ALL GODS ONE GOD
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He made all gods one god. (38.5)
• S', and the Quran that contains the remembrance. Indeed, those who have disbelieved are in false pride and defiance.How many a generation have We destroyed before them. And they called out when it was far too late. And they were surprised that a warner (Muhammad) has come to them from among themselves. And the rejecters said "This is a magician, a liar." "HAS HE (MUHAMMAD) MADE ALL GODS ONE GOD THIS IS INDEED A STRANGE THING!" And the leaders among them went out "Walk away, and remain patient to your gods. This thing can be turned back." "We never heard of this from the people before us. This is but an innovation." "Has the remembrance been sent down to him, from between all of us!" Indeed, they are doubtful of My reminder. Indeed, they have not yet tasted My retribution. (35.1-
We are the manifestation of GOD...
• When I have fully formed him and breathed into him of My Spirit , fall down and prostrate before him !" Then the angels prostrated themselves, all of them . (1529-30)
Our GOD is SPIRITUAL LOGIC, REAL SELF.
• It is those who have FAITH , and do not mix TRUE PREMISES with FALSE PREMISES , they will be secure, and it is they who are rightly guided. This is the REASONING We gave to Abraham. (6.82-83)
AND truth has no religion.
• Those who divide their way of life and become schism (religism), you are not with them in anything. (6.159)
• Whoever follows other than surrender (to no religion and slavery) as a system, it will not be accepted from him. (3.85)
• Say "O you who are Jewish (or Christians, or Muslims etc), if you claim that you are God's chosen, to the exclusion of all other people, then you should long for death if you are truthful!" (62.6)
• As for those who ignore God and His Messenger by trying to make a distinction between them, saying, "We believe in the one (truth), but we deny the other (truth)," and want to pursue a path in-between (through religions and denominations etc), it is they who are truly unbelievers. (4150-151)
GOOD is ONE.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. ~Steven Weinberg
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The Perfect Man as the manifestation of the Divine
Adam is the astrolabe of the attributes of Divine Sublimity,
the nature of Adam is the theatre for His revelations.Since in eternity it was the will and decree of God, the Forgiver,
to reveal and manifest Himself.This involves opposition, for nothing can be shown without an opposite,
and there was no opposite to that incomparable King.Therefore He made a viceroy, one having a heart,
in order that he might be a mirror for His sovereignty.So he endowed him with infinite purity (spiritual light),
and then set up an opposite against him in the form of darkness.Know that the world of created beings is like pure and limpid water
in which the attributes of the Almighty are shining.Their knowledge, their justice and their clemency are like a star of heaven
reflected in running water.Kings are the theatre for the manifestation of God?s kingship,
the Wise are the mirrors for God?s wisdom.The beautiful are the mirror of His beauty,
love for them is the reflection of the desire of which He is the real object.This cheek and mole go back to their Source,
how should a phantom stay in the water forever?The whole sum of pictured forms (phenomena)
is mere reflection in the water of the river.When you rub your eye,
you will perceive that all of them are really He.This resembles the other reflections, but in reality it is not a reflection,
it is the appearance of God in the likeness of a reflection.How should the qibla (object of worship), namely, the Divine Unity, be two?
How should earth be worshipped by the angels?The Khwja is the God-man of whom God said You did not throw when you threw
To see him is to see the Creator.
To serve him is to serve God.
To see this window is to see the Daylight.Listen, let your inner eye and your heart pass beyond (transcend) the bodily clay!
This is One Qibla (object of worship)Do not see two qiblas.
Do not say ?two.?
Do not know ?two.?
And do not call ?two.?Consider the slave to be effaced in his master.
~Rumi
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Any deity beyond the individual is IMPOSSIBLE.
This is not philosophy, this is PHYSICS.
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Mankind has done a lot of nonsense in the name of pleasing earthly or heavenly gods.
1 + 0 = 1
Matters are empty space, and we are the manifestation of God.
Reach enlightenment (tawba an-nasooha) and free ourselves from mental slavery.
Be your own hero.
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?The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.? ~ Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
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Put your trust in God (truth and spiritual logic), for God (truth and spiritual logic) is worthy of trust.
Illustation 1
God did not place two hearts inside any man's body.
Illustation 2
Nor has He made your wives whom you equate with your mothers your real mothers
Illustation 3
nor has He made your adopted sons your actual sons.
