ALL GODS ONE GOD
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Spiritual Journey
After forty and does not reaching tawba an-nasooha...
Because of their failure to fulfill their pledge to Him,
and because of the lies they told,
He caused hypocrisy to overtake their hearts until the Day they will meet Him.
(9.77)game over...
Final chance
Those who will believe in him
and honor him
and support him
and follow the enlightenment that has been sent down with him
who will succeed.
(7.157)Conditions
Those who will follow
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the Messenger (truth and spiritual logic, Quran),
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the gentile (spiritual) Prophet they find described in the Torah and in the Gospel,
(truth has no religion, mankind is one nation, good is one) -
the Prophet who will command them to do what is obviously right, and
(freedom, enlightenment, and real self, "be you!" -
forbid what is obviously wrong, and
(no physical and mental slavery, no religion and sectarianism) -
allow them the good things in life, and
(salah and equitable ways of life) -
forbid them the bad things.
(corruption and inequitable ways of life) -
He will release them from their burdens and shackles that bound them before
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(7.157)
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Matheism,
While your way of describing the GOD phenomenon is correct, you cannot implement it on the Quran you are trying to implement it on, because the Quran you try to do it on is very off in its interpretation (unless you reinterpret it). What you propose will simply not be compatible with this sectarian interpretation.
Humans were indeed made to be in the One Being, from being an unconscious (without character) seed towards gaining independence in GOD, becoming "kings" or angels as they use to be called (malakat in Arabic). Successful humans are then a substantial part of God, having influence. It is a position of power albeit shared, a sort of symbiosis.
Suppose it is you who entered iamthatiam.boards.net and posted in the guest section and claimed what I am telling is not new which is basically true albeit some of it is actually news. It is definitely not new about successful humans becoming angels because even Jesus in the Biblical Gospels tells that people will become angels if they succeed. However I have complemented the information quite much.
Be well
Amenuel -
;D You remind me of ex member muslims (Muslim Atheism)
You're right. Maybe they're the same person, or related.
Matheism -
I like your posts and the messages you are conveying. ) However, isn't 385 (the first verse you quoted in your first post) a question that the disbelievers asked of the believers?
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There is no god higher than TRUTH.
Apart from the TRUTH, what is there except ERROR? (10.32)
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garbage in, garbage out...
and the test for truth will always be "LOGIC"....
Spiritiual (real self) Logic (all true premises) ...
Free ourselves from mental slavery...
If it (the Bible, Torah, Gospel, Quran etc) had been from anyone but god,
they would have found many inconsistencies in it.
(4.82)Other than that are "lies"..
They are only following their GUESS, and they only tell LIES. (10.33)
because...
GUESS is no substitute for the TRUTH. (53.2
God = Truth
Satan = Lies
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Does the Quran mandate Rahbaniyah (rituals) ?
We had sent Noah and Abraham,
and We placed in their progeny the prophethood and the Book.
Some of them were guided, while many were wicked.
Then We sent in their tracks Our messengers.
And We sent Jesus, son of Mary, and We gave him the Gospel,
and We ordained in the hearts of his followers kindness and mercy (practical ways of life).
But they invented Rahbaniyah (rituals) which We never decreed for them (ie. not even to Noah, Abraham, Jesus etc).
They wanted to please God,
but they did not observe it the way it should have been observed.
Consequently, We gave those who believed among them their recompense,
while many of them were wicked.
(5726-27)
Inconsistencies ...
Lies?
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Whoever follows other than surrender as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. (3.85)
To Him is the call of truth.
And those who are called on besides Him, they will not respond to them in anything;
like one who places his hands openly in the water to drink,
but it never reaches his mouth.
The call of the rejecters is nothing but in misguidance.
(13.14)
Surely those who conceal what We have sent down to them which was clear (soundness), and the guidance, after God Had made it clear in the Scripture; these will be cursed by God and be cursed by those who curse. Except those who repent and amend and make clear; for those I will accept their repentance, for I am the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. (2.159-160)
God = Truth (soundness = validity + truth)
Satan = Lies (unsound argument)
Apart from the TRUTH, what is there except ERROR? (10.32)
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Matheism,
You cannot force the sectarian interpretation of Quran to conform with your ideas. It explicitly condemns association. You have to think it over and perhaps you may discover that the passages you quote are not supposed to say what you think, i.e. you have to reinterpret the whole scripture. This is something which I have discovered in recent years. The traditional way of knowing Arabic is more or less like garbage, fabricated by deluded clerics.
Be well
Amenuel -
I'm not a Muslim (arabic language, as "god", and not an atheist...
I'm a Matheist..
Different and separate entity.
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ie. God is Truth, Soundness... and absolute Surrender.
It is those who have FAITH, and do not mix with ,
they will be secure, and it is they who are rightly guided.
