The devil as soulmate and sexual allies
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I believe the reason does not explain because the prohibitions apply to all human beings, good or evil people, and forever. There is no exception to it.
Even so, I feel Qur'an defines disbelievers in that way. So we're meant to avoid marrying disbelievers who are like this. Logically it makes sense too... no one would want to be involved with someone who is a constant liar while plotting against them.
Wait a second, we're still talking about 243 right? I think somewhere in this conversation I got confused. Which verses regarding marriage are you talking about?
It did and the word used is "adulterer" and "adulteress".
The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or she who is a polytheist. And the adulteress , she will only be married to an adulterer or he who is a polytheist. And such has been made forbidden for the believers.
Thank you.
My statement "I don't believe that Qur'an supports this line of thinking" wasn't towards what kind of marriage is lawful or not lawful. That statement was addressing possible sexual relationships with devils.
Peace. ) peace
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A explained in previou messages aya 7.24 indicates those expelled from the gardn was a community, see those messages.
alaam
Selam, thank you for replying i will read this ayet again, i did not know that it says that there was a community
Peace
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All the time in the allegory dual is used and then, here 724 "You (plural now) are enemies to one another, and for you (plural again) in Earth residence and provisions untill the appointed time" and so on in the next ones.
It's explaining the beguining of homo sapiens, current human beings.
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Wait a second, we're still talking about 243 right? I think somewhere in this conversation I got confused. Which verses regarding marriage are you talking about?
Yes..
And do not marry the female polytheists until they believe; for a believing servant is better than a polytheist, even if she is pleasing to you. And do not give in marriage to the male polytheists until they believe; for a believing servant is better than a polytheist, even if he is pleasing you. These invite to the Fire, while God is inviting to Paradise and forgiveness by His consent. He clarifies His revelations for the people that they may remember.
The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or she who is a polytheist. And the adulteress , she will only be married to an adulterer or he who is a polytheist. And such has been made forbidden for the believers.
That statement was addressing possible sexual relationships with devils.
This to prove that it is not merely "mental exposure", but "body exposure."
Because God doesn't use circular reasoning and states truth based on omniscience.
The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or she who is a polytheist. And the adulteress , she will only be married to an adulterer or he who is a polytheist. And such has been made forbidden for the believers.
I believe here God make equal marriage to adultery, and prohibit the believers from such marriages.
It is either marriage or adultery.
and it is not only mental exposure, but body exposure.
Personally, I believe it's about mental exposure.
If it is about "mental exposure",
Then why Allah prohibiting marriages between believers and disbelievers? body exposure.
Perhaps there are more than mental exposure?
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfdcx7TZabg&t=0m31s
Peace. ) peace
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All the time in the allegory dual is used and then, here 724 "You (plural now) are enemies to one another, and for you (plural again) in Earth residence and provisions untill the appointed time" and so on in the next ones.
It's explaining the beguining of homo sapiens, current human beings.
Selam virginia,
So the Adam and Eve story is about a community? Like brother Huruf said, do you share his view?
Peace
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Like brother Huruf said
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hururf is sister, i think
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Of course
Salam, and sorry for the delay
thank you, i will look in to it, it makes a lot of sense that this is a community. I am now investigating ramadan, when i am ready with ramadan i will look into the Adam and Eve story Peace
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thank you, i will look in to it, it makes a lot of sense that this is a community. I am now investigating ramadan, when i am ready with ramadan i will look into the Adam and Eve story Peace
Don't miss it! It will blow up your mind when you come to the conclusion that the "the two sons of Adam" are also a stage in the Human evolutionary history or, at least, a community.
(Please post when you are done with your ramadan researching, @The Guided one)
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Don't miss it! It will blow up your mind when you come to the conclusion that the "the two sons of Adam" are also a stage in the Human evolutionary history or, at least, a community.
(Please post when you are done with your ramadan researching, @The Guided one)
Selam,
i am not ready with researching with ramadan,but i was reading Quran and in surah 1770 i read about sons of Adam. This surah tells us that Adams sons were favored among others who Allah created. Peace
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Selam,
i am not ready with researching with ramadan,but i was reading Quran and in surah 1770 i read about sons of Adam. This surah tells us that Adams sons were favored among others who Allah created. Peace
527 And recite to them the news of the two sons of Adam with truth. They had both made an offering, and it was accepted from one of them, and not accepted from the other. He said "I will kill you!" He said "God only accepts from the righteous."
Two people here. With no names, and despite of the hebrew and christian traditions, we don't have a Cain who is an craftsman or farmer and an Abel, the stockbreeder. So the anthropologistic approach is another one or God would have referred to their occupations
And then God addresses to us, to the wholem the children of Adan
1770 And We have honored the Children of Adam and carried them in the land and the sea, and We have provided for them of the good things, and We have preferred them over many of those We created in a marked preference..
3660 "Did I not pledge to you, O Children of Adam, that you should not serve the devil for he is your most ardent enemy?"
and many other verses
So who are these "sons/children of Adam"? what does the murder mean? why arent there in the Qur'an so many details as in the other traditions? (" recite to them the news of the two sons of Adam with truth Are the other traditions about Cain and Abel the result of human interpolations?
Too much to think. God knows better.
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5.27 speaks about two children of adam does not speak about the two children of adam.
I think nothing told in the Qur'an is intended as historical teaching but as moral teaching. Therefore no need to enter particulars. And I am also sure that all the proper nouns in the Qur'an are not such s we understand them today, but names with a meaning which describe what the person or the thing are.