Fallacy
These (other ways of life) are words coming out of your mouths.
Truth
But God speaks the Truth, and He guides to the right path .
(Quran 33.3-4)
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First Stage Objective
I am going to place in the earth a khalif. (2.30)
Second Stage Mission Accomplished - The Khalif, Abraham
Who could be better in faith than those who submit themselves to God,
and do good,
and follow the faith of Abraham,
who turned away from all that is false?
God took Abraham as a friend (Khalif).
(4.125)Third Stage Fulfilment
When God tested Abraham with certain words and he fulfilled them,
God said, "I will make you a leader of men."
He said, "And my seed?"
God said, "My covenant does not extend to the unjust (We hear, we disobey)."
(2.124)Abraham left behind this word to endure among his posterity so that they may return to it.
(43.2Fourth Stage Descendant - "so that they may return to it," ie. the Quran.
Today, I perfected your way of life for you
and I fulfilled My divine blessing on you
and I was well-pleased with submission to the One God for your way of life.
(5.3)Fifth Stage The Signs of Qiyamah
What are the unbelievers waiting for,
other than the Hour to come upon them suddenly?
Its Signs have already come.
(47.5Sixth Stage The Journey - Qiyamah
God does not harm mankind in any way,
but men do harm themselves.
(10.44)Evil schemes overwhelm only those who plot them.
Do they expect anything different, given what happened to earlier people?
You will never find any change in the way of God,
and you will never find any deviation in the His way.
(35.43)The Enemy Nimrod and the "family of Imran."
Instead, they followed what the evil ones used to practice during Solomon's reign. Not that Solomon himself was one who denied the truth; it was the evil ones who denied the truth. They taught people witchcraft and what was revealed in Babylon to the two angels Harut and Marut, although these two never taught it to anyone without first declaring, "We are nothing more than a temptation to evil Do not deny truth." From these two, they learned what can separate a man from his wife, although they harm no one with it except with God's permission. They learned what harmed them, not what benefited them, knowing full well that whoever acquired would have no share in the Hereafter. Surely, evil is the for which they sold their souls, if only they realized that. (2.102)
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Follow the money...
Seventh Stage - Final Episode
There is no city We will not destroy before the Day of Rising,
or punish with a terrible punishment.
That is inscribed in the Book.
(17.5Indeed Allah exalted Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all the worlds. (3.33)
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Adam - creation of mankind
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Noah - to spread mankind
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Family of Abraham - Truth and spiritual logic
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Family of Imran - Fallacy and mental slavery
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Pharaoh fooled his people, and they obeyed him. They were wicked people (as equal to Pharaoh). (43.54)
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Soundness vs. Fallacy..
On that Day, We shall ask Hell,
Are you now full?
Hell will answer,
Are there any more?
(50.30)
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Spiritual Journey
After forty and does not reaching tawba an-nasooha...
Because of their failure to fulfill their pledge to Him,
and because of the lies they told,
He caused hypocrisy to overtake their hearts until the Day they will meet Him.
(9.77)game over...
Final chance
Those who will believe in him
and honor him
and support him
and follow the enlightenment that has been sent down with him
who will succeed.
(7.157)Conditions
Those who will follow
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the Messenger (truth and spiritual logic, Quran),
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the gentile (spiritual) Prophet they find described in the Torah and in the Gospel,
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the Prophet who will command them to do what is obviously right, and
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forbid what is obviously wrong, and
(no physical and mental slavery, no religion and sectarianism) -
allow them the good things in life, and
(salah and equitable ways of life) -
forbid them the bad things.
(corruption and inequitable ways of life) -
He will release them from their burdens and shackles that bound them before
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(7.157)
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Matheism,
While your way of describing the GOD phenomenon is correct, you cannot implement it on the Quran you are trying to implement it on, because the Quran you try to do it on is very off in its interpretation (unless you reinterpret it). What you propose will simply not be compatible with this sectarian interpretation.
Humans were indeed made to be in the One Being, from being an unconscious (without character) seed towards gaining independence in GOD, becoming "kings" or angels as they use to be called (malakat in Arabic). Successful humans are then a substantial part of God, having influence. It is a position of power albeit shared, a sort of symbiosis.
