THE 1 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
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Fasting in December is as bad as in June, because when it is midsummer in one hemisphere, it is midwinter in the other... but Ramadhan is at the same time all over the world.
i consider it different,, usually people calculate seasons by temperature which is not correct .. its about the the rotation of earth around the sun in one year,, and when earth is rotting its rotating with its full continents lolxx..
ok see like this,,
winter in pakistan in dec, winter in uk dec, winter in saudia dec, winter in antartica dec.
but temperatures are different let say pak 12 c uk -12 c, saudia 13 F , antartic -30 c
again in summer pakistan, uk saudia antartica.
temp are pak 30 f, uk 12 f, saudia 45 f, antartica -10 c..
i think thats who seasons work,, as far my little understanding when earth is rotating around sun the nearest distance in rotatin cause summer and fartherest is the cause of winter.. God knows best..
So, if at all, fasting is to be done the traditional way, the timings should be such that the amount of hours are the same all over the planet, and there is a dark part of the night available. I guess autumn equinox could be such an occasion.
oh yeh thats the best answer through traditionl way... but when i see the records of events of traditional muslims every ramzan is on the period of early january or late december,, like conquer of makka ,, assasination of ali ,, and so on,, just five six days different from the winter solictre.
so its better to keep the ramadhan on the dates in which prophet did and it was definately in december,, due to the dates ,,
its a diferent thing if we beleive on these news or not,, but again if we dig the history of christanity jesus get birth on 25 december which was also a special night ,, may be five six day up and down but its also close to the history of traditional muslims,, and reaosning of long night which is also in december...
all these things are pointing enough hints to make fasts on december,,
rest of the things God knows best..
peace
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Selam wrkmmn,
at this point i think that you are right, i have done some research and there must be a clear view for once and for all times. We should have a clear answer for this issue from the Quran. People twist words and make the religion of Islam difficult and we now have this new digital era, we should simply find all answers.
I know in many traditions, just like in my country many say this month we do not drink alcohol it is ramadan, but we should not drink at all. The companion of a liar is satan. The most people i know are muslims who keep tradition and do not drink when it is ramadan, but do lie and a lot. I see many wrong things in our religion and Allah says i keep your people alive as long as there are among you some who still believe in Allah and do as they should according Quran. I do not see Allah saying i should not smoke when fasting, what do you think? Tradition says that we do not smoke when fasting or is it also from Quran?
Very important in understanding the beginning of the ramadan is when Allah says do not enter your houses from behind, but enter them from the front. Clearly this tells us the beginning of ramadan is crescent moon and not full moon. That is what i understand from this ayet. Ramadan month is the hot month of the year. So it can not be in December. It is not possible to call the month ramadan Hot and that this month would be December.
Still i want to see some research that has some strong arguments and so far i did not read many.
May Allah bless us and increase our knowledge, Peace
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So it can not be in December. It is not possible to call the month ramadan Hot and that this month would be December.
saudia is always hot ,, even in winter the day in desert is more hotter than the summer day in uk..
you guys make me laugh that what all you research and come into a conclusion. i was telling you the date of conquring of makka it was a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy big event for muslims and for prophet , it was on ramadhan and it was in december..
The conquest of Mecca (Arabic fat makkah) is the historical event when Mecca was capitulated for and conquered by Muslims on 11 December 629 CE (Julian), 18 Ramadan, 8 AH in the ancient (intercalated) Arabic calendar. Muhammad started the journey on 6 Ramadan and entered Mecca on 18 Ramadan.
peace... either u have to choose ramadhan as a hot month or either u have to choose decemeber is also a hot month,,, then u can fit ur theory inside it,,, otherwise it contradict..
peace and take more time,, i m also researching it from last five years still unable to come on final exact decison,, all are hints and closing understanding ,,
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saudia is always hot ,, even in winter the day in desert is more hotter than the summer day in uk..
you guys make me laugh that what all you research and come into a conclusion. i was telling you the date of conquring of makka it was a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy big event for muslims and for prophet , it was on ramadhan and it was in december..
