THE 1 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
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MY CONCLUSION SO FAR
Ramadan can not be in December and not when full moon occurs. This because the pagan traditions as i wrote in previous post and because Allah says to enter out houses from the front and not from the rear, this must mean to start ramadan with a crescent moon, a new moon. Also some things could maybe have changed, but it is not possible that the holy month was changed, Muslims would not have allowed this.
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i have read perf 558 and nowhere i read that shahr means lunar cycle, maybe i am wrong, correct me if i am. Do you have a full research or essay about ramadan?
Peace
Peace, no research only recently started to investigate was going to study few other topics first like "what possess right hands yours" and others although it's clear from the text it refers to a lunar cycle/period they called then Jumada 1 and likewise we know they had Jumada 2, etc.
shr/lunar cycle Jumada the first from date/year two and twenty and written his son Hadidu
Also some things could maybe have changed, but it is not possible that the holy month was changed, Muslims would not have allowed this.
That's if they had a choice and the issue comes down to if one awakes from a long comma or long sleep in a cave as the sleepers then who determines first month if they rotate throughout the seasons? Ramadan/burning heat -- why rotate to occur during winter/spring/fall as well?
We know from history unbiased no purpose to fudge dates of events that in the year 541 CE. Flavius Belisarius, commander of the Byzantine armies, summoned a council of war against Persia. Two Roman officers in command of Syrian garrisons refused to join Belisarius' army to Nisibis. They said that their absence would leave Syria and Phenicia exposed to the attacks of the Arabs. Belisarius argued that this would not be a problem because the summer solstice was at hand, when the Arabs devoted two months to the rites of their religion without resorting to arms, so there was no cause for apprehension. -- invasion of Syria and sack of Antioch Gibbon
How did general Belisarius know this? Were they abstaining from fighting/arguing/war/food etc., during hot period after summer solstice?
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MY CONCLUSION SO FAR
Ramadan can not be in December and not when full moon occurs. This because the pagan traditions as i wrote in previous post and because Allah says to enter out houses from the front and not from the rear, this must mean to start ramadan with a crescent moon, a new moon. Also some things could maybe have changed, but it is not possible that the holy month was changed, Muslims would not have allowed this.
first of all here is an offical events of dates of 21 and 22 decemeber,, and i find nothing satanic or devilish in all this... have a look
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• Armed Forces Day (Philippines)
Christian feast day
O Oriens
Petrus Canisius
Thomas the Apostle (Anglicanism)
December 21 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)
Earliest date for the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere and the summer solstice in the Southern Hemisphere, and its related observances
Blue Christmas (Western Christianity)
Dongzhi Festival (Asia)
Sanghamitta Day (Theravada Buddhism)
Yule in the Northern Hemisphere (Neopagan Wheel of the Year)
Ziemassvtki (ancient Latvia)
Forefathers' Day (Plymouth, Massachusetts)
S?o Tom? Day (S?o Tom? and Pr?ncipe)
The first day of Pancha Ganapati, celebrated until December 25 (Saiva Siddhanta Church)•
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• Christian feast day
Anastasia of Sirmium (Orthodox Church)
O Rex
Henry Budd (Episcopal Church (USA))
Lottie Moon (Episcopal Church (USA))
December 22 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)
Armed Forces Day (Vietnam)
Mother's Day (Indonesia)
National Mathematics Day (India)
Teachers' Day (Cuba)
Unity Day (Zimbabwe)•
and the event you are talking i did not see anybody practising it anywhere.. have no official or legal history
moreover the event saturnaila dated back to 17 december.. do you think there is fool written on my forehead? dont you know lie is nasty thing ..
just want to say what do you mean by enter you houses from front door what does this mean????????? how this thing link to ramdhan or moon ?????????.
well if you want to beleive on your understanding its your choice but how come you so sure its not in december and claiming a thing which no body ever claim with surety,, due to the red part i dnt want to laugh becoz its your reason sorry to say your reason is illogical.. i m afraid you need some serious education.. dnt take it personal.. but as an advise..
peace and God bless you..
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you will find out that i speak the truth.
i find out already that your are telling me lie,, do astagfar ..
I hope Allah will guide you to the right path and that you leave paganism
r you joking with me.. rotfl
i remember a kid.. he was fighting with a white lady ,,
i ask why .. he replied becoz she is black and she is not accepting it...then i told to the kid.. confirm it i dnt want to hurt your feelings.. then i get to know kid need to differentiate between colors so instead of telling him she is white i need to explain him which color perform which function so dat he can understand white color hve these feature..what a lady have..