Suppose it is you who entered iamthatiam.boards.net and posted in the guest section and claimed what I am telling is not new which is basically true albeit some of it is actually news. It is definitely not new about successful humans becoming angels because even Jesus in the Biblical Gospels tells that people will become angels if they succeed. However I have complemented the information quite much.
Be well
Amenuel -
;D You remind me of ex member muslims (Muslim Atheism)
You're right. Maybe they're the same person, or related.
Matheism -
I like your posts and the messages you are conveying. ) However, isn't 385 (the first verse you quoted in your first post) a question that the disbelievers asked of the believers?
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There is no god higher than TRUTH.
Apart from the TRUTH, what is there except ERROR? (10.32)
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garbage in, garbage out...
and the test for truth will always be "LOGIC"....
Spiritiual (real self) Logic (all true premises) ...
Free ourselves from mental slavery...
If it (the Bible, Torah, Gospel, Quran etc) had been from anyone but god,
they would have found many inconsistencies in it.
(4.82)Other than that are "lies"..
They are only following their GUESS, and they only tell LIES. (10.33)
because...
GUESS is no substitute for the TRUTH. (53.2
God = Truth
Satan = Lies
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Does the Quran mandate Rahbaniyah (rituals) ?
We had sent Noah and Abraham,
and We placed in their progeny the prophethood and the Book.
Some of them were guided, while many were wicked.
Then We sent in their tracks Our messengers.
And We sent Jesus, son of Mary, and We gave him the Gospel,
and We ordained in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy (practical ways of life).
But they invented Rahbaniyah (rituals) which We never decreed for them (ie. not even to Noah, Abraham, Jesus etc).
They wanted to please God,
but they did not observe it the way it should have been observed.
Consequently, We gave those who believed among them their recompense,
while many of them were wicked.
(5726-27)
Inconsistencies ...
Lies?
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Whoever follows other than surrender as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. (3.85)
To Him is the call of truth.
And those who are called on besides Him, they will not respond to them in anything;
like one who places his hands openly in the water to drink,
but it never reaches his mouth.
The call of the rejecters is nothing but in misguidance.
(13.14)
Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them which was clear (soundness), and the guidance, after God Had made it clear in the Scripture; these will be cursed by God and be cursed by those who curse. Except those who repent and amend and make clear; for those I will accept their repentance, for I am the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. (2.159-160)
God = Truth (soundness = validity + truth)
Satan = Lies (unsound argument)
Apart from the TRUTH, what is there except ERROR? (10.32)
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Matheism,
You cannot force the sectarian interpretation of Quran to conform with your ideas. It explicitly condemns association. You have to think it over and perhaps you may discover that the passages you quote are not supposed to say what you think, i.e. you have to reinterpret the whole scripture. This is something which I have discovered in recent years. The traditional way of knowing Arabic is more or less like garbage, fabricated by deluded clerics.
Be well
Amenuel -
I'm not a Muslim (arabic language, as "god", and not an atheist...
I'm a Matheist..
Different and separate entity.
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ie. God is Truth, Soundness... and absolute Surrender.
It is those who have FAITH, and do not mix with ,
they will be secure, and it is they who are rightly guided.
This is the REASONING We gave to Abraham .
(6.82-83)
"Reasoning" is GOD... real self, "be your own hero"
Therefore there will be no conflict...
"To you is your system, and to me is mine."
(109.6)
Not a Muslim...
Say, "Bring forward your (hadithers or expert) witnesses who can testify that God has forbidden (or allowing) all this,"
and if they testify,
Do not testify with them ("be your own hero", take responsibility for your life, "no mental slavery".
Do not follow the sinful views of those who have rejected Our messages,
Nor of those who do not believe in the Hereafter while they equate others with their Lord (shirk).
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(6.150)
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Not Christian or Jew or
Muslim, not Hindu,
Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen.
Not any religionor cultural system. I am
not from the east
or the west, not
out of the ocean or upfrom the ground, not
natural or ethereal, not
composed of elements at all.
I do not exist,am not an entity in this
world or the next,
did not descend from
Adam and Eve or anyorigin story. My place is
the placeless, a trace
of the traceless.
Neither body or soul.I belong to the beloved,
have seen the two
worlds as one and
that one
call to and know,first, last, outer, inner,
only that breath breathinghuman being.
Jelaluddin Rumi
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