The conquest of Mecca (Arabic fat makkah) is the historical event when Mecca was capitulated for and conquered by Muslims on 11 December 629 CE (Julian), 18 Ramadan, 8 AH in the ancient (intercalated) Arabic calendar. Muhammad started the journey on 6 Ramadan and entered Mecca on 18 Ramadan.
peace... either u have to choose ramadhan as a hot month or either u have to choose decemeber is also a hot month,,, then u can fit ur theory inside it,,, otherwise it contradict..
peace and take more time,, i m also researching it from last five years still unable to come on final exact decison,, all are hints and closing understanding ,,
Selam, where can i read about conquest of mekka? and do not laugh, present a essay, please if you have researched this for 5 years than you must have a good research Peace
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Selam, where can i read about conquest of mekka? and do not laugh, present a essay, please if you have researched this for 5 years than you must have a good research Peace
w salam,
obviously you can read it in early history, where else, becoz question was how to follow a traditional way of fasting, so i represent the example of traditionl history what all traditional muslims beleive, and according to that it was on december.i dnt feel any need to write an essay on it, when somebody really want to to know truth its Allah who is best guider and best writer , the book of essay in the shape of quran is already in hand,, read it and research it and then for details of dates and events its come to history department ,the essay of qurn is teach you religious things, but if you want details you can use science, archealogy, history, math, any tool that can help it , from different sources, you may get results. inshallah.
like the event of joseph , when Allah told us it was the reason to told us see its truth of joseph what he suffered how he control his powers(inner weakness) due to the obedience of God. purpose was to tell you about religious essay,of guarding private parts. yeh but if anybody need to find the dates , god did not mention it , not even the date of any event , now there other sources come but its your choice if you think this tool works well then beleive it,, for example tecnology is telling us about civilisation that are 5000 to 20000 years old, how they know it, there is a platform behind it, we need to understand their strategy of getting results. history science anything is not a subject of quran, go through all quran you will find instructions and religious order. and then sometimes we encounter things regarding science, history prophecies , and as we know its from God and it cant be false so when somebody verify these things under their trusted tools we find it accurate or compatible with quran.
what i told you it is pretty normal . i always try to talk in easy language .
and i m not laughing on ur results my brother, i was laughing how come you come to conclusion very quickly , some things are difficult to find out, like every question of math is not same some are difficult some are easy, the difficult one we usually take help from guides, frds, students, books to understand. apply same science on this issue as we know the beauty of quran is , it never talk with exact dates regarding anything,, i dnt remember when quran describe anything God mention any calenderical dates,, and thats what make it more perfect for universal scripture,,
peace
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w salam,
obviously you can read it in early history, where else, becoz question was how to follow a traditional way of fasting, so i represent the example of traditionl history what all traditional muslims beleive, and according to that it was on december.i dnt feel any need to write an essay on it, when somebody really want to to know truth its Allah who is best guider and best writer , the book of essay in the shape of quran is already in hand,, read it and research it and then for details of dates and events its come to history department ,the essay of qurn is teach you religious things, but if you want details you can use science, archealogy, history, math, any tool that can help it , from different sources, you may get results. inshallah.
like the event of joseph , when Allah told us it was the reason to told us see its truth of joseph what he suffered how he control his powers(inner weakness) due to the obedience of God. purpose was to tell you about religious essay,of guarding private parts. yeh but if anybody need to find the dates , god did not mention it , not even the date of any event , now there other sources come but its your choice if you think this tool works well then beleive it,, for example tecnology is telling us about civilisation that are 5000 to 20000 years old, how they know it, there is a platform behind it, we need to understand their strategy of getting results. history science anything is not a subject of quran, go through all quran you will find instructions and religious order. and then sometimes we encounter things regarding science, history prophecies , and as we know its from God and it cant be false so when somebody verify these things under their trusted tools we find it accurate or compatible with quran.
what i told you it is pretty normal . i always try to talk in easy language .