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Selam Imran,
i feel that you are not a very nice person, you call me a liar and that is not true. I tell you the truth about these dates and you find other dates like armed forces celebration in Philippines, you are becoming a real joke . You do everything to protect your believe, i wonder who is guiding you Allah or satan. What kind of lie did i tell you? You make statements and do not back them up. I ask questions and you do not answer them, you only push your way of thinking and wants me to accept your way of thinking.
As i wrote 21/22 December is Saturnalia and you can google this ( Satanic holidays ) and find out that this true. So this can not be what you claim to be the beginning of ramadan. I posted 2 links and if you watched one of these 2 videos than you would know what these dates are and what Christmas is. But you do not take time to watch and learn, but you make statements that i already have shown to you are not Islamic and can not be from Al Lah. Also every year this group celebrates this and 20 years ago it was a group of 35 thousand men and women who came together to have orgies and other satanic rituals and yes on the Christian holiday like you posted 21 and 22 december. You can see this in this video on youtube, the link is in my previous post. So i wonder how you know that satanic ritual is at 17 december, it seems to me that you know this very good and that you also know the truth about 21 and 22 december. Also this satanic holiday is for 12 days.
Please watch this video and the history of these pagan rituals and if you still keep on believing that these dates have nothing to do with Saturnalia than i understand who you are and what kind of agenda you are pushing. Do not claim that pagan and satanic rituals have no legal or official history, because they do and everybody knows this, it is a fact that a lot of people are going to such rituals and it is growing. I am not a liar, but you showed that you are a liar, and everybody can read it. May Allah give me strength to expose people like you and to show the people who is misguiding them and how. La ilahe illa Lah, Allahu Ekber. Peace
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@ guided one
i think you did not read it properly,, its you who are making joke of you own...
first of all i did not claim any thing..
second thing is this .. what you lie i already expose..
third thing you call me pagan rotfl
but apart from all this i did not get personal and say anything to you.. but i show everybody the events that happen on 21 and 22 december ,, now you google it .. and tell me did i tell lie about dates... or its you who are lying...
and finally i m not a nice person becoz i speak truth.. its something normal . truth is very bitter to accept..
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I am not a liar, but you showed that you are a liar,
rotfl where ,, exactly,,
proof of your lie ,, you call me pagan.. do u know the defination of pagan or shall i teach you this thing as well and then i will send you my id documents . calling a pagan to muslim is lie. and you are 100 % lier.. without any doubt .
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rotfl where ,, exactly,,
proof of your lie ,, you call me pagan.. do u know the defination of pagan or shall i teach you this thing as well and then i will send you my id documents . calling a pagan to muslim is lie. and you are 100 % lier.. without any doubt .
You are a joke, please stop posting on my thread, i started a nice topic to find answers and at this moment i think ramadan is not in december and not when full moon occurs. I already posted why i think this way. I do not need your posts on my thread, because you say that on 21-22 december ramadan starts. I already explained that this is Saturnalia a satanic holiday. If i was on your place and this information came to me than i would investigate it and i would reject this date as the start of ramadan. You still want to believe what you want to believe, so stop posting and go on else where.
You ask me where i showed you that you are a liar, my answer is when you said it is 17 december and not 21-22 december. You lied also when you said that satanic rituals on this date have no legal or official history. Also you answer a question with a question, that is very rude. Also you did not answer any question i asked you and i did answer your questions. I really would like to stop talking to you, because of this. We are not on the same page. Also you do not have to teach me anything, i know enough to expose you. Also you claimed in previous posts that you are a student and not a scholar, why do you not want to learn if this true. Stop calling me a liar, this is not nice, i have given proof of things i have claimed. Why did you not show the date of Saturnalia if it is true what you say? Why did you not google satanic holidays? Why do you keep on posting and pushing your point of view, while you know that i know the truth and that i will not accept this date as the start of ramadan? How can i see you as Muslim and not as pagan after you presented your views about ramadan?
I do not know if you are misguided and believes this or that you do this for an other reason, all i know is that 21-22 december is a satanic holiday and it can not be start of ramadan.
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You are a joke, please stop posting on my thread,
dnt worry i know you are afraid this is my last post in which i do some more jokes (truths)..
