will it be possible for any other country to land on moon.

HP_TECH

@ hp _tech

ok forget about the heavens , heavens is out of calculation, whts about the earth, do u still think that the earth is not explored,

if you think that earth is not explore yet, then its a clear contradiction in quran,

??? I never said or conveyed such an idea.].
In fact Our Lord says in 5036
And how many We destroyed before them of a generation, they (were) stronger than them (in) power. so they explored throughout the lands. Is (there) any place of escape?

My case is that no matter where you travel on the earth you cannot escape, you cannot travel in any direction on this earth, whether south, north , east or west and suddenly find yourself outside of the earth. We are in confinement. There is no escape just as Allah says in 5036.
Question for you Imran, Do you deny this statement of your Lord?

on the other hand authority /approval is always by God not a leaf moves untill the authority of God, the fligh of birds is due to the authority of God, i cant recall the verse, Allah is giving us a clear hint to explore the authority ,

something like that, its Allah who hold the flight of bird. nothing can hold them apart from Allah.

You are confusing Authority sultan with Permission the noun idh'n (&#1606.
The term used in 5533 is Authority for a reason.

Why do you want to forget about the heavens the sky the roof is part of the confinement which is a structure filled with guards as described everywhere in Quran.

Please revisit this surah of your Lord with humility and seeking His Guidance. Look at the following ayaat Imran 5535

5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?

He has sent the Quran in truth Imran He knows what is in your breast, what mental gymnastics and twisting of words and misinterpretation will you give into to deny the favors of your Lord?

Or will you perhaps for this once give thought to the voice of those endowed with knowledge from Allah?

your thinking and understanding is stuck in 7th century tecnology , but this quran is timeless, and the interpretation and understanding of quran getting better and better with time, one need to understand where does quran fit in it relevant to the era in which he/she living,

When did I mention anything about technology ??? ??
I am not stuck. I move where Allah directs his servant

question from you, what are the regions of earth according to your understanding,

The land we are on and the seas that surround = i.e. the plane/plain/expanse we dwell on. Look at 5036 again.

parvez_mushtaq

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5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
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that was very point point HP_T
i did not noticed that verse ,but i dont whether it is regarding the verse 33 or 37 or both
Verse 55.37

And when the heaven is split open and becomes rose-colored like oil -

watch this video(click) at least for 10 mins and you will wonder about the mention of the verse 55.35.i think this is mention at 9.20th minute

imrankhawaja

??? I never said or conveyed such an idea.].
In fact Our Lord says in 5036
And how many We destroyed before them of a generation, they (were) stronger than them (in) power. so they explored throughout the lands. Is (there) any place of escape?

My case is that no matter where you travel on the earth you cannot escape, you cannot travel in any direction on this earth, whether south, north , east or west and suddenly find yourself outside of the earth. We are in confinement. There is no escape just as Allah says in 5036.
Question for you Imran, Do you deny this statement of your Lord?

You are confusing Authority sultan with Permission the noun idh'n (&#1606.
The term used in 5533 is Authority for a reason.

Why do you want to forget about the heavens the sky the roof is part of the confinement which is a structure filled with guards as described everywhere in Quran.

Please revisit this surah of your Lord with humility and seeking His Guidance. Look at the following ayaat Imran 5535

5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?

He has sent the Quran in truth Imran He knows what is in your breast, what mental gymnastics and twisting of words and misinterpretation will you give into to deny the favors of your Lord?

