc.. and ehm.. none of them saw that the earth (or Mars or Venus or any other planet) is flat..

Images of Earth (and other) as captured by Indian Chandrayaan space probe.
http//www.vssc.gov.in/VSSC_V4/index.php/chandrayaan-1/82-chandrayaan-1/918-chandrayaan1-images2

Sending probe is less expensive, less risk and provide higher benefits compared to sending human..

India is now planning to send another lander on the moon, it will not be human, mission objective to seek out the presence of water on the moon.

Jafar , you must have one view ,
if it is about ROI then country like India will never send a bird to moon

imrankhawaja

Lol , Imran
you dont know there are secret pacts going on with all the countries .on reciprocal basis Russia will ignore US mistake and the vice versa
Another good example is that , the top manufacturers of arms are non Muslims but the main buyers are Muslims . Yet Muslims are labelled terrorists .If you have time don't fail to watch the Indian movie titled "Madras cafe" .it was a movie about LTTE but i feel it is the movie about arms race .I think you did not watch that video ,Imran
The main proof is that we don't have the technology right now to dodge the magnetic radiation that was developed by earth's magnetic field once we cross 1200 miles .the maximum distance reached by human is about 400 miles and even their the astronauts felt few extraordinary changes and thus they returned .this is the main reason even after 45 years no country even tried a monkey to the moon .LOL

Not only this there are lot of unanswered questions which clearly shows US mooned their people as it mooned them once again in 9/11

about madras cafe i already watch this movie of john abraham , but if you really want to see the work of arms and weapon business regarding terrorism watch body of lies, by leanordo dicaprio,

i was also point out lot of mistakes about man moon landing , i did not decide whether 1969 moon landing was hoax or not , but i m waiting for next human landing missions so untill then i have no comments on it ,

but its true not only moon , even mars is explored by machines , and its not a rocket science , space tecnology is so vast one need to understand with proper hard and tough mind thats why , lot of people dnt beleive on spaceships sattelites etc but i see satttellites with my own eyes,

about 9/11 i dnt give a dam about it, what i know that event muslims get defame for no reason. lol and america and mexcio used this tool to import heroin and drugs and some body in mexico even beat bill gates in money last two years ago .
9 /11 was far above from our thinking may be not not only america everyboody else was involved,

Jafar

i was also point out lot of mistakes about man moon landing , i did not decide whether 1969 moon landing was hoax or not , but i m waiting for next human landing missions so untill then i have no comments on it ,

Moon landing was hoax.. because the moon was already spited into two halves by prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)..

A good argument for Saudi Arabia (and/or Pakistan) to start their lunar mission.
Objective Finding a concrete evidence that the moon was indeed splited into two halves by our glorious prophet..

HP_TECH

sura rehman did not say like that, sura rehman say,

the assembly of jinns and humankind , you are not powerful enough to cross the edges of heaves and earth as well , but with might or permmission of your lord,

Imran lend me your ears. You have completely paraphrased the verse and misinterpreted many words indeed.
I will demonstrate here inshallah

Surah ArRahman Ayaat 33 or 5533

Ya maAAshara aljinni waal-insi ini istataAAtum an tanfuthoo min aqtari alssamawati waal-ardi faonfuthoo la tanfuthoona illa bisultanin

O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority

In more depth lets look at the morphology, grammar, etc

(55331)
ymashara
O assembly VOC ? prefixed vocative particle ya
N ? nominative noun

(55332)
l-jini
(of) the jinn N ? genitive masculine noun Jinn

(55333)
wal-insi
and the men! CONJ ? prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N ? genitive masculine noun

(55334)
ini
If COND ? conditional particle

(55335)
is'taatum
you are able V ? 2nd person masculine plural (form X) perfect verb
PRON ? subject pronoun

(55336)
an
to SUB ? subordinating conjunction

(55337)
tanfudh
pass beyond V ? 2nd person masculine plural imperfect verb, subjunctive mood
PRON ? subject pronoun

(5533
min
P ? preposition

(55339)
aqri
(the) regions N ? genitive masculine plural noun

(553310)
l-samwti
(of) the heavens N ? genitive feminine plural noun

(553311)
wal-ari
and the earth, CONJ ? prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N ? genitive feminine noun Earth

(553312)
fa-unfudh
then pass. REM ? prefixed resumption particle
V ? 2nd person masculine plural imperative verb
PRON ? subject pronoun

(553313)
l
Not NEG ? negative particle

(553314)
tanfudhna
you (can) pass V ? 2nd person masculine plural imperfect verb
PRON ? subject pronoun

(553315)
ill
except RES ? restriction particle

(553316)
bisul'nin
by authority. P ? prefixed preposition bi
N ? genitive masculine indefinite noun

Sultan does not mean permission it translates to power or authority which is a trait of the malaika not humans nor jinns
In addition there are countless of ayaats describing the sky as a roof filled with guards = stars.