. I do not need your posts on my thread, because you say that on 21-22 december ramadan starts.
can you tell me where did i say... all the time i was telling you to keep study things from these sources .. including quran and non quranic views.. then decide in the light of these facts...
I already explained that this is Saturnalia a satanic holiday. If i was on your place and this information came to me than i would investigate it and i would reject this date as the start of ramadan. You still want to believe what you want to believe, so stop posting and go on else where.
yeh i did investigate it .. and here is a link of my investigation..
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia
see you want me to stop speaking truth about your information
You ask me where i showed you that you are a liar, my answer is when you said it is 17 december and not 21-22 december. You lied also when you said that satanic rituals on this date have no legal or official history.
i already in my post told you the events of 21st december and 22nd december,, here one more time..
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_21
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_22Also you answer a question with a question, that is very rude. Also you did not answer any question i asked you and i did answer your questions. I really would like to stop talking to you, because of this.
oh my God you really want to run away but you forget the rule of lie.. for one lie u have to cover up with 100 lies,, i think thats what happening with you right now..
, i have given proof of things i have claimed.
really..where. the entering in your house from front gate thats your proof
Why did you not google satanic holidays?
i already did..
Why do you keep on posting and pushing your point of view,
lol no i did not.. not even in any single post.. and i did not claim anything its you who is claiming..
How can i see you as Muslim and not as pagan after you presented your views about ramadan?
so if someone have different views than somebody else, its mean he is pagan.. thats what you want to tell us..
or do you have a knowledge of unseen and you can differentiate between beleiver and pagan by this,,
see how afraid you are.. my advise is to you do astagfar.. about your lies... becoz the base of lies are very weak...
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Peace the guided one
the articles recommended to you by Scribbler are very clear. I read them fast, but to what I saw, they are correct to my understanding of when to start and stop the fast. The perverted Muslims stop fast at sunset, but let them be, for the blind there is no difference between day and night.
Now, according to my understanding, the month begins when the new moon is sighted, and I stop fasting until I sight the new moon of the next month.
2185The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights the month, let him fast it;
2189They ask you, , about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed.Now, the calendar I follow Is the one used in the middle east, because it is impossible to know otherwise the current month. Many conjecture that Ramadan means The hottest month, but to me is just a name like December. Furthermore, even if it used to be the hottest month in mecca, in pre-Islamic era, the pagans were accused of intercalateing/inserting months to make important dates fall on the most convenient time for them. See, the unbeliever reformist are again doing the same.
The lunar calendar moves throughout the Solar year/seasons, so hopefully we will live to see a ramadan in winter, just as the jewish, who also follow also lunar calendar, have their religious holidays moving throughout the solar year/seasons.
regarding your understanding of 2189...enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed. only God know the true meaning.
Mahamad Assad comentary said this166 I.e., true piety does not consis t in approaching questions of faith through a "back door", as it were- that is,'through mere observance of the forms and periods set for the performance of various religious duties (cf. 2177). However important these forms and time-limits may be in themselves, they do not fulfil their real purpose unless every act is approached through its spiritual "front door", that is, through God-consciousness.My opinion is that it says not to be like the hypocrites that do things believing that what is important is to be inside, so they try to fool God and the believers, but they only fool themselves. To me, the way you get in, is more important than just to be inside.
I do not see Allah saying i should not smoke when fasting, what do you think? Tradition says that we do not smoke when fasting or is it also from Quran?
One cannot forbid what Allah does not, that is a great sin. If you consider cigarettes intoxicating stuff/adictive, then though not forbidden, there is a strong warning to abstain from them, so you should abstain from them ever. However, if you consider them food, then you only abtain from them during ramadan.
Pray/Ask Only God for understanding, and take nobody else as teacher besides him, for nobody can teach/give you The Truth.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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Brother Imaran,
you get your information from wikipedia LOL didn't i tell you to watch the youtube videos, i have put the link in my previous posts, maybe than you would understand what i am telling you, maybe than we could have a normal discussion.
You provided a link http//free-minds.org/night-decree and the night of decree is on Saturnalia, you are right i made a mistake it is not the claim from you that it is the beginning of ramadan, i understand when you send me this link that you think the same as the writer of this article or else you would not send me this link. Do you think that the most important night for Muslims is on 21-22 december?
