Takes time to reach God?

Man_of_Faith

Yet another contradiction in the interpretation of Quran. The problem is that medieval clerics and scholars fabricated an interpretation on top of an otherwise innocent text...

Be well
Amenuel

HP_TECH

Familiarize yourself a bit with 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D.
It would seem as if we are 3D creatures in a nD(infinite dimensional because Allah is Infinite) world.
We cannot comprehend, imagine or visualize the actuality of matter and things.
Imagine looking at a building. You are facing one side of it. You don't see what's behind it but you know it has multiple sides but you cannot view it at once. This is because we perceive objects two-dimensionally.
Imagine being able to see all sides of the building at once and literally encompassing what is behind it above, it underneath it, inside it and etc. That is only a glimpse of 4D perspective which is most assuredly one infinitismal of the perspective of The Supreme Creator.
I mention this because it might aid you somehow in comprehending Allah is said to encompass ALL creation.
Allah encompasses the heavens and the earth from His established Authority/Throne

For example for us "3D" beings we can draw a box or cube on paper and view it 2D.
Technically a 4D entity could draw a box 3Dimensionally and rotate it to in any each orientation.

Because Our Creator is infinitely dimensional He encompasses all things while simultaneously being Ever-Able to manipulate/exert power/authority over His infinitismal dimensional creation.
But His Established Throne is above/beyond the regions of creation (heavens and earth).
The heavens and the earth are possibly finite which is why it would seem it would take time for matter which is also finite to reach the extremity of the regions of Creation, while Allah Our Lord is infinite and can reach and manipulate creation instantly.

This is my current understanding.
Hope it helps

Points to reflect

What is Al-amar (the matter}?

How Al-amar reaches to a place?

Peace

I agree, we need to further investigate the verse and look at the words and roots.

The contradiction is in the reader's interpretation and understanding for certain

PS I re-edited my post do glance over

truthseeker11

Peace everyone,

Thank you for the replies.

The problem I see is whatever "al-amar" is and however it reaches a place, it shouldn't matter, because God is everywhere and it (whatever it is) should reach God in zero time. Any possible thing in any possible universe in any possible nth dimension in any possible scenario should have zero access time to God. God is not limited by the "Branes" (if they exist)

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory#Branes

The sign does not talk about "al-amar" reaching extremity of the regions of creation, or about reaching "kursiy" or "3arsh" (throne), but about reaching God (who is everywhere - 2115). The quran does not run out of words if it wants to indicate a "throne" instead of God.
Similar problem with the following

704 The angels and the spirit ascend to him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years.

God is everywhere, so the angels and the spirit should be able to reach God in zero time.

Additionally, God "settling" upon a "throne" (324) also goes against God being everywhere. "Those who carry the throne" (407) implies that the throne is not everywhere, because if it is everywhere then no need to carry!

Peace

Jafar

In regards of God and Time,
I agree with definition as supposedly said by Jesus..

And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
-- Matt 6

My God is called as "The Father" by Jesus..

And also as defined by Lao Tse

The Tao is like a well used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void filled with infinite possibilities.
It is hidden but always present.
Since before time and space were, the Tao is.
It is beyond is and is not.
-- Tao The Ching

My God is called as "Tao" by Lao Tse..

The more I read Tao The Ching, the more I amazed by it's content..
Although definitely the book is not "Authored by God" or claimed to be one..
Nor inside you will find a threat that Tao will torture you for all eternity if you don't believe in Tao The Ching.

I mean, how 2500 years ago, a chinese can say such thing.. as if Lao Tse knew that Time and Space are intertwined with each others, inseparable, merely an illusion, a creation that has a beginning and an end.

The things which only know human be able to grasp and find a conclusive evidence of it's truthfulness..

Time and Space is not a limitation to God / Tao / The Father..
He knew things before it happened, because he's there even when there is no time and space..

Novice

The problem I see is whatever "al-amar" is and however it reaches a place, it shouldn't matter, because God is everywhere and it (whatever it is) should reach God in zero time.

Al-amar is not a physical entity and neither is God. God manages affairs in what way....Everything acts under a set of rules. When an affair starts it matures as per God's Law e.g. birth of a star...Once it starts, it reaches to its death/maturity in certain time as per laws established by God for this creation. When a matter starts and reaches its end it is said to return to God in my humble understanding.

The time required from start to finish of a matter is different for different matters.

