drugs and the religion
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Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim
So I thought about prophet miss and said "at some point in his journey through the deserts he had consumed lsd".
He saw a burning Bush.
It looked like it was on fire but did not burn.
ALLAH spoke to him.
The bible speaks a lot about visions and his running away from his people to get back to ALLAH is escapism.Consider what would make Moses see that?
How could it really be there?
Is it any less a miracle?
Consider how many religions may have a drug induced spirit quest and Moses and Jacob and Abraham were the first religious guys.Consider the science of psychokinetics.
How chemical even our everyday chemical alter our lives like caffine nicotine pot, and the microdosing of alcohol.
A little vanilla extract or some shampoo rubbed into your hair or deodorant, or femine wash right in the .... Well it gets to your blood stream without being processed.Alcohol like all psychoactive chemicals ....drugs make your minds behave differently some speed up time hours become seconds others slow down time your stuck on salvia for 15 mins and feel as though your dead watching your friends live life then you return to your body....it's flushes through your blood stream and processed into waste then your mind is back to "normal".
Microdosing is usually accidental like alcohol being found in vinegar. A few particles like with poisons are all you need to have a strange thought or think you saw something maybe to produce fats like hormones or get a negative additude.
Some are more potent poisons like lsd or cocaine but they act on your mind until it's processed into waste also your poop is Brown because it's covered in dead blood cells gaining it's color from iron. Iron oxide rust.I've been reading these biology books for dummies and yeah I've taken my fair share of hallucinogen.
I took dxm for a while and I later learned it was the bitter hisbus plant that had the Dextromorphan. "I think Moses has been eating too much bitter his bus again"
Which may have been a common insult because of his speech and his wanting to be away from every it's a dissassociative psychoactive compound (bunch of atoms)Consider how refreshing water is when you need it or how health meat is when you lost a lot of energy. It's not just how it is i's because your body is taking parts and pieces from these things and adding it to your blood stream what makes you feel good is somewhat health but even to much water can lead to water poisoning.
Does anyone agree that drugs play a part in The stories of prophets?
Each society has it's cup of tea south Americans cocaine Tibetans crazy honey from the cliffs Africa coffee and only the ingrates the north Americans and europeans something as full and forbidden as alcohol. Caffine also seems global like pot once was until the ban
Consider that everything is together because of hydrogen bonds like water and the carbons that make up our bodies.
Take a science 10mins and check out strange chemical reactions on YouTube or something maybe you'll like studying science also don't forget alchemy and chemistry are not simply English words and their is even a while religion based in chemicals .....all religions some are organic and others are not.Let is discuss this since science proves religion also your life blood the blood in your body is alive and your life like with halal slaughter remove the life blood with a peaceful slow drainage letting the heart pump the life of the cattle out and the creature.....I have to study more on how it could chemically return to it's Lord gases then the gases somehow would explode producing light which travells on and one through space.... Yet martyrs enjoy a swift return according to ALLAH in the Quran.
Light travels best through space through the seven heavens. Of you are a sinner your sin is in your blood stream because predator animals can tell your emotions by smelling your blood... A chemical from your brain is being turned into waste and forced our your pores.
I believe in ALLAH and all the holy books because chemically energy is never lost it just goes on in the purer form of light. Through space.Also the Quran speaks of garden's which rivers flow beneath is this inconnection with blood and it's use in gardening or ability to mix with water? Is the ground your martyred on like a "Brita" water filter? All life is created from water maybe the scale of our deeds is "ph" of the water we leave and the water we are.
Science even explains the here after water is stops and goes like us.
We will be raised up on a day of judgement and how much water is underground? Can the earth be destroyed while a single believer is present? Is water ever lost from our planet like with hydrogen and oxygen even separated into it's original atoms without the bond?Also the chemicals.in our brains organic ones we produce like the chemical for guilt or the atoms that make the fats or proteins (most likely fats fats are good at storing things) that hold our memories which like all data is a light image burned on to something.
Any input?