This is the REASONING We gave to Abraham .
(6.82-83)
"Reasoning" is GOD... real self, "be your own hero"
Therefore there will be no conflict...
"To you is your system, and to me is mine."
(109.6)
Not a Muslim...
Say, "Bring forward your (hadithers or expert) witnesses who can testify that God has forbidden (or allowing) all this,"
and if they testify,
Do not testify with them ("be your own hero", take responsibility for your life, "no mental slavery".
Do not follow the sinful views of those who have rejected Our messages,
Nor of those who do not believe in the Hereafter while they equate others with their Lord (shirk).
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(6.150)
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Not Christian or Jew or
Muslim, not Hindu,
Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen.
Not any religionor cultural system. I am
not from the east
or the west, not
out of the ocean or upfrom the ground, not
natural or ethereal, not
composed of elements at all.
I do not exist,am not an entity in this
world or the next,
did not descend from
Adam and Eve or anyorigin story. My place is
the placeless, a trace
of the traceless.
Neither body or soul.I belong to the beloved,
have seen the two
worlds as one and
that one
call to and know,first, last, outer, inner,
only that breath breathinghuman being.
Jelaluddin Rumi
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Peace "muslims"( Matheism).
As a free non entity ,welcome back to free minds.
Death to religion/s( including Matheism! - not you of course, Matheism the religion!). Vive Freedom.
There are no other gods,there has only ever been "One GOD".
GOD bless you.
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You may like to refine your terminology, it is not clear but looking like compromises. However I know you are onto the right thing just like me.
Matheist is a weird formulation. The best choice would be to say you are someone 'Who Is Like' or more simply put 'Who Is' which is the literal meaning of the Arabic word Allah. "To be" is your ultimate aim whereas like you say, many people are not conscious of their true selves. Your spiritual Being should be such as that one of your Rabb (morphological meaning of the word 'selam', to the point where you are in union with that phenomenon, i.e. in the same image. This is why I named the forum I referred to earlier as "iamthatiam.boards.net" because that is a first-person formulation of the third-person Allah. The forum proposes that people should be like 'Who Is', i.e. to be 'Who Is'.
Muslim is not a label, and that much you are correct. Muslim is a condition of being. Your faith is a matter of Being, who you are and what you make of yourself.
You also need to highlight to your preached crowd that the main problem of humans is their very own body. This body is what drives people to be slaves and unconscious. One must seek their one Spirit and understand/take/find their part. Please take this as constructive criticism.
Be well
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
All I can say is you have some competition now!
Weird indeed.
GOD bless you.
Peace -
Death to religion/s( including Matheism! - not you of course, Matheism the religion!). Vive Freedom.
Thank you..
people always need something to understand the whole concept..
and Matheism is a religion for..
No God
No Religion
No Nonsense
Spiritual Logic...
and No "Muhammad"
only the Quran and Spiritual Logic.. Soundness.
real religion is no religion at all...
not a muslim, and not an atheist...
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God = Truth (soundness)
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Satan = Lies (fallacy)
that's all there is...
Truth vs. Lies..
all gods one god..
so there is no need for any doctrine since every stage of life is a progress for truth ...
the Quran is the PATH, not the POINT..
the point is wisdom..
goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil..
so while maintaining this freedom, the collective understanding in the society is Islam...
that's the idea...
the theology, "the study"...
and the formulation for equitable ways of life..
If you judge among the people, you shall judge equitably. (4.5
at least what I had in mind what Islam is all about..
We are responsible for its INTERPRETATION. (75.19)
therefore, free ourselves from mental illness,
and be our own hero...
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You also need to highlight to your preached crowd that the main problem of humans is their very own body. This body is what drives people to be slaves and unconscious. One must seek their one Spirit and understand/take/find their part.
Yes and that is the whole idea for tawba an-nasooha, reaching enlightenment....
to be free from our Qareen, the false self...
false god... no slavery, only truth...
(spiritual journey)
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Have you seen someone who has taken his own passion as his god? Would you act as a trustee for him? (25.43)
You don?t have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.
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Abraham was neither a Jew (racism, nationalism etc),
nor a Christian (religism, favoritism etc),
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He was upright and devoted to God ,
never an idolater (sectarianism, idolism, ignorantism etc),
and the people who are closest to him are those
who truly follow his ways,
this Prophet,
and believers.
God is close to believers (upright man, soundness).
(3.67-6
If the Prophet is living today, he will not be a Muslim...
Those who divide their way of life and become schism (religism),
you are not with them in anything.
(6.159)
As for those who ignore God and His Messenger (equitable ways of life)
by trying to make a distinction between them, saying,
"We believe in the one (truth), but we deny the other (truth),"
and want to pursue a path in-between (through religions and denominations etc),
it is they who are truly unbelievers.
(4150-151)
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