326

The meaning of Yaum is not a day. It could mean any time period. So all matters reach their end as per God's Law in a time which we count in our time reference.

The sign does not talk about "al-amar" reaching extremity of the regions of creation, or about reaching "kursiy" or "3arsh" (throne), but about reaching God (who is everywhere - 2115). The quran does not run out of words if it wants to indicate a "throne" instead of God.
Similar problem with the following

704 The angels and the spirit ascend to him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years.

God is everywhere, so the angels and the spirit should be able to reach God in zero time.

Additionally, God "settling" upon a "throne" (324) also goes against God being everywhere. "Those who carry the throne" (407) implies that the throne is not everywhere, because if it is everywhere then no need to carry!

Do you believe that throne is physical throne? This understanding is not compatible with the concept of God. God is not a physical entity and does not reside or stay in a particular place. Throne is used to describe power and control. Of course God has power/control of all His creation.

God bless you

truthseeker11

Peace Novice,

Thank you for your interpretation.

"Yawm" can mean any time period and could be figurative but in 325 it is equated to "one thousand Earth years", which is not figurative and doesn't make sense according to your interpretation. Similarly in 704, "fifty thousand years" is not figurative. If the Earth years were not mentioned in 325 then your interpretation would have made complete sense.

Power/control always stays with God, so how can God "then settle upon power/control"?

The phrasing "then settled upon throne" clearly indicates a sequence in which during creation of heaven and earth God was not settled on "throne", THEN God settled on "throne" after creation was done. This makes no sense with "power/control" interpretation.

May the Creator bless you too.

Novice

"Yawm" can mean any time period and could be figurative but in 325 it is equated to "one thousand Earth years", which is not figurative and doesn't make sense according to your interpretation. Similarly in 704, "fifty thousand years" is not figurative. If the Earth years were not mentioned in 325 then your interpretation would have made complete sense.

Peace truthseeker11

I did not say yaum is figurative. When God decides to do a thing His command is 'KUN". Next stage is "FA YAKUN" i.e. action starts to fulfill the command. Now this process can take any amount of time to get completed in our perception.

Power/control always stays with God, so how can God "then settle upon power/control"?

The phrasing "then settled upon throne" clearly indicates a sequence in which during creation of heaven and earth God was not settled on "throne", THEN God settled on "throne" after creation was done. This makes no sense with "power/control" interpretation.

In my humble view there is no time sequence here. God created and then did not leave His creation alone but He manages all affairs with full control.

I gave my understanding and of course you don't have to agree with it.

Salaam

imrankhawaja

infact the question is contradiction itself...

the throne is actually a dominon of God and power of his authority at highest most heaven...in worldy language a person operting a bank account in switzerland does not necessarily sitting there... he is controlling his swiss account from there.. by walk a post man need 1 earth year.. car need 1 earth month. aeroplane need 6 earth hours... from where , let say from jerusalem.... its about a person...

now come to God , he is not a perosn or physical being , God is present every where.. but the matters keepers(controllers) put the matters somewhere secured and the time is their travellingtime at what speed what time zone we have no idea... they just deposit their task where it assigned to them... may be all angels also have specific duties like , as we know the insttruction of death angel is to transport our rooh/real self to a protected place. and then come back on duty again... and same there are matters that need to be done of everything...

for God nothing is time space,

but for creation including angels they have limits, assinged to them,, we see the limits of angels there , not the limit of God...

when God is saying everywhere its mean law of time may be not what we are watching or observing,, we know the stars some of them are finished ages ago but we stiil see them becoz its the relativity ..

the pinnt where big bang start , if somebody stand beyond the place which is more than 13.7 billion years away and then fold it we can also see bigbang , something according to einstien... theory...

problem started when we try to measure or calculate God... with earthly laws.. possible one second of earth is equal to million years of a place what we have no knowledge offf...

i did not see any contradcition at all...

one topic is about speed/traveeling/space/ regarding a space what we know as throne/dominon of authoruty..where limits finished for creations...of any type...including angels...
one topic is about the calculation of God.. clearly two different things...(present every where every time) even when there was not a time God was present...

let say 13.7 billion years ago it was not a time what we know today... there was a God...
multipply this 13.7 to infinity of time still God present coz he initiate all creation matter time space.. by just a billionth part of his master source.. billionth = (metaphorically infinite by default)... lol

if we wish to count the age/ending of numbers we know numbers never end it will go for infinty one need infinite time to count infinite numbers...

when numbers cant be counted at its full how come the creator of all these things you are calculating.. lads ... got it or not...

peace

Man_of_Faith

Hello Imran,

now come to God , he is not a perosn or physical being , God is present every where.. but the matters keepers(controllers) put the matters somewhere secured and the time is their travellingtime at what speed what time zone we have no idea... they just deposit their task where it assigned to them... may be all angels also have specific duties like , as we know the insttruction of death angel is to transport our rooh/real self to a protected place. and then come back on duty again... and same there are matters that need to be done of everything...