And why i do not want you on my thread is because you keep on defending Saturnalia and it makes me sick, and you try to misguide Muslims telling them that a satanic celebration is the night of decree, shame on you!
http//www.theopenscroll.com/hosting/SatanicCalendar.htm
Dec 22 Winter Solstice
(Sabbat Festival)
(Feast Day) orgies oral, anal, vaginal any age (male or female, human or animal)http//www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal20.htm
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Winter Solstice - 13 weeks - Minor sabbath
a. December 21 - Yule
b. December 21-22 - Winter Solstice/Yule. One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights
c. February 1 and 2 - Candlemas and Imbolg, a.k.a. Groundhog's Day. One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights
d. February 14 - Valentine's Day -
Winter Solstice - 13 weeks
a. December 21- 22
Yule - When the sun begins its northward trek in the sky, and days began to grow longer again, pagans celebrated the Winter Solstice by burning the Yule log.
Since the sun had reversed itself and was now rising in the sky, pagans believed this was a sign that the human sacrifices carried out in Samhain (Halloween) had been accepted by the gods.
We continue to sing
"Deck the halls with boughs of holly ... troll the ancient Yuletide carol ... See the blazing Yule before us. Fa la la la la la la la."The Roman Catholic Church later changed the day of celebration to December 25, calling it Christmas.
Consider the pagan roots of our popular symbols of Christmas
(1) Christmas Tree - The sacred tree of the winter-god; Druids believed the spirit of their gods resided in the tree. Most ancient pagans knew the tree represented Nimrod reincarnated into Tammuz! Pagans also looked upon the tree as a phallic symbol.(2) Star - Pentalpha, the five-pointed star. The pentalpha is a powerful symbol of Satan, second only to the hexagram. The star is the sacred symbol of Nimrod, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
(3) Candles represent the sun-gods' newly-born fire. Pagans the world over love and use candles in their rituals and ceremonies. Certain colors are also thought to represent specific powers. The extensive use of candles is usually a very good indication that the service is pagan, no matter what the outward trappings might be.
(4) Mistletoe is the sacred plant of the Druids, symbolizing pagan blessings of fertility; thus, kissing under the mistletoe is the first step in the reproductive cycle! Witches also use the white berries in potions.
(5) Wreaths are circular, and so they represent the female sexual organs. Wreaths are associated with fertility and the "circle of life".
(6) Santa Claus - Former Satanists have told me that "Santa" is an anagram for "Satan". In the New Age, the god, "Sanat Kamura", is most definitely an anagram for "Satan". The mythical attributes and powers ascribed to Santa are eerily close to those possessed by Jesus Christ.
(7) Reindeer are horned animals representing the "horned-god" or the "stag-god" of pagan religion! Santa's traditional number of reindeer in his team is eight (; in Satanic gematria, eight is the number of "new beginnings", or the cycle of reincarnation. The Illuminati views the number "eight" as a symbol of their New World Order.
( Elves are imp-like creatures who are Santa's (Satan's) little helpers. They are also demons.
(9) Green and Red are the traditional colors of the season, as they are the traditional pagan colors of winter. Green is Satan's favorite color, so it is appropriate it should be one of the traditional colors for Christmas; red is the color of human blood, Satan's highest form of sacrifice - for this reason, Communism adopted red as it main color!
(10) December 25 is known as the "nativity" of the sun. This date is the birthday of Tammuz, the son, the reincarnation of the sun god. Traditionally, December 21 is known as Yule. The Roman Catholic Church moved the celebration of Yule to December 25.
(11) December 25 is also known to the Romans as "Saturnalia", a time of deliberate debauchery. Drinking through repeated toasting - known as 'wassail' - was a key to the debauchery of this celebration. Fornication was symbolized by the mistletoe, and the entire event was finished with a Great Feast, the Christmas Dinner.
(12) Even the name, "Christmas" is pagan! "Christi" meant "Christ", while "Mas" meant Mass. Since all pagan Masses are commemorating "death", the name, "Christmas" literally means the "death of Christ". A deeper meaning lies in the mention of "Christ" without specifying Jesus. Thus, Antichrist is in view here; the pagans celebrate "Christmas" as a celebration of their coming Antichrist, who will deal a death blow to the Jesus Christ of Christianity.