Take isra'il. Isra' is the same as one of the suras in the Qur'an, the people f the night travel, may be the people who undertook a journey in the darkness (towards the light?). Which would still depict a phase in the human development continuing with the first steps into divine conscience undertaken by the adam and their successors. The story of two children of adam shows also a step in the moral development of mankind.
I think, given the spirit and form of the Qur'an it is a gross error to ever look at it in any way as an ethnic history or stories.
The favors shown by God to the bani adam are not arbitrary infatuations by God with any of His creatures but the destiny He has gifted to every creature or thing in His creatio as that particular being. And let us ot forget that what the Qur'an says is not that the human kind is the most favoured but one of the most favoured. We are ot the only ones at the peak of Creation. As in the 17.70 We have bestowed on them our favour over many of our Creation.
Andn we do not know how long we will last as a species. The earth history is very long. We do ot know that there were othr huaities before nor know whether there will be othrs after us.
Salaam
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5.27 speaks about two children of adam does not speak about the two children of adam.
5.27 is about the two children of Adam, it's dual masculine.
I think nothing told in the Qur'an is intended as historical teaching but as moral teaching. Therefore no need to enter particulars. And I am also sure that all the proper nouns in the Qur'an are not such s we understand them today, but names with a meaning which describe what the person or the thing are.
What if history and moral teaching is one thing?
Take isra'il. Isra' is the same as one of the suras in the Qur'an, the people f the night travel, may be the people who undertook a journey in the darkness (towards the light?). Which would still depict a phase in the human development continuing with the first steps into divine conscience undertaken by the adam and their successors. The story of two children of adam shows also a step in the moral development of mankind.
Agree. there are few individuals in Qur'an, and mostly when they are addressed like "Children of..."
I think, given the spirit and form of the Qur'an it is a gross error to ever look at it in any way as an ethnic history or stories.
Who is saying this? If you thought I am, then you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I never wrote about ehtnics or something like this. I was talking about anthropology and a theory that suggests that Qur'an is actually explaining it. Trying to explain such a thing in terms that could be understood by any human being in any moment of history is surely one of the miracles of the Qur'an.
The favors shown by God to the bani adam are not arbitrary infatuations by God with any of His creatures but the destiny He has gifted to every creature or thing in His creatio as that particular being. And let us ot forget that what the Qur'an says is not that the human kind is the most favoured but one of the most favoured. We are ot the only ones at the peak of Creation. As in the 17.70 We have bestowed on them our favour over many of our Creation.
Of course He is the God of the worlds. And he favored us with common sense (I insist, intellect and inteligence is the beguining of homo sapiens, the one gifted by God, it was His gift actually), obviously in His Creation there are other kind of gifts/favours or manybe the same in highest grade (who's the animal watching our world today?). I am talking about human species, not a region, not a place, not a people, not an ethnic.
Have an inspiring Friday!
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5.27 is about the two children of Adam, it's dual masculine.
How do you know it is definite and not indefinite?
What if history and moral teaching is one thing?
What I mean is that the purpose does not seem to be that we learn history but that we learn moral principles. Hitory may fit that purpose, but the purpoe may be fulfilled with enough dcriptio of the moral deeds involved and therefore no need to write history for history fans. However that dos not mean that if indeed a historical fact is stated that it is wrong. If the Qur'an says something then it is correct. What I was meaning is that the Qur'an should not be called to account if it does not give all the historical data that we would like. It is not its purpose.
Who is saying this? If you thought I am, then you misunderstood what I wanted to say. I never wrote about ehtnics or something like this. I was talking about anthropology and a theory that suggests that Qur'an is actually explaining it. Trying to explain such a thing in terms that could be understood by any human being in any moment of history is surely one of the miracles of the Qur'an.
No, I didn't mean at all that yousaid that, but there is plenty of that around and I just wanted to dispell any hint that it would be understood otherwise. I regret if I have generated confusion.
Of course He is the God of the worlds. And he favored us with common sense (I insist, intellect and inteligence is the beguining of homo sapiens, the one gifted by God, it was His gift actually), obviously in His Creation there are other kind of gifts/favours or manybe the same in highest grade (who's the animal watching our world today?). I am talking about human species, not a region, not a place, not a people, not an ethnic.
Have an inspiring Friday!
Have a great Friday and weekend you too.
Salaam
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How do you know it is definite and not indefinite?
True, we can not know. So, 2 communities of many others... it helps my hypothesis even more )
What I mean is that the purpose does not seem to be that we learn history but that we learn moral principles. Hitory may fit that purpose, but the purpoe may be fulfilled with enough dcriptio of the moral deeds involved and therefore no need to write history for history fans. However that dos not mean that if indeed a historical fact is stated that it is wrong. If the Qur'an says something then it is correct. What I was meaning is that the Qur'an should not be called to account if it does not give all the historical data that we would like. It is not its purpose.
Of course history is not the purpose, the Qur'an itself states that you don't need anything else to understand its meaning. But I find here a way of explaining many things, allegorically of course, and those have to do with prehistory. No one is going to write history over this, either no one is trying to find historical data (I hope so!!), but it is a fact for me that God is telling us the history of our ancestors to teach us something. So looking at paleontologist research just help us understand better.
No, I didn't mean at all that yousaid that, but there is plenty of that around and I just wanted to dispell any hint that it would be understood otherwise. I regret if I have generated confusion.
No regrets!!! group
Have a great Friday and weekend you too.
Salaam
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