There is no need for transportation. Something not made of the mass of this world does not need to move around in it.

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace to All,

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4- the Angels and the Spirit (=i.e. Gabriel, =16/102) ascend to HIM (=AL-LAH)
in a day whose length/measure is fifty thousand years.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4)

Here is what I can essentially infer from the above Verse

All of these Angels together with Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) perfectly leading them above
--(ascending unimaginably much faster than speed of Light)--

thus after passing beyond all boundaries (=i.e. boundaries of all incomprehensibly vast Universe/s)
must continue thereafter to go (through an immensely vast void wherein there is absolute nothingness no matter/energy at all therein)
at least for a fifty thousand years more (in our calculation here)
--(again ascending unimaginably much faster than speed of Light therein)--

finally, to be able to ascend to our Lord AL-LAH at the end of their magnificent Ascent above.

Thereby, I essentially infer that our Lord AL-LAH (for lack of a better word here) Individually/Personally is
absolutely above and beyond all unimaginably vast Universe/s above us
(=i.e. HE is Individually/Personally thus absolutely Separate/Distinct above all HIS Creation);
in other words, our Lord AL-LAH is thus absolutely above and beyond all things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us.

and thereby, most importantly, it means
No one and Nothing was never and is never and will never be a "portion/share/part/piece" of our Lord AL-LAH,
because HE is Individually/Personally thus absolutely Separate/Distinct above all HIS Creation.

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15- And they even assigned to HIM a portion/share/piece/part (=juzan) of HIS own servants (=for example
by mistakenly or wrongfully claiming that
Angels or/and Jesus or/and all Humans, collectively, or/and all Things, completely were/are a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM)!
Surely, the human being is profoundly unappreciative.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15)

Thereby, I strongly believe that this is what caused

deification/idolizing of Angels
(=i.e. Arabs in the time of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) always mistakenly or wrongfully claimed that
Lat, Uzza and Manat (=so called female Angels therein) were in essence a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM, as HIS daughters)!
(=53/19-23 & 43/19-21)

and deification/idolizing of Jesus
(=i.e. many Christians still mistakenly or wrongfully claim that
Jesus was in essence a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM, as a perfect manifestation of HIS Self or/and thus also HIS Son
--perfectly identical to his Father in Spiritual and Bodily Form)!

*This is the Satanic "Messiah Dajjal" (=Anti Christ) ideology
which is utterly condemned by our Lord AL-LAH in Quran Testament (=5/72-74)

and deification/idolizing of all Humans, collectively,
(=i.e. many Christians and Jews still mistakenly or wrongfully claim that
they also are in essence a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM, as HIS Sons
--basically identical to their Father in Spiritual and Bodily Form)!

*This is again the Satanic "Messiah Dajjal" (=Anti Christ) ideology
which is utterly condemned by our Lord AL-LAH in Quran Testament (=5/17-1

and deification/idolizing of all Things, completely,
(=i.e. many Sects in/among many Religions, worldwide, still mistakenly or wrongfully claim that
all Universe/s together whatever/whoever in it are in essence a "portion/share/piece/part" of HIM,
as HIS manifestations (of some sense, some kind)!
*This caused and still causes deification/idolizing of Sun and Moon, and many other Stars, etc.,
or deification/idolizing of many --deranged-- Humans who may still come out from within/among every sects
(who thinks of and presents themselves to be a manifestation of God in some kind, in some sense),
or deification/idolizing of some animals (Hindus still do it enthusiastically),
or deification/idolizing of any other inanimate objects, throughout the history of humankind.
(QURAN TESTAMENT 7/102 = 12/106 & 41/37-38 & 43/19-28 & .......)

Because at the root of this Blasphemies above is always
this --(in my opinion, totally mistaken or/and utterly wrongful)-- Claim that
"God should not be considered Separate/Distinct above His Creation,
but all Creation and God should be deemed as Unified/One!"