and i m not laughing on ur results my brother, i was laughing how come you come to conclusion very quickly , some things are difficult to find out, like every question of math is not same some are difficult some are easy, the difficult one we usually take help from guides, frds, students, books to understand. apply same science on this issue as we know the beauty of quran is , it never talk with exact dates regarding anything,, i dnt remember when quran describe anything God mention any calenderical dates,, and thats what make it more perfect for universal scripture,,
peace
Selam, would it not be enough to read Quran without any history ooks and know the month of ramadan? See i do not believe what history say, history is written by men and sometimes by bad men. So i will investigate and i will use Quran and i will in shaa Allah know for sure, for know i think ramadan starts with the crescent moon and it is in the hot month. The hot month must be juni or july. December is not the hottest month. Peace
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Selam, would it not be enough to read Quran without any history ooks and know the month of ramadan? See i do not believe what history say, history is written by men and sometimes by bad men. So i will investigate and i will use Quran and i will in shaa Allah know for sure, for know i think ramadan starts with the crescent moon and it is in the hot month. The hot month must be juni or july. December is not the hottest month. Peace
show me some verses from where i can understand quran is telling about hot month.. and also cresent moon..
peace
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Selam, would it not be enough to read Quran without any history ooks and know the month of ramadan? See i do not believe what history say, history is written by men and sometimes by bad men. So i will investigate and i will use Quran and i will in shaa Allah know for sure, for know i think ramadan starts with the crescent moon and it is in the hot month. The hot month must be juni or july. December is not the hottest month. Peace
Not in Arabia or the northern hemisphere no, but in the southern hemisphere December is midsummer. Who gets to decide? North or South?
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show me some verses from where i can understand quran is telling about hot month.. and also cresent moon..
peace
ramadan means hot or burn, so it must be the hot month, the hottest month of the year and as i explained in previous posts, Allah mention that we should enter our houses from the front and from the rear, why would Allah mention something like this. This verse i am writing about is about fasting and it only can mean to begin the fast the month of ramadan with the crescent moon. Or do you have an other explanation for this verse and what it should mean' enter your houses from the front and not from behind'
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ramadan means hot or burn, so it must be the hot month, the hottest month of the year and as i explained in previous posts, Allah mention that we should enter our houses from the front and from the rear, why would Allah mention something like this. This verse i am writing about is about fasting and it only can mean to begin the fast the month of ramadan with the crescent moon. Or do you have an other explanation for this verse and what it should mean' enter your houses from the front and not from behind'
this is not what i ask
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this is not what i ask
you ask me about the verse, it is in Quran read it, and you know where to find it, do not say you dont know. If you really do not know than you should read more Quran. It is in surah 2189.
They ask thee concerning the new moons. Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper.
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you ask me about the verse, it is in Quran read it, and you know where to find it, do not say you dont know. If you really do not know than you should read more Quran. It is in surah 2189.
They ask thee concerning the new moons. Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper.
They ask you regarding the new moons, Say "They are a timing mechanism for the people as well as for the Pilgrimage." And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whomever is righteous and come to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.2 189
alhamdulliah i read quran a lot more times in my life.. and about this verse.. i m failed to figure out where is the mention of . hot month. or month of ramzan,
thats y i ask you to share the verse .. do you have any other verse regarding your claim becoz this verse i already know .. and there is nothing there what you claim..
peace...
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now a question from you .. can you let me know, who told you to interpret the word ramzan as hot...
is this word used in quran throught whenever quran was giving reference about hot things... i dnt think so quran words we will take as hide and seek ,, or quran talks in puzzles,, why did not use the proper word of hot instead of ramadhan..
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Peace
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERF_558 -- shar referred to lunar cycle.
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They ask you regarding the new moons, Say "They are a timing mechanism for the people as well as for the Pilgrimage." And piety is not that you would enter a home from its back, but piety is whomever is righteous and come to the homes from their main doors. And be aware of God that you may succeed.2 189
alhamdulliah i read quran a lot more times in my life.. and about this verse.. i m failed to figure out where is the mention of . hot month. or month of ramzan,
thats y i ask you to share the verse .. do you have any other verse regarding your claim becoz this verse i already know .. and there is nothing there what you claim..
peace...
The start of ramadan is with new moon, so if you have an other opinion than show me how did you come to that conclusion. Also i act as a student, you behave as a scholar. Do not forget that you may be wrong, you should behave as a student and try to learn. What else can this verse mean than what i understood, please tell me. What does ramadan means according to you? Why don't you just show me from Quran that you are right and that there is no discussion possible after your research?
About ramadan i am not sure, but i keep all options open. And i try to learn, but with your comments and posts i do not make any progress. You only ask questions and do not show what you mean, also you do not have a study or am essay on this. The thread is named 1 million dollar question and if you do not have proofs and an essay, you will not get the 1 million dollar.
