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Common misconceptions about Islam - help needed

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    Wakas
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    w/salaam imfromjakarta,

    Sorry, didn't see your post.

    2948 And not did you recite from before it from/any (the) writ/book, and nor did you write it with your hand. In that case, the falsifiers would have doubted.

    Interestingly, I found that most translations of this verse may be incorrect/misleading. See corpus for word by word.

    I have not studied it, but seems to imply If the messenger did recite a prior book/writ or write it with his hand, then the opponents/falsifiers would have reason to doubt, i.e. he's did this before, hence the doubt about what he's reciting/writing now.

    I would be interested to know if the "min" in "min kitabin" can mean "any book" or "from (the) book", or both.

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      kFalcon
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      Hello Peace and blessings to you all.

      I am a new user here but long time lurker. I'm not going to introduce myself here, though.

      I want to congratulate you on your efforts for the website about misconceptions in islam.

      Wakas, would you be adding anything about homosexuality to your website?
      Having read through many posts on this forum I have seen differing views on whether it is forbidden or discouraged or allowed.

      I don't want to derail the topic as I know many other threads have been started about this subject.

      Thank you.
      Peace

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        Wakas
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        peace,

        I may consider adding it but I need the content first

        Please see

        Suggest a misconception here and write a short Quran-based article for it. See the many examples on the sites above for a guide.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Wakas
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          kFalcon, I forgot to say there is a page on it
          http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/islam-homosexuality.htm

          The site is almost reaching 30k pages view per month now. Spread the word!

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            Wakas
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            A new homepage for the twin site www.learn-about-islam.com

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              Wakas
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              New misconception added

              http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/muhammad-human.html

              Spread the word on facebook, forums, blogs etc.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Taro_Hiroshi
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                Peace Wakas and everyone else,

                New misconception added

                http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/muhammad-human.html

                Spread the word on facebook, forums, blogs etc.

                Good article.

                Here are a few more misconceptions about islam

                1. No freedom of speech in islam.

                Wrong There are several verses in the Quran which suggests that the freedom of speech is compatible with the Quran (see 4140, 7180, 1065, 2013, 2764, 2855 and 334.

                1. All women have to wear Hijab in a muslim country.

                Wrong This Quranic law/commandment is only for believing women (see 2431 and 3359). In other words, this verse is speaking to women who are mumins. This verse is not speaking to women who are muslims.

                1. Everyone among the people of the book are Kafirs.

                Wrong See this this post.

                1. Muslim women can not marry men the people of the book.

                Wrong There are no Quranic verses which suggests that muslim women can marry the people of the book. But there are also no Quranic verses which state that muslim women can't marry people of the book. Thus, the notion that muslim women can't marry men among the people of the book is non-quranic/extra-quranic.

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                  1. All women have to wear Hijab in a muslim country.

                  Wrong This Quranic law/commandment is only for believing women (see 2431, 3359). In other words, this verse is speaking to women who are mumins. This verse is not speaking to women who are muslims.

                  I disagree that wearing hijab is a commandment for anyone (even mumins).

                  There's already an article about it on the misconceptions site http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

                  Concerning verse 2431, not all translations translate "bikhumurihinna" as head-covering (http//islamawakened.com/quran/24/31/). Some of them use the word veil or shawl. A veil covers the head, but a shawl doesn't always, and can either cover the head or the shoulders.

                  And then there's the structure of the verse 2431. I feel that this verse may be addressing a specific group of women. These women may have been wearing headcovers, or not - I personally feel that it doesn't matter in this argument. Anyways. The prophet is commanded to tell the "believing women" something. So here we have the subject of the verse the believing women that the prophet is commanded to address. These women in question "cast their shawls over their cleavage." It only means they have to cover themselves, their chests. These specific women that the prophet is addressing may be wearing headcovers, or shawls. Whatever it is, now I know the current dress code of these women. They are wearing some type of garment, but they are not wearing anything to cover their chests. They are told that they should use the garments they are wearing to cover their chests. That's all the verse says. So we should cover our chests. Nowhere in the verse is it explicitly stated that a woman is obligated to cover her head.

                  Verse 3359 does also not discuss a headcover or "hijab" at all. God only says in this verse that we should cover ourselves. A connection cannot be made between the two using only the information the verse provides.

                  I've seen people try to use verse 3333 as an argument for hijab too, but it doesn't work, as 3333 is only addressing the prophet's wives (see 3332).

                  Peace. )

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                    Taro_Hiroshi
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                    Peace Comrox,

                    I disagree that wearing hijab is a commandment for anyone (even mumins).

                    When I used the word Hijab, I wasn't referring to headcover. I should have used another quranic word or have formulated my sentence in a different way. On my list of misconceptions, I should have written this instead All women should cover their cleavage."