I strongly believe that
for this Reason this above Verse (=70/4) in QURAN TESTAMENT
is one of the most Fundamental and important Verse,
in the respect that
it clearly and unmistakably indicates to us the Fact that

our Lord AL-LAH Individually/Personally is absolutely above and beyond all unimaginably vast Universe/s above us

(=i.e. HE is Individually/Personally thus absolutely Separate/Distinct above all HIS Creation);

in other words,
our Lord AL-LAH is thus absolutely above and beyond all things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4)

and thereby, most importantly, it means
No one and Nothing was never and is never and will never be a "portion/share/part/piece" of our Lord AL-LAH,

because HE is Individually/Personally thus absolutely Separate/Distinct above all HIS Creation.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15)

Remain in peace/salaam.

truthseeker11

Peace LastDay3,

What you said violates and contradicts 2115.

2115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the presence of God. God is infinite, knowledgeable.

"Wherever" is "everywhere" even down to the tiniest fundamental building block.

If God is separate from its creation then the statement "wherever you turn there is the presence of God" will not be true, because when you turn towards the space occupied by creation (no matter how small) you will not find the presence of God.

If you keep breaking down matter into tinier particles, eventually you end up with nothing physical but vibrating strings of energy, which are nothing but a portion of the infinite Creator. The "physical" is just a temporary illusion. All forces of nature are fundamentally one per Grand Unified Theory. Energy and matter are interconvertible.

"Noor" is nothing but energy and the vibrating strings of which all matter is formed are also energy. That is why the quran says

2435 God is the noor of the heavens and the earth...............

God manifested its noor (the intelligent energy) as physical illusion of matter and eventually it will return to its original state (termed return to your lord 22.

Peace

truthseeker11

Peace Imran.

the throne is actually a dominon of God and power of his authority at highest most heaven...

Evidence of red portion from the quran?

The dominion of God and God's power/control are everywhere, not in a central location or a particular place. God is everywhere and has power/control everywhere and has no need to "settle" on a metaphysical "throne" once done with creation. That would make no sense, even with interpretation of "power/control".

now come to God , he is not a perosn or physical being , God is present every where.. but the matters keepers(controllers) put the matters somewhere secured and the time is their travellingtime at what speed what time zone we have no idea... they just deposit their task where it assigned to them... may be all angels also have specific duties like , as we know the insttruction of death angel is to transport our rooh/real self to a protected place. and then come back on duty again... and same there are matters that need to be done of everything...

The signs don't say "return to a protected place", but "return to God". Novice's brilliant interpretation makes total sense as far as that is concerned. The only problem is the fixed Earth years given in the sign which cannot be interpreted figuratively, and he has been unable to resolve this obvious problem in his interpretation. If Earth years were not mentioned in that sign, then Novice's interpretation would resolve the issue. Even if the sign had not said "which you count", then the "one thousand years" could have been interpreted figuratively as well (by which I mean "any amount of time&quot.

Peace

Noon_waalqalami

Peace,

2247 and they ask you to hasten in the punishment and never fails the god promise his and surely day of near/with lord your like thousand sanatin from what thou reckoning

The above is not about transmission speeds like 100 Gigabit/sec or latency e.g. at light speed takes time.

http//cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/howlongdoesi.png

The above verse seem rather basic relativity...

1 day = 0.236 seconds
1 month = 7.2 seconds
1 year = 86.4 seconds
100 years = 2.4 hours
1000 years = 1 day

1418 ... in day (period of time) stormy

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701 asked questioner in punishment and real
702 for the skeptics not is for it any preventer
703 from the god owner the stairways
704 ascends the angels and the spirit toward him in day (period of time) be measure its fifty thousand sanatin
705 so be patient patience of beautiful of
706 surely they see it far
707 and we see it near of

imrankhawaja

Peace Imran.

Evidence of red portion from the quran?

u dnt need any evidence my brother i will give you demo not evidence lol just kidding here you go some gifts

574 He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth in six stages,
and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control.
He knows all that enters the earth and all that comes out of it,
and all that descends from the sky, and all that ascends therein.
And He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seer of what you do.

infact this verse is the summary of what i say.. but honestly i disappointed by you i compare the examples of God works in earthly sense and according to weak human understanding ... but anyway forget about it.. read some more similar verses may b you get hint ..