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Don not take drugs, what is wrong with you and the prophets did not take drugs
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I think it's clear from the Quran that the prophets were upright characters not drug taking hippies. I can't remember the specific verses but if I recall correctly the Quran says I.e the prophet is not a mad man and he was not making it up, that he saw a truthful vision, or something along those lines.
Having been a drug addict/ abuser much of my life since adolescence I have come to understand there is a vast difference between drug induced hallucinations and divine inspiration.
And what certain people including myself in the past might believe to be divine inspiration is in fact just delusion, and easily realised by the inconsistency and logical flaws of what people on drugs claim as visions of divine inspiration etc.
I would seriously consider your view and see if it compatible with the ultimate criterion, the Quran. If you hope to be admitted into God's mercy in this life and the next.
We don't have to guess or speculate, we have the facts. God speaks the truth. And he knows while we do not.
Peace
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I think it's clear from the Quran that the prophets were upright characters not drug taking hippies. I can't remember the specific verses but if I recall correctly the Quran says I.e the prophet is not a mad man and he was not making it up, that he saw a truthful vision, or something along those lines.
7184, 682 are a few.
Having been a drug addict/ abuser much of my life since adolescence I have come to understand there is a vast difference between drug induced hallucinations and divine inspiration.
And what certain people including myself in the past might believe to be divine inspiration is in fact just delusion, and easily realised by the inconsistency and logical flaws of what people on drugs claim as visions of divine inspiration etc.
If you're willing, can you elaborate more on your personal experience? I'm curious to know more about what you perceive as the difference.
Peace.
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Having been a drug addict/ abuser much of my life since adolescence I have come to understand there is a vast difference between drug induced hallucinations and divine inspiration.
I hope this isn't off-topic Timo, do you forget your picture it still be there? Who know who are seeing your profil right now and telling to others?
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drugs , sometimes make life hell, still its very hard to get rid of any drug, its more than a curse , take away everything from you . but again the difference you feel after doing any type of sin or consuming drug is totally understadable,
if u do sex, rob ,lie, disrespect, arrogance, something stuck inside you and stop you of doing it,
in the case of drugs it never happen , consumer use it as a food/fuel. and never think he is doin anything wrong.what is this all behind it,
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I hope this isn't off-topic Timo, do you forget your picture it still be there? Who know who are seeing your profil right now and telling to others?
Peace
No I do not forget, I just do not really care what other people say or think about me.
At the end of the day they are not the ones judging me or anyone else on the day of resurrection.
I am very open and honest as much as I can be of my past and my experiences. If anyone else can learn from them than I am more than willing to share. We can't hide who we are from God. Why should we even be remotely concerned by hiding who we are from others. As my past is a significant part of how I came to be where I am.
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I think it's clear from the Quran that the prophets were upright characters not drug taking hippies. I can't remember the specific verses but if I recall correctly the Quran says I.e the prophet is not a mad man and he was not making it up, that he saw a truthful vision, or something along those lines.
Having been a drug addict/ abuser much of my life since adolescence I have come to understand there is a vast difference between drug induced hallucinations and divine inspiration.
And what certain people including myself in the past might believe to be divine inspiration is in fact just delusion, and easily realised by the inconsistency and logical flaws of what people on drugs claim as visions of divine inspiration etc.
I would seriously consider your view and see if it compatible with the ultimate criterion, the Quran. If you hope to be admitted into God's mercy in this life and the next.
We don't have to guess or speculate, we have the facts. God speaks the truth. And he knows while we do not.
Peace
But your still dealing with matter effecting outlook.
Your brain is creating chemicals to change your emotion. -
We are all compounds your eyes just don't see because that's what they do they are made of little things that compose them. You don't just hear.
We are like a trip to the plant. To put it in a hippies way of speaking.What causes us to see? We have a telescope like design if reflective tissue. They gadget than what it's made of. What about sense of touch like water we react to touch.
Can you make a human body? Yeah but the chemicals in the brain are what causes processes it's not like silcon on a motherboard.
When Moses sees a vision what chemically and mechanically allows him to see what he saw? Was it truly there are were remembered he chemicals simply there to tell him that?
