Takes time to reach God?
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Peace LastDay3,
What you said violates and contradicts 2115.
2115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the presence of God. God is infinite, knowledgeable.
"Wherever" is "everywhere" even down to the tiniest fundamental building block.
If God is separate from its creation then the statement "wherever you turn there is the presence of God" will not be true, because when you turn towards the space occupied by creation (no matter how small) you will not find the presence of God.
If you keep breaking down matter into tinier particles, eventually you end up with nothing physical but vibrating strings of energy, which are nothing but a portion of the infinite Creator. The "physical" is just a temporary illusion. All forces of nature are fundamentally one per Grand Unified Theory. Energy and matter are interconvertible.
"Noor" is nothing but energy and the vibrating strings of which all matter is formed are also energy. That is why the quran says
2435 God is the noor of the heavens and the earth...............
God manifested its noor (the intelligent energy) as physical illusion of matter and eventually it will return to its original state (termed return to your lord 22.
Peace
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Peace Imran.
the throne is actually a dominon of God and power of his authority at highest most heaven...
Evidence of red portion from the quran?
The dominion of God and God's power/control are everywhere, not in a central location or a particular place. God is everywhere and has power/control everywhere and has no need to "settle" on a metaphysical "throne" once done with creation. That would make no sense, even with interpretation of "power/control".
now come to God , he is not a perosn or physical being , God is present every where.. but the matters keepers(controllers) put the matters somewhere secured and the time is their travellingtime at what speed what time zone we have no idea... they just deposit their task where it assigned to them... may be all angels also have specific duties like , as we know the insttruction of death angel is to transport our rooh/real self to a protected place. and then come back on duty again... and same there are matters that need to be done of everything...
The signs don't say "return to a protected place", but "return to God". Novice's brilliant interpretation makes total sense as far as that is concerned. The only problem is the fixed Earth years given in the sign which cannot be interpreted figuratively, and he has been unable to resolve this obvious problem in his interpretation. If Earth years were not mentioned in that sign, then Novice's interpretation would resolve the issue. Even if the sign had not said "which you count", then the "one thousand years" could have been interpreted figuratively as well (by which I mean "any amount of time".
Peace
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Peace,
2247 and they ask you to hasten in the punishment and never fails the god promise his and surely day of near/with lord your like thousand sanatin from what thou reckoning
The above is not about transmission speeds like 100 Gigabit/sec or latency e.g. at light speed takes time.
http//cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/howlongdoesi.png
The above verse seem rather basic relativity...
1 day = 0.236 seconds
1 month = 7.2 seconds
1 year = 86.4 seconds
100 years = 2.4 hours
1000 years = 1 day1418 ... in day (period of time) stormy
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701 asked questioner in punishment and real
702 for the skeptics not is for it any preventer
703 from the god owner the stairways
704 ascends the angels and the spirit toward him in day (period of time) be measure its fifty thousand sanatin
705 so be patient patience of beautiful of
706 surely they see it far
707 and we see it near of -
Peace Imran.
Evidence of red portion from the quran?
u dnt need any evidence my brother i will give you demo not evidence lol just kidding here you go some gifts
574 He is the One Who has created the heavens and earth in six stages,
and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control.
He knows all that enters the earth and all that comes out of it,
and all that descends from the sky, and all that ascends therein.
And He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seer of what you do.infact this verse is the summary of what i say.. but honestly i disappointed by you i compare the examples of God works in earthly sense and according to weak human understanding ... but anyway forget about it.. read some more similar verses may b you get hint ..
2559 He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them,
in six days, then assumed all authority.
The Most Gracious; ask about Him those who are well founded in knowledge.,324 God is the One who has created the heavens and the earth, and what is between them in six days,
then He settled upon the Throne/dominon You do not have besides Him any Lord, nor intercessor. Will you not then remember?103 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and the earth in six days/periods
then He settled over the throne; He handles all affairs.
There is no intercessor except after His leave. Such is God your Lord, so serve Him. Would you not take heed?117 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days,
and His Throne was upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best.
And when you say "You will be resurrected after the death," those who have rejected say "This is but clear magic!"if you wish we can further proceed as i already know you will gona find lot of contradictions in it,, i will make it easy for you first thing will come in your mind,, throne on heavens, or on water? lol..
i remember my debates ten years ago with people who bring these type of childish questions but anyway i like you starting doing a careful reading of quran , in this way inshAllah you will learn a lot,,
peace God bless you
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Hello Imran,
There is no need for transportation. Something not made of the mass of this world does not need to move around in it.
brother i try to explain situation according to worldy laws,, and human mind capacity,
becoz i dnt know how they controllers are recording us and delevring these things in their hard disk which is protected by firewall ,, lol
i dnt even know which make of camera angels are using to recording for us... is it iphone 6 or some digital camer of sony ..i really have no idea...
i dnt even kn ow what transport are they using is it speed mail,,, airr mail, or royal mail ... peace
but for making somebody understnd i need to give examples what they know... acroding to their understanding...
like you also understand scripture by roots and sometimes you also use synonyms of words to better understand the logic .. but i understand what you want us to get conveyed.. same my style is in easy mode ... lol
peace
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Peace LastDay3,
What you said violates and contradicts 2115.