2559 He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them,
in six days, then assumed all authority.
The Most Gracious; ask about Him those who are well founded in knowledge.,

324 God is the One who has created the heavens and the earth, and what is between them in six days,
then He settled upon the Throne/dominon You do not have besides Him any Lord, nor intercessor. Will you not then remember?

103 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and the earth in six days/periods
then He settled over the throne; He handles all affairs.
There is no intercessor except after His leave. Such is God your Lord, so serve Him. Would you not take heed?

117 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days,
and His Throne was upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best.
And when you say "You will be resurrected after the death," those who have rejected say "This is but clear magic!"

if you wish we can further proceed as i already know you will gona find lot of contradictions in it,, i will make it easy for you first thing will come in your mind,, throne on heavens, or on water? lol..

i remember my debates ten years ago with people who bring these type of childish questions but anyway i like you starting doing a careful reading of quran , in this way inshAllah you will learn a lot,,

peace God bless you

imrankhawaja

Hello Imran,

There is no need for transportation. Something not made of the mass of this world does not need to move around in it.

brother i try to explain situation according to worldy laws,, and human mind capacity,

becoz i dnt know how they controllers are recording us and delevring these things in their hard disk which is protected by firewall ,, lol

i dnt even know which make of camera angels are using to recording for us... is it iphone 6 or some digital camer of sony ..i really have no idea...

i dnt even kn ow what transport are they using is it speed mail,,, airr mail, or royal mail ... peace

but for making somebody understnd i need to give examples what they know... acroding to their understanding...

like you also understand scripture by roots and sometimes you also use synonyms of words to better understand the logic .. but i understand what you want us to get conveyed.. same my style is in easy mode ... lol

peace

LastDay3

Peace LastDay3,

What you said violates and contradicts 2115.

2115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the presence of God. God is infinite, knowledgeable.

"Wherever" is "everywhere" even down to the tiniest fundamental building block.

If God is separate from its creation then the statement "wherever you turn there is the presence of God" will not be true,
because when you turn towards the space occupied by creation (no matter how small) you will not find the presence of God.

Salaam/Peace TruthSeeker11,

this is how I understand that Verse, first of all,
here

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115- And to AL-LAH belong the East and the West,
so wherever you turn, there is the "Face of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Seeing & Hearing & Controlling & Governing "Power of AL-LAH" =20/46 & 57/4 & 58/7 & ......
X
Not the Individual/Personal "Presence of AL-LAH"
because HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s,
all Things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us, that only Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) and all those Angels with Him can reach there
in fifty-thousand years,
as we have clearly witnessed it in this Verse =70/4 in my previous post above).

Certainly, AL-LAH is Encompassing (=Wasiun everywhere & everything with HIS such
Absolute "Knowledge" & "Mercy" here =7/156 & 20/98 & 40/7 & ......), Knowledgeable.

QURAN TESTAMENT 2/115

I believe the exact similar/same Understanding is absolutely valid
for all of these Allegorical Terms in QURAN TESTAMENT, here

"Face of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Seeing & Hearing & Controlling & Governing "Power of AL-LAH" =13/22 & ......
"Hands of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Granting & Helping "Power of AL-LAH" =5/64 & ......
"Eyes of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Watching & Guarding "Power of AL-LAH" =20/39 & ......

In any of these Allegorical Terms above
the Individual/Personal "Presence of AL-LAH" is Not indicated therein,

because again, HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s,
all Things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us, that only Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) and all those Angels with Him can reach there
in fifty-thousand years,
as we have clearly witnessed it in this Verse, in the first place =70/4
in my previous post above).

If you keep breaking down matter into tinier particles, eventually you end up with nothing physical but vibrating strings of energy,
which are nothing but a portion of the infinite Creator.
The "physical" is just a temporary illusion.

Those "vibrating strings of energy" (when/if they are proven to be correct) can Never be a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
they are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, (=7/54)

So, AL-LAH can annihilate all of those "vibrating strings of energy" and whole Universe and matter, completely, into nothingness,
whenever HE wills so,
and then HE Himself does Not lose a thing of HIS Individual/Personal Presence (=28/88),

because they were/are Never a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15),
but they were/are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, in the very Beginning of HIS Creation here (=7/54).

"Noor" is nothing but energy and the vibrating strings of which all matter is formed are also energy. That is why the quran says

2435 God is the noor of the heavens and the earth...............

God manifested its noor (the intelligent energy) as physical illusion of matter and eventually it will return to its original state (termed return to your lord 22.