Early American Christian Pilgrims refused to celebrate this day.Please stop posting with last information i provided, i rest my case. Ask yourself who is guiding you and who the liar is. I am certainly not a liar and i have proof. You can read it and the rest can also read what happens 21 and 22 December. It is not possible that Allah would make such a night as the night of decree.
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Peace the guided one
the articles recommended to you by Scribbler are very clear. I read them fast, but to what I saw, they are correct to my understanding of when to start and stop the fast. The perverted Muslims stop fast at sunset, but let them be, for the blind there is no difference between day and night.
Now, according to my understanding, the month begins when the new moon is sighted, and I stop fasting until I sight the new moon of the next month.
2185The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights the month, let him fast it;
2189They ask you, , about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj." And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed.Now, the calendar I follow Is the one used in the middle east, because it is impossible to know otherwise the current month. Many conjecture that Ramadan means The hottest month, but to me is just a name like December. Furthermore, even if it used to be the hottest month in mecca, in pre-Islamic era, the pagans were accused of intercalateing/inserting months to make important dates fall on the most convenient time for them. See, the unbeliever reformist are again doing the same.
The lunar calendar moves throughout the Solar year/seasons, so hopefully we will live to see a ramadan in winter, just as the jewish, who also follow also lunar calendar, have their religious holidays moving throughout the solar year/seasons.
regarding your understanding of 2189...enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed. only God know the true meaning.
Mahamad Assad comentary said this166 I.e., true piety does not consis t in approaching questions of faith through a "back door", as it were- that is,'through mere observance of the forms and periods set for the performance of various religious duties (cf. 2177). However important these forms and time-limits may be in themselves, they do not fulfil their real purpose unless every act is approached through its spiritual "front door", that is, through God-consciousness.My opinion is that it says not to be like the hypocrites that do things believing that what is important is to be inside, so they try to fool God and the believers, but they only fool themselves. To me, the way you get in, is more important than just to be inside.
One cannot forbid what Allah does not, that is a great sin. If you consider cigarettes intoxicating stuff/adictive, then though not forbidden, there is a strong warning to abstain from them, so you should abstain from them ever. However, if you consider them food, then you only abtain from them during ramadan.Pray/Ask Only God for understanding, and take nobody else as teacher besides him, for nobody can teach/give you The Truth.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
Selam brother,
I think we should fast till night ( layl ), i also think that the new moon is the beginning of the month ramadan. The month ramadan has to have a meaning and it is a guidance from Allah, i believe this, because that is the only month that is mentioned by name. 2189 is about moons and to begin with a new moon. Maybe i am wrong and i will investigate this more to have a final conclusion.
About cigarettes i will investigate also more, it is not healthy so it must be forbidden.
Peace
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If anyone wants to discuss the night of decree i made a new topic and please go to http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608583.msg389074#msg389074 if you want to read or post, be my guest.
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Brother Imaran,
LIE thats not my name.. or u confused a lot ,, usually when somebody speaking or telling lie they slip their tounge..
You provided a link http//free-minds.org/night-decree and the night of decree is on Saturnalia,
another lie.... not me or the writer of article is sure about it ,, its closest understanding..
And why i do not want you on my thread is because you keep on defending Saturnalia and it makes me sick, and you try to misguide Muslims telling them that a satanic celebration is the night of decree, shame on you!
another lie i did not defend saturnaila or any irrelevant shit...
I am certainly not a liar and i have proof.
another lie... i exposed you already ..lol
It is not possible that Allah would make such a night as the night of decree.
another lie and big shirk,, Allah do whatever he wills, he is not bound under ur likness or dislikeness or your opinion..
are you messenger that telling us what God think or do ..
stop covering your lies ,, i already told you the formula of one lie is ,,, u have to speak 100 lies to cover one ,, its up to you..
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LIE thats not my name.. or u confused a lot ,, usually when somebody speaking or telling lie they slip their tounge..
another lie.... not me or the writer of article is sure about it ,, its closest understanding..another lie i did not defend saturnaila or any irrelevant shit...
another lie... i exposed you already ..lol
another lie and big shirk,, Allah do whatever he wills, he is not bound under ur likness or dislikeness or your opinion..
are you messenger that telling us what God think or do ..
stop covering your lies ,, i already told you the formula of one lie is ,,, u have to speak 100 lies to cover one ,, its up to you..
you did not expose me, you do not have one statement to expose or show me how you exposed me
and if you are not sure why are you defending it and why did you send the link, again you tell me i am liar, but you do not tell what i am lying,you are a jokewhat is shirk? That i do not believe that Allah would make such a night as the night of decree? It is not possible that this is the night of decree, because angels come to earth and they protect people, so i am happy you said this, now i have full proof that the date never can be 21-22 December, when sacrifices take places for satan.