2115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the presence of God. God is infinite, knowledgeable.
"Wherever" is "everywhere" even down to the tiniest fundamental building block.
If God is separate from its creation then the statement "wherever you turn there is the presence of God" will not be true,
because when you turn towards the space occupied by creation (no matter how small) you will not find the presence of God.Salaam/Peace TruthSeeker11,
this is how I understand that Verse, first of all,
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115- And to AL-LAH belong the East and the West,
so wherever you turn, there is the "Face of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Seeing & Hearing & Controlling & Governing "Power of AL-LAH" =20/46 & 57/4 & 58/7 & ......
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Not the Individual/Personal "Presence of AL-LAH"
because HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s,
all Things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us, that only Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) and all those Angels with Him can reach there
in fifty-thousand years,
as we have clearly witnessed it in this Verse =70/4 in my previous post above).Certainly, AL-LAH is Encompassing (=Wasiun everywhere & everything with HIS such
Absolute "Knowledge" & "Mercy" here =7/156 & 20/98 & 40/7 & ......), Knowledgeable.QURAN TESTAMENT 2/115
I believe the exact similar/same Understanding is absolutely valid
for all of these Allegorical Terms in QURAN TESTAMENT, here"Face of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Seeing & Hearing & Controlling & Governing "Power of AL-LAH" =13/22 & ......
"Hands of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Granting & Helping "Power of AL-LAH" =5/64 & ......
"Eyes of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Watching & Guarding "Power of AL-LAH" =20/39 & ......In any of these Allegorical Terms above
the Individual/Personal "Presence of AL-LAH" is Not indicated therein,because again, HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s,
all Things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us, that only Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) and all those Angels with Him can reach there
in fifty-thousand years,
as we have clearly witnessed it in this Verse, in the first place =70/4
in my previous post above).If you keep breaking down matter into tinier particles, eventually you end up with nothing physical but vibrating strings of energy,
which are nothing but a portion of the infinite Creator.
The "physical" is just a temporary illusion.Those "vibrating strings of energy" (when/if they are proven to be correct) can Never be a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
they are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, (=7/54)So, AL-LAH can annihilate all of those "vibrating strings of energy" and whole Universe and matter, completely, into nothingness,
whenever HE wills so,
and then HE Himself does Not lose a thing of HIS Individual/Personal Presence (=28/88),because they were/are Never a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15),
but they were/are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, in the very Beginning of HIS Creation here (=7/54)."Noor" is nothing but energy and the vibrating strings of which all matter is formed are also energy. That is why the quran says
2435 God is the noor of the heavens and the earth...............
God manifested its noor (the intelligent energy) as physical illusion of matter and eventually it will return to its original state (termed return to your lord 22.
Peace
Again, in my Understanding, those vibrating strings are only "Universal Energy" created by AL-LAH unto/within this Universe here,
in the very Beginning of HIS Creation (=6/1),but AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) which shines absolutely unto Everywhere/Everything --(including
unto all of those vibrating strings you are talking about),
is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct from all Things we can ever imagine --(including all of those vibrating strings you are talking about).Because AL-LAH (=HIS Individual/Personal Presence at HIS Highest Station above =70/4,
and HIS Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) which shines absolutely unto Everywhere/Everything here (=24/35)
from HIS Highest Station above =70/4,can Never be detected by Humans (with no technological devices whatsoever) here =6/103.
Only those who commemorate AL-LAH wholeheartedly and constantly may be granted by AL-LAH
with HIS Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) to shine upon them and absolutely surround/permeate them
(=24/35) from HIS Highest Station above =70/4to give them absolute Happiness & Serenity & Joy & Security (=10/62-64),
Constantly, here and in the Hereafter, forever, inshaAL-LAH. (=24/35-38)Remain in peace/salaam.
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Those "vibrating strings of energy" (when/if they are proven to be correct) can Never be a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
they are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, (=7/54)So, AL-LAH can annihilate all of those "vibrating strings of energy" and whole Universe and matter, completely, into nothingness,
whenever HE wills so,
and then HE Himself does Not lose a thing of HIS Individual/Personal Presence (=28/8,because they were/are Never a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15),
but they were/are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, in the very Beginning of HIS Creation here (=7/54).The "vibrating strings of energy" is measurable just because of the affection they cause in the world. Energy itself IS INVISIBLE. You cannot see electricity with your eyes. They know about the atom through predictions based on circumstantial measurements.