Peace

Again, in my Understanding, those vibrating strings are only "Universal Energy" created by AL-LAH unto/within this Universe here,
in the very Beginning of HIS Creation (=6/1),

but AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) which shines absolutely unto Everywhere/Everything --(including
unto all of those vibrating strings you are talking about),
is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct from all Things we can ever imagine --(including all of those vibrating strings you are talking about).

Because AL-LAH (=HIS Individual/Personal Presence at HIS Highest Station above =70/4,
and HIS Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) which shines absolutely unto Everywhere/Everything here (=24/35)
from HIS Highest Station above =70/4,

can Never be detected by Humans (with no technological devices whatsoever) here =6/103.

Only those who commemorate AL-LAH wholeheartedly and constantly may be granted by AL-LAH
with HIS Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) to shine upon them and absolutely surround/permeate them
(=24/35) from HIS Highest Station above =70/4

to give them absolute Happiness & Serenity & Joy & Security (=10/62-64),
Constantly, here and in the Hereafter, forever, inshaAL-LAH. (=24/35-38)

Remain in peace/salaam.

Man_of_Faith

Those "vibrating strings of energy" (when/if they are proven to be correct) can Never be a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
they are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, (=7/54)

So, AL-LAH can annihilate all of those "vibrating strings of energy" and whole Universe and matter, completely, into nothingness,
whenever HE wills so,
and then HE Himself does Not lose a thing of HIS Individual/Personal Presence (=28/8,

because they were/are Never a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15),
but they were/are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, in the very Beginning of HIS Creation here (=7/54).

The "vibrating strings of energy" is measurable just because of the affection they cause in the world. Energy itself IS INVISIBLE. You cannot see electricity with your eyes. They know about the atom through predictions based on circumstantial measurements.

But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, but obviously Rabb can also destroy something formed of the "vibrating strings of energy" by dissolving it splitting the atoms from the molecules. But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form, and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.

If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science. It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics. The knowledge of mankind is limited, but the observations they are doing can reveal a whole lot, e.g. a hint about the nature of the world.

Be well
Amenuel

LastDay3

But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, .............

I strongly disagree;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,

but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called as

RABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).

(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)

But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form,
and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.

Yes, I essentially agree,
because it is Scientifically true that "Energy cannot be created out of nothing and cannot be destroyed into nothing,"
but I believe this is Valid only with regard to all creatures (=i.e. humans, angels, jinns, extraterrestrials, whatever else there may exist out there)
because all of these creatures absolutely canNot create Energy out of nothing and canNot destroy it into nothingness,"

but AL-LAH is The Only ONE
Who created the whole Universe/s --(even if there were Universes/s before or beyond our Universe)-- out of nothing
in the very Beginning (=6/101) and Can Absolutely Destroy them and everything in them into nothingness
when/if HE wills so.
(QURAN TESTAMENT 28/88 & ........)

If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science.
It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics.
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Be well
Amenuel

Thank you, dear friend/brother, for the good Advice,
but I am already trying (with the best of my ability) to follow the progress mankind is having on empirically testable Science and quantum physics,

but I believe I also have absolute "AL-LAH Given Right" unto me (and unto all of HIS Servants, equally)

to clearly reject the mere Speculations (such as vibrating strings of energy are Rabb, or vibrating strings of energy are a portion/fragment of Rabb, etc. .........)
that is unjustifiably/crookedly/mistakenly/wrongfully inferred from Science and quantum physics;

as they are absolutely rejected and refuted in the QURAN TESTAMENT (=43/15 & 6/101 & 28/88 & .......)!

Remain in peace/salaam.

good_logic

Peace All.

I agree with LastDay3 here

I strongly disagree ;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,

but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called as

RABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).

(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)

I may also add that the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy", but in no way they are Rabb!!!
Rabb is unique,independent of all creations.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

truthseeker11

Peace good logic,

"vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb

Logical fallacy of strawman. I never said they are rabb. Bad logic as usual.

They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor), otherwise 2115 will be falsified and rabb will be finite and limited. An individual cell of your body cannot be called "good logic" but the collection of trillions of cells can be called "good logic". Of course this is not a complete analogy; rabb is infinitely more than all creation combined.

It is ok if you cannot grasp this concept yet, but you eventually will when you reach higher dimensional states. Billions of people are spiritually sleeping but all of them will eventually wake up.

the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy"

That is what I was implying.

May the infinite Creator bless you.

Peace