Or will you perhaps for this once give thought to the voice of those endowed with knowledge from Allah?
When did I mention anything about technology ??? ??
I am not stuck. I move where Allah directs his servant
The land we are on and the seas that surround = i.e. the plane/plain/expanse we dwell on. Look at 5036 again.

now i understand why they ban you, anyways i think i already cleared from my part , its you who misrepresent and misinterpret the meanings of that verse, by claiming humans cannot pass beyong the regions of heavens or earth but forget to look what verse is saying further ,

what i understand your mind is still stuck in flat earth theory and you are all alone now, like a prisoner in jail rotfl

thats what happen when you try to mislead the people through quran,

finally did you check my post i was not expecting you to bring quran inside the thread go check my first post of this thread may b it will help you what was the discussion about, and flat earth is bad dream for you , i still wonder u have some trailors of this dream, start a new thread on flat earth if you still ask some answers from other forum members,

peace.

imrankhawaja

@pervaiz,

do you also beleive earth is flat, lol just a question?

unknownuser

now i understand why they ban you, anyways i think i already cleared from my part , its you who misrepresent and misinterpret the meanings of that verse, by claiming humans cannot pass beyong the regions of heavens or earth but forget to look what verse is saying further ,

what i understand your mind is still stuck in flat earth theory and you are all alone now, like a prisoner in jail rotfl

Bordering on being personal. Let's stick to the topic shall we?

imrankhawaja

Bordering on being personal. Let's stick to the topic shall we?

i always wanted to stick on topic but some people cant , see this

Imran lend me your ears.

unlike many others in this forum who pretend they follow Quran but follow their own desires previous posts of this thread. is it not a blame not only in me but everybody else so i just showing people another part of coin.

on my first post i already requested him not to bring off topic theories like flat earth or wrong understanding of sura rehman, but he didnt listen.

peace.

parvez_mushtaq

@pervaiz,

do you also beleive earth is flat, lol just a question?

Imran , i strongly suggest you to read the posts carefully and than following the links and watch the videos and then answer the post

Timotheus

I don't think we should be speculating about such things when we really do not know.

Only God knows the future, personally I have allot more important things to worry about then Moon landings, I think we all do and that is what we should focus on

Peace

imrankhawaja

Imran , i strongly suggest you to read the posts carefully and than following the links and watch the videos and then answer the post

i m watching thhese type of videos from last five years , not only this allot more other i also see, i can understand there is something fishy about fisrt moon landing ,

it could be for planety of reaosns,
tecnology,
secret agends
they are hiding something,
blue prints are also not originals,
aliens invasions.

or a hoax

anything thats why i m saying lets wait untill next moon landing ,

but its sure the unmanned misssions are achieved by us.

about man landing i still have some questions , but the point is this, it could b very easy to really land on moon istead oof covering up sucha scietific and senstive topic specially when all the world having eyes on you, hundreds of empployees.
hundred of space agencies, they cant keep silent,

bt nasa never give full answers and they are not interesting in it, becoz simply they dnt wwant to tell anybody what tecnology they have,

but whatever the points conspiracy theorist claim ,science have ann answer for this ,

lostINtheWORLD

?The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer.? (541)

From the prophecy in verse 541 in the Quran to the end of the Quran, there are 1389 verses. Remarkably, the year 1389 in the Islamic calendar is equivalent to the year 1969 which is the year that the first man landed on the Moon!

The Qur'an final claim the Mankind have been in the Moon.

lostINtheWORLD

malika also have limits no creation can pass from some specific point, lote tree (ultimate point) not even angels.

This lote tree it is the Qur'an? because if you don't believe in the Miraj I don't understand why you believe, thus, in the lote tree.

lostINtheWORLD

Please revisit this surah of your Lord with humility and seeking His Guidance. Look at the following ayaat Imran 5535

5533 O assembly (of) the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass beyond (the) regions (of) the heavens and the earth, then pass. Not you (can) pass except by authority.
5534 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?
5535 Will be sent against both of you a flame of fire and smoke, and not you will (be able to) defend yourselves.
5536 So which (of the) favors (of) your Lord will you both deny?

The space is the first . I understand, thus, Allah is talking about the 7th or beyond.

However, the Heavens does not necessarily means Heavens superposed one over the other. They can be also differents space-time/dimension.

imrankhawaja

?The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer.? (541)

From the prophecy in verse 541 in the Quran to the end of the Quran, there are 1389 verses. Remarkably, the year 1389 in the Islamic calendar is equivalent to the year 1969 which is the year that the first man landed on the Moon!