But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, but obviously Rabb can also destroy something formed of the "vibrating strings of energy" by dissolving it splitting the atoms from the molecules. But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form, and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.
If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science. It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics. The knowledge of mankind is limited, but the observations they are doing can reveal a whole lot, e.g. a hint about the nature of the world.
Be well
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But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, .............
I strongly disagree;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called asRABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).
(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)
But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form,
and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.Yes, I essentially agree,
because it is Scientifically true that "Energy cannot be created out of nothing and cannot be destroyed into nothing,"
but I believe this is Valid only with regard to all creatures (=i.e. humans, angels, jinns, extraterrestrials, whatever else there may exist out there)
because all of these creatures absolutely canNot create Energy out of nothing and canNot destroy it into nothingness,"but AL-LAH is The Only ONE
Who created the whole Universe/s --(even if there were Universes/s before or beyond our Universe)-- out of nothing
in the very Beginning (=6/101) and Can Absolutely Destroy them and everything in them into nothingness
when/if HE wills so.
(QURAN TESTAMENT 28/88 & ........)If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science.
It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics.
...................Be well
AmenuelThank you, dear friend/brother, for the good Advice,
but I am already trying (with the best of my ability) to follow the progress mankind is having on empirically testable Science and quantum physics,but I believe I also have absolute "AL-LAH Given Right" unto me (and unto all of HIS Servants, equally)
to clearly reject the mere Speculations (such as vibrating strings of energy are Rabb, or vibrating strings of energy are a portion/fragment of Rabb, etc. .........)
that is unjustifiably/crookedly/mistakenly/wrongfully inferred from Science and quantum physics;as they are absolutely rejected and refuted in the QURAN TESTAMENT (=43/15 & 6/101 & 28/88 & .......)!
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Peace All.
I agree with LastDay3 here
I strongly disagree ;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called asRABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).
(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)
I may also add that the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy", but in no way they are Rabb!!!
Rabb is unique,independent of all creations.
GOD bless you.
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Peace good logic,
"vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb
Logical fallacy of strawman. I never said they are rabb. Bad logic as usual.
They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor), otherwise 2115 will be falsified and rabb will be finite and limited. An individual cell of your body cannot be called "good logic" but the collection of trillions of cells can be called "good logic". Of course this is not a complete analogy; rabb is infinitely more than all creation combined.
It is ok if you cannot grasp this concept yet, but you eventually will when you reach higher dimensional states. Billions of people are spiritually sleeping but all of them will eventually wake up.
the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy"
That is what I was implying.
May the infinite Creator bless you.
Peace
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- The problem I see is whatever "al-amar" is and however it reaches a place, it shouldn't matter, because God is everywhere and it (whatever it is) should reach God in zero time.
- Similar problem with the following
704 The angels and the spirit ascend to him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years.
God is everywhere, so the angels and the spirit should be able to reach God in zero time.
- Additionally, God "settling" upon a "throne" (324) also goes against God being everywhere. "Those who carry the throne" (407) implies that the throne is not everywhere, because if it is everywhere then no need to carry!
Peace,
God is everywhere? In dog poop? In a pig?
In a cow, so when we slaughter it we slaughter a part of God? nopepolice
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Peace huruf,
God is the onlything that is.
bravo bravo bravo yay yay yay group
May the infinite Creator/Rabb bless you,
Peace
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Peace huruf,
bravo bravo bravo yay yay yay group
May the infinite Creator/Rabb bless you,
Peace
Thank you truthseeker, bless God bless you too and all of us in this forum and all people.
What creation is with respect to God I have put forward as a mathal or parable that Creation is like the dream of God. It is not God, but it is not outside God either. It has no existence by itself, but we are from Him, another mathal, like His sweat.
Only human dreamers do not dream at will, and I guess God does dream whatever He wills and as much forcefully as He wills.
Salaam
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Peace Jafar,
Is The Universe A Hologram?
https//youtu.be/iNgIl-qIklUThank you for the enlightening video.
The positive channelings from positive higher dimensional beings confirm this concept of us being multi-dimensional beings existing in multiple dimensions of space/time, apparently simultaneously
http//www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1981/1981_0310_book_2.aspx
The following videos are interviews of Sherry Wilde who was contacted by higher dimensional aliens and taken aboard their UFO and they taught her the lessons of oneness of the infinite Creator, that the Creator is the only thing there is, that we are multi-dimensional beings who exist in multiple dimensional levels, and the importance of surrendering