                    Off course you right. How could I make such a foolish mistake? This sucks. P Haha.

                    And then there's the structure of the verse 2431. I feel that this verse may be addressing a specific group of women. They are wearing some type of garment, but they are not wearing anything to cover their chests. They are told that they should use the garments they are wearing to cover their chests. That's all the verse says. So we should cover our chests. Nowhere in the verse is it explicitly stated that a woman is obligated to cover her head.

                    You are right. I completely agree with you.

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                      Wakas
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                      peace TH, all,

                      Just read your post. The following has been added
                      http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/freedom-speech-islam.htm

                      Also the following has been written but I'm not sure if this misconception is widespread enough to warrant inclusion
                      http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/noah-flood-global.htm

                      Feedback welcome.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        And why cover the cleavage? Because a woman may be kind not to arouse any man sexually, especially those who would wish to abstain from this world. She can expose the cleavage to anyone who does not care, but if she is caring she might still not.

                        Do not you get it? The covering is in order not to arouse any males (or females) sexually and is the purpose and not some purposeless divine law.

                        Be well
                        Amenuel

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                          huruf
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                          And why cover the cleavage? Because a woman may be kind not to arouse any man sexually, especially those who would wish to abstain from this world. She can expose the cleavage to anyone who does not care, but if she is caring she might still not.

                          Do not you get it? The covering is in order not to arouse any males (or females) sexually and is the purpose and not some purposeless divine law.

                          Be well
                          Amenuel

                          Men are not the beneficiaries of 24.31, women are. Skin of he bossom is the most vulnerable of all the bodyand so it is what is underneath. It is a matter of health to protect it. Apart form that it i really a bother to have people gook at it, although in societies where women and people i general go about undressed that should not be a problem. Again both sexes have been told to guard their their sight on that count. Women do not have to guard males sight. Men are not tied or made in such a way that they cannot move their eyes or their head in any way they want, exacly like women. They have ordered to guard it and not delegating such a thing on women, so they should do it and stop behaving like spoilt children that need a mammi all the time. It is pitiful and it is not imposible nor farfetched that they have self-composure. They are quite capable of it if they care to do so.

                          Salaam

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                            Comrox
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                            Hm, covering could also be related to self esteem. A lot of men and women suffer from low self esteem. If people aren't covering their bodies, this leads to comparison. People judge and criticize others. People judge and criticize themselves. If everyone's dressed modestly, they don't have to compare themselves to you and you don't have to compare yourself to them.

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                              reel
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                              Hm, covering could also be related to self esteem. A lot of men and women suffer from low self esteem. If people aren't covering their bodies, this leads to comparison. People judge and criticize others. People judge and criticize themselves. If everyone's dressed modestly, they don't have to compare themselves to you and you don't have to compare yourself to them.

                              People will always find a way to complain someone's body. Even in countries where people are conservative about covering have this weird obsession towards who is fat and who is skinny. Even for clothes, there are shallow social rules related to how much they cost, what materials they have, etc (

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                                huruf
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                                I do not want to start poisoning anything, but I think that Saudi women are famous for pending an awful amount of money on cosmetic, jewels and expensive high fashion. The cover very much, but I suppose they arrange themselve to make all that expensive stuff visible. Which lso goes to show that the Qur'an is 100% in 24.31 even without thinking of poor men feeling aroused.

                                Salaam

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                                  Wakas
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                                  Please remain on topic. This thread is about ideas for and writing of misconceptions.

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    misconception regarding shaking hands.. and
                                    magic can harm you .
                                    women are less intelligent or foolish
                                    women lead men astray in case of adam and eve
                                    cannot eat any non muslim food
                                    cannot marry non muslim
                                    apart from muslim everybody will go to hell
                                    jihad is very appealable and one must do it if needed
                                    the first question in the grave will be the were you regular conduct your contact prayers(traditional one five)
                                    if somebody sleeping while his legs are towards kabba its permissible to kill him..
                                    and lot more...

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                                      Wakas
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                                      Thanks. The site is primarily aimed at non-Muslims so some of those may not be suitable.

                                      Most articles have now been translated into Urdu
                                      http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/urdu/

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        Thanks. The site is primarily aimed at non-Muslims so some of those may not be suitable.

                                        Most articles have now been translated into Urdu
                                        http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/urdu/

                                        its great work... but the translation of verses is traditional one..

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                                          Adam_The_Warner
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                                          Often we see this facebook posts with "Rules of war according to Mohammed/Islam" with the rule "Do not cut down the trees".

                                          But what do we read in the Quran

                                          595 Whether you cut down a tree or left it standing on its root, it was with the permission of God. He will surely humiliate the wicked.

                                          May our Lord guide us.

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