You know Allah says that on the night of decree people are protected by angels till dawn. The night of decree is a peaceful night. And not a night full of horror.971
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Indeed, We sent the Qur'an down during the Night of Decree.972
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And what can make you know what is the Night of Decree?SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
The Night of Decree is better than a thousand months.974
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The angels and the Spirit descend therein by permission of their Lord for every matter.975
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971Indeed, We sent the Qur'an down during the Night of Decree
973The Night of Decree is better than a thousand months.
443 Indeed, We sent it down during a blessed night. Indeed, We were to warn .
2185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion...Acording to the previous verses, the night of decree was in the month of Ramadan. I am not going to claim that I know what it means, for my lord has not given me a concrete understanding of that parable. But, what I am sure of is that those who claim that the night of decree, and thus ramadan, is in December 21 are very ignorant people. the reason is that this world experiences two longest nights, one in december 21/22 for the north pole, and one in June 20/22 for the south pole. If we were to believe such nonsense, then we will have two ramadans in a solar cycle(a year).
*In the Northern Hemisphere, the four astronomical seasons are
Spring = March Equinox to June Solstice;
Summer= June Solstice to September Equinox;
Fall (autumn) = September Equinox to December Solstice; and,
Winter = December Solstice to March Equinox.*Argentina, which is in the southern hemisphere, has four seasons winter (June?August), spring (September?November), summer (December?February) and autumn (March?May).
I do not know what the night of decree is, but I am sure that it is all from our lord, and only the ignorant are seeking the meaning behind it in order to lead many astray.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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Peace
971Indeed, We sent the Qur'an down during the Night of Decree
973The Night of Decree is better than a thousand months.
443 Indeed, We sent it down during a blessed night. Indeed, We were to warn .
2185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion...Acording to the previous verses, the night of decree was in the month of Ramadan. I am not going to claim that I know what it means, for my lord has not given me a concrete understanding of that parable. But, what I am sure of is that those who claim that the night of decree, and thus ramadan, is in December 21 are very ignorant people. the reason is that this world experiences two longest nights, one in december 21/22 for the north pole, and one in June 20/22 for the south pole. If we were to believe such nonsense, then we will have two ramadans in a solar cycle(a year).
*In the Northern Hemisphere, the four astronomical seasons are
Spring = March Equinox to June Solstice;
Summer= June Solstice to September Equinox;
Fall (autumn) = September Equinox to December Solstice; and,
Winter = December Solstice to March Equinox.*Argentina, which is in the southern hemisphere, has four seasons winter (June?August), spring (September?November), summer (December?February) and autumn (March?May).
I do not know what the night of decree is, but I am sure that it is all from our lord, and only the ignorant are seeking the meaning behind it in order to lead many astray.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
I just like you do not know when night of decree is, but i know it can not be 21-22 December and not 21-22 Juni. I made a new thread to show that this never can be night of decree http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608583.msg389074#msg389074
I also believe that traditional ramadan never could have been manipulated. This would have been difficult even by hadith books. How could Muslims worldwide change the holy month all of a sudden. that is not possible i think.
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I also believe that traditional ramadan never could have been manipulated. This would have been difficult even by hadith books. How could Muslims worldwide change the holy month all of a sudden. that is not possible i think.
There are so many things we are not sure of.
What do we really know about history? We were not there.
In any case, I don't think anything changed all of a sudden. Changes can happen quickly, but they don't come into the scene out of the blue.
Like you said, it is unlikely that load of people all over the world suddenly change a ritual at the same time. So if there was a change, then this is probably not the way it happened. There are many unknowns in history, and many assumptions.Peace
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There are so many things we are not sure of.
What do we really know about history? We were not there.
In any case, I don't think anything changed all of a sudden. Changes can happen quickly, but they don't come into the scene out of the blue.
Like you said, it is unlikely that load of people all over the world suddenly change a ritual at the same time. So if there was a change, then this is probably not the way it happened. There are many unknowns in history, and many assumptions.Peace
What about the ritual self, how did that come into existence?