The Qur'an final claim the Mankind have been in the Moon.

this full chapter talking about the future prophecy of judgement day. according to the subject matter .

peace. go through full verses after that you will able to understand inshAllah.

peace.

imrankhawaja

This lote tree it is the Qur'an? because if you don't believe in the Miraj I don't understand why you believe, thus, in the lote tree.

i beleive in the event or experience what muhammad had in night journey. bodily or spirtually dosent matter , but he saw what he saw. he saw him near eternal paradise . is it not enough to understand he was out of the earthly dimenshns.

i dnt beleive in traditional stories regarding this event but this event in the light of quran exist .
peace ,

parvez_mushtaq

?The moon has split and the hour has drawn closer.? (541)

From the prophecy in verse 541 in the Quran to the end of the Quran, there are 1389 verses. Remarkably, the year 1389 in the Islamic calendar is equivalent to the year 1969 which is the year that the first man landed on the Moon!

The Qur'an final claim the Mankind have been in the Moon.

I am really sorry , LITW ,i cannot stop myself rotfl
America mooned us with moon landing ,in other words moon landing was the first among the two greatest lies ever told to mankind by US and you are giving a quranic evidence for a hoax moon landing ,lol
As on today no human can cross 400 miles above the earth the reason is we don't have technology even today to go beyond 400 miles

lostINtheWORLD

this full chapter talking about the future prophecy of judgement day. according to the subject matter .

peace. go through full verses after that you will able to understand inshAllah.

peace.

Salam;

Not really simply we are in the End Times.

lostINtheWORLD

i beleive in the event or experience what muhammad had in night journey. bodily or spirtually dosent matter , but he saw what he saw. he saw him near eternal paradise . is it not enough to understand he was out of the earthly dimenshns.

i dnt beleive in traditional stories regarding this event but this event in the light of quran exist .
peace ,

But this tree it is mentioned in the Qur'an? Right now I don't remember having read it.

lostINtheWORLD

I am really sorry , LITW ,i cannot stop myself rotfl
America mooned us with moon landing ,in other words moon landing was the first among the two greatest lies ever told to mankind by US and you are giving a quranic evidence for a hoax moon landing ,lol
As on today no human can cross 400 miles above the earth the reason is we don't have technology even today to go beyond 400 miles

Tell me why you don't believe in this prophecy.

Because I think this is a great signal. Allah seal the Qur'an with this kind of signs.

If you don't believe it, so why would you believe in the Quranic veracity? It is your blind faith?

Timotheus

But this tree it is mentioned in the Qur'an? Right now I don't remember having read it.

1760 We had said to you "Your Lord has encompassed the people." We did not make the vision that We showed you except as a test for the people, and the tree that was cursed in the Quran. We alert them, but it only increases their transgression.

surah 53 The star/ al-najm talks of 'the lote tree at the utmost boundry beyong which none may pass'

and there is mention that the 'tree of zacumm, will be food for the sinfull' somewhere i cant recall.

i have never realy looked into it however as god says it is a test and it is certainly one of those ambiguous verses without any obvious (to me at least) interpretation

lostINtheWORLD

1760 We had said to you "Your Lord has encompassed the people." We did not make the vision that We showed you except as a test for the people, and the tree that was cursed in the Quran. We alert them, but it only increases their transgression.

surah 53 The star/ al-najm talks of 'the lote tree at the utmost boundry beyong which none may pass'

and there is mention that the 'tree of zacumm, will be food for the sinfull' somewhere i cant recall.

i have never realy looked into it however as god says it is a test and it is certainly one of those ambiguous verses without any obvious (to me at least) interpretation

What do you think about the 1969 numerical miracle ? My beloved Salaf... Sunn... Truth seek... well, this guy seems to believe that both the 1389 verses after 541 and 1969 Moon landing are fraud.