Everybody got a answer or 2, but who has the full truth, the truth that nobody can reject. Is this so difficult, show me a full research and not discussion. I ask this many times and some do not hear and keep posting questions and posts without full research.
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Peace
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERF_558 -- shar referred to lunar cycle.
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i have read perf 558 and nowhere i read that shahr means lunar cycle, maybe i am wrong, correct me if i am. Do you have a full research or essay about ramadan?
Peace
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The start of ramadan is with new moon,
which new moon,, cresent or full moon.. or brand new moon from another galaxy..
Also i act as a student, you behave as a scholar. Do not forget that you may be wrong, you should behave as a student and try to learn.
lol no i dont behave like a scholar ... rotfl
i jsut ask verses but you fail to provide..
please tell me. What does ramadan means according to you? ?
what does zullhaj, muharram, rajab, december novemeber , january, means .. elektro
About ramadan i am not sure,
hats what i told you already make sure first and take your time.. but you did not pay heed to my advise..
And i try to learn, but with your comments and posts i do not make any progress.
its not my fault ,, some students are weak to learn ,,
The thread is named 1 million dollar question and if you do not have proofs and an essay, you will not get the 1 million dollar.
i dnt need one million,, if i have to do anything which will help community , i will do it for the sake of God happiness , not for any million or trillion you will offer..
and for the rest of the people,, first show them do you really have one million dollar in your account...lol
and this time you dnt need to show any qurnic verse just ur bank statement with that balance show to them,, may b somebody write an essay for you.. -
which new moon,, cresent or full moon.. or brand new moon from another galaxy..
lol no i dont behave like a scholar ... rotfl
i jsut ask verses but you fail to provide..
what does zullhaj, muharram, rajab, december novemeber , january, means .. elektro
hats what i told you already make sure first and take your time.. but you did not pay heed to my advise..
its not my fault ,, some students are weak to learn ,,
i dnt need one million,, if i have to do anything which will help community , i will do it for the sake of God happiness , not for any million or trillion you will offer..
and for the rest of the people,, first show them do you really have one million dollar in your account...lol
and this time you dnt need to show any qurnic verse just ur bank statement with that balance show to them,, may b somebody write an essay for you..First you ask me a question while i asked you a question, do you know this is rude
Second you do behave like you know it all for sure and are behaving like a self made scholar
Third you call me a weak student, because i do not want to believe what you believe, this is manipulation
Forth i see a lot of LOL, maybe you see this as a joke, why keep on posting if this is so funny and if you are right prove it do not keep on answering questions with questions
Fourth as i said in previous post show me an essay or research, because you claim you are doing something for the community
fifth i do not need an essay and would not pay even if i had a million, someone who want to lead the community to a straight path should do a research and post it without seeing any balance on the bank
sixth i do take my time, look how i am waiting very patient to see what kind of people will tell another story and can not back it up with research or an essay
seventh a new moon is a crescent moon and can not be a full moon
eighth are you so bored? that you like to laugh at others and call them weak students
ninth i will look at previous posts and send you some verses, maybe you should do the same and show me that you claim is from the quran
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The start of ramadan is with new moon, so if you have an other opinion than show me how did you come to that conclusion. Also i act as a student, you behave as a scholar. Do not forget that you may be wrong, you should behave as a student and try to learn. What else can this verse mean than what i understood, please tell me. What does ramadan means according to you? Why don't you just show me from Quran that you are right and that there is no discussion possible after your research?
About ramadan i am not sure, but i keep all options open. And i try to learn, but with your comments and posts i do not make any progress. You only ask questions and do not show what you mean, also you do not have a study or am essay on this. The thread is named 1 million dollar question and if you do not have proofs and an essay, you will not get the 1 million dollar.
Everybody got a answer or 2, but who has the full truth, the truth that nobody can reject. Is this so difficult, show me a full research and not discussion. I ask this many times and some do not hear and keep posting questions and posts without full research.
Why don't you answer these questions first
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The crescent moon i already showed you the verse, about ramadan i am not sure, but you are trying to win from me a discussion and i am muslim for 6 months and you are a muslim whole your life, and you call me weak, while you are the one who is weak and do not show the whole story according you. I asked you many times show some research, but you rather laugh at me and call me a weak student.