Everything even hell and heaven have to physically exist or it's not true.A vision is what a play on. The eyes?
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But your still dealing with matter effecting outlook.
Your brain is creating chemicals to change your emotion.Yes God has created wonderfully complex and interconnected beings.
However this is irrelevant because messengers are only passing on the message from God and it's clear from the Quran that Muhammad did that job and completed it. Once again I find myself asking why are we focusing on the human beings when we should be focusing on god and his message he is fully capable of preserving and conveying, regardless of the media of delivery. -
We are all compounds your eyes just don't see because that's what they do they are made of little things that compose them. You don't just hear.
We are like a trip to the plant. To put it in a hippies way of speaking.What causes us to see? We have a telescope like design if reflective tissue. They gadget than what it's made of. What about sense of touch like water we react to touch.
Can you make a human body? Yeah but the chemicals in the brain are what causes processes it's not like silcon on a motherboard.
When Moses sees a vision what chemically and mechanically allows him to see what he saw? Was it truly there are were remembered he chemicals simply there to tell him that?
Everything even hell and heaven have to physically exist or it's not true.A vision is what a play on. The eyes?
God knows while we do not know.
Who do you put your trust in, your very limited knowledge of science, where the study of the brain is still very new, or one who is all knowing and wise. I know who I choose.
The one who is all knowing and wise. Because "above every knowledgeable one is one who is all knowing"
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My story in its entirety would probably fill up a library but if you are curious as to something specific and relevant that would be easy enough
Brother, you do not have to tell nobody about these things, people want to know too much. I think we better talk about Islamic issues and not drugs.
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The science is very new but in history when something supernatural occurs it is always some chemicals acting on people like the Salem witch trials it was lsd causing those girls to feel like they were flying.
The science is very new but the events can be very old. Like a cold being called a spiritual thing we wonder about the source of things and we have to realize people eat a lot of psychoactive chemicals on accident this is just a part of our trial in this life.
Question if you had a vision that inspired you to ignore the world and take a path to your Lord would you follow it?
Consider yeast turns sugars into alcohol so a sandwich is a microdose
Microdoses effect.your mind first then your body.
Also would you find any part of it "holy" ?
I believe this has been happening since the dawn of time even hunger can cause you to trip out a bit. I just think these psychoactive trips are a part of the story.
Like the why did he have a vision it was ALLAH's will so ALLAH willed he would micro dose on some strange berries it seeds finding no food in the desert.
I am saying ingesting certian plants causes one to have a dream.
We are like robots made of protein sugars and water, ALLAH created is to be tried by even chemicals. How about of these prophets analyzed there food each day leaving with us a journal of there diet? -
Everything even hell and heaven have to physically exist or it's not true.
Not necessarily. There is a state of being which has no physical body. Heaven is such condition and one has no attached body therein.
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Brother, you do not have to tell nobody about these things, people want to know too much. I think we better talk about Islamic issues and not drugs.
peace, yes indeed, hence me saying 'anything relevant'. but you are right, and the criterion for truth v falsehood is all in the quran, thank God
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Not necessarily. There is a state of being which has no physical body. Heaven is such condition and one has no attached body therein.
Hey Mof
But some "thing" goes to these places or experiences these state's our blood makes us feel and live it flows through our bodies. What part of us as bodies and the spirit and the soul thing are what I think are simply waves like colors or uv rays or even radio or wifi they would be a form of wave energy reaching out for other waves light knowledge that thing it simply has to be there or all religion is fake.
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Also Tim
The thing is that these chemicals in our blood stream makes the body feel and experience that was kinda the post center what makes these men feel in a dream or reality?
We know it's water. We know it's earth. We know it's blood and bone and skin.
But what could have effected these things for a once only vision?
I believe it's chemical it always has to be we are nothing but these things.
Also if the brain gets damages then the soul changes? Or spirit changes?
Is their really a soul or spirit or is it simply calculation of choices made giving a probability of choice outcomes.That old fashion religion touched with some sciences really make religion a bit grimmer even to a atheistbut things get more plain