One of the many examples 728 Surah Al-Jinn

And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.

So you see it is not possible for man or jinn to beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth. That authority to go beyond is given to malaika

imrankhawaja

Edip-Layth (Quran A Reformist Translation)
5533 O tribes of Jinn and humans, if you can penetrate the diameters of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without authority.

The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
5533 O assembly of Jinn and mankind, if you can penetrate the boundaries of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without might.

Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
5533 O you who live in close communion with invisible beings and humans!15 If you can pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, pass beyond them!16 you cannot pass beyond them, save by a sanction !17

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
5533 O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization.,

@ hp _tech

ok forget about the heavens , heavens is out of calculation, whts about the earth, do u still think that the earth is not explored,

if you think that earth is not explore yet, then its a clear contradiction in quran,

on the other hand authority /approval is always by God not a leaf moves untill the authority of God, the fligh of birds is due to the authority of God, i cant recall the verse, Allah is giving us a clear hint to explore the authority ,

something like that, its Allah who hold the flight of bird. nothing can hold them apart from Allah.

for human being he dnt have ability to fly or to travel in land apart from authoriy
authority can be( approval, the understanidng of natural laws, authroization by armies to pass beyond, the authorites of atmoshphere that govverns the gravity and make equipment that works on anti gravity and lot of more authorities provided to us by God)

your thinking and understanding is stuck in 7th century tecnology , but this quran is timeless, and the interpretation and understanding of quran getting better and better with time, one need to understand where does quran fit in it relevant to the era in which he/she living,

question from you, what are the regions of earth according to your understanding,

and one more thing

That authority to go beyond is given to malaika

malika also have limits no creation can pass from some specific point, lote tree (ultimate point) not even angels.

peace
God bless you.

imrankhawaja

Moon landing was hoax.. because the moon was already spited into two halves by prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)..

rotfl
there is no such historical evidenc exist, and prophet muhammad never claim any miracle, opposite to it people was asking him throughout his life to show the miracles what jesus or moses did,

A good argument for Saudi Arabia (and/or Pakistan) to start their lunar mission.
Objective Finding a concrete evidence that the moon was indeed splited into two halves by our glorious prophet..

may be in next 200 years they are able to make rocket that cross the low earth gravity of earth yes

i heard in some tales the one end of moon was on the left hand side of mountain and other was on right ,

if it would happen there then very uncles of prophet never reject quran and message and prophet ,

HP_TECH

@ hp _tech

ok forget about the heavens , heavens is out of calculation, whts about the earth, do u still think that the earth is not explored,

if you think that earth is not explore yet, then its a clear contradiction in quran,

??? I never said or conveyed such an idea.].
In fact Our Lord says in 5036
And how many We destroyed before them of a generation, they (were) stronger than them (in) power. so they explored throughout the lands. Is (there) any place of escape?

My case is that no matter where you travel on the earth you cannot escape, you cannot travel in any direction on this earth, whether south, north , east or west and suddenly find yourself outside of the earth. We are in confinement. There is no escape just as Allah says in 5036.
Question for you Imran, Do you deny this statement of your Lord?

on the other hand authority /approval is always by God not a leaf moves untill the authority of God, the fligh of birds is due to the authority of God, i cant recall the verse, Allah is giving us a clear hint to explore the authority ,

something like that, its Allah who hold the flight of bird. nothing can hold them apart from Allah.

You are confusing Authority sultan with Permission the noun idh'n (&#1606.
The term used in 5533 is Authority for a reason.

Why do you want to forget about the heavens the sky the roof is part of the confinement which is a structure filled with guards as described everywhere in Quran.

Please revisit this surah of your Lord with humility and seeking His Guidance. Look at the following ayaat Imran 5535

5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?

He has sent the Quran in truth Imran He knows what is in your breast, what mental gymnastics and twisting of words and misinterpretation will you give into to deny the favors of your Lord?

Or will you perhaps for this once give thought to the voice of those endowed with knowledge from Allah?

your thinking and understanding is stuck in 7th century tecnology , but this quran is timeless, and the interpretation and understanding of quran getting better and better with time, one need to understand where does quran fit in it relevant to the era in which he/she living,

When did I mention anything about technology ??? ??
I am not stuck. I move where Allah directs his servant

question from you, what are the regions of earth according to your understanding,

The land we are on and the seas that surround = i.e. the plane/plain/expanse we dwell on. Look at 5036 again.

parvez_mushtaq

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5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
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that was very point point HP_T
i did not noticed that verse ,but i dont whether it is regarding the verse 33 or 37 or both
Verse 55.37

And when the heaven is split open and becomes rose-colored like oil -

watch this video(click) at least for 10 mins and you will wonder about the mention of the verse 55.35.i think this is mention at 9.20th minute

imrankhawaja

??? I never said or conveyed such an idea.].
In fact Our Lord says in 5036
And how many We destroyed before them of a generation, they (were) stronger than them (in) power. so they explored throughout the lands. Is (there) any place of escape?

My case is that no matter where you travel on the earth you cannot escape, you cannot travel in any direction on this earth, whether south, north , east or west and suddenly find yourself outside of the earth. We are in confinement. There is no escape just as Allah says in 5036.
Question for you Imran, Do you deny this statement of your Lord?

You are confusing Authority sultan with Permission the noun idh'n (&#1606.
The term used in 5533 is Authority for a reason.

Why do you want to forget about the heavens the sky the roof is part of the confinement which is a structure filled with guards as described everywhere in Quran.

Please revisit this surah of your Lord with humility and seeking His Guidance. Look at the following ayaat Imran 5535

5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?

He has sent the Quran in truth Imran He knows what is in your breast, what mental gymnastics and twisting of words and misinterpretation will you give into to deny the favors of your Lord?

Or will you perhaps for this once give thought to the voice of those endowed with knowledge from Allah?
When did I mention anything about technology ??? ??
I am not stuck. I move where Allah directs his servant
The land we are on and the seas that surround = i.e. the plane/plain/expanse we dwell on. Look at 5036 again.

now i understand why they ban you, anyways i think i already cleared from my part , its you who misrepresent and misinterpret the meanings of that verse, by claiming humans cannot pass beyong the regions of heavens or earth but forget to look what verse is saying further ,

what i understand your mind is still stuck in flat earth theory and you are all alone now, like a prisoner in jail rotfl

thats what happen when you try to mislead the people through quran,

finally did you check my post i was not expecting you to bring quran inside the thread go check my first post of this thread may b it will help you what was the discussion about, and flat earth is bad dream for you , i still wonder u have some trailors of this dream, start a new thread on flat earth if you still ask some answers from other forum members,

peace.

imrankhawaja

@pervaiz,

do you also beleive earth is flat, lol just a question?

unknownuser

now i understand why they ban you, anyways i think i already cleared from my part , its you who misrepresent and misinterpret the meanings of that verse, by claiming humans cannot pass beyong the regions of heavens or earth but forget to look what verse is saying further ,

what i understand your mind is still stuck in flat earth theory and you are all alone now, like a prisoner in jail rotfl

Bordering on being personal. Let's stick to the topic shall we?

imrankhawaja

Bordering on being personal. Let's stick to the topic shall we?

i always wanted to stick on topic but some people cant , see this

Imran lend me your ears.

unlike many others in this forum who pretend they follow Quran but follow their own desires previous posts of this thread. is it not a blame not only in me but everybody else so i just showing people another part of coin.

on my first post i already requested him not to bring off topic theories like flat earth or wrong understanding of sura rehman, but he didnt listen.

peace.

parvez_mushtaq

@pervaiz,

do you also beleive earth is flat, lol just a question?

Imran , i strongly suggest you to read the posts carefully and than following the links and watch the videos and then answer the post

Timotheus

I don't think we should be speculating about such things when we really do not know.

Only God knows the future, personally I have allot more important things to worry about then Moon landings, I think we all do and that is what we should focus on

Peace

imrankhawaja

Imran , i strongly suggest you to read the posts carefully and than following the links and watch the videos and then answer the post

i m watching thhese type of videos from last five years , not only this allot more other i also see, i can understand there is something fishy about fisrt moon landing ,

it could be for planety of reaosns,
tecnology,
secret agends
they are hiding something,
blue prints are also not originals,
aliens invasions.

or a hoax

anything thats why i m saying lets wait untill next moon landing ,

but its sure the unmanned misssions are achieved by us.

about man landing i still have some questions , but the point is this, it could b very easy to really land on moon istead oof covering up sucha scietific and senstive topic specially when all the world having eyes on you, hundreds of empployees.
hundred of space agencies, they cant keep silent,

bt nasa never give full answers and they are not interesting in it, becoz simply they dnt wwant to tell anybody what tecnology they have,

but whatever the points conspiracy theorist claim ,science have ann answer for this ,

lostINtheWORLD

?The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer.? (541)

From the prophecy in verse 541 in the Quran to the end of the Quran, there are 1389 verses. Remarkably, the year 1389 in the Islamic calendar is equivalent to the year 1969 which is the year that the first man landed on the Moon!

The Qur'an final claim the Mankind have been in the Moon.

lostINtheWORLD

malika also have limits no creation can pass from some specific point, lote tree (ultimate point) not even angels.

This lote tree it is the Qur'an? because if you don't believe in the Miraj I don't understand why you believe, thus, in the lote tree.

lostINtheWORLD

Please revisit this surah of your Lord with humility and seeking His Guidance. Look at the following ayaat Imran 5535

5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?

The space is the first . I understand, thus, Allah is talking about the 7th or beyond.

However, the Heavens does not necessarily means Heavens superposed one over the other. They can be also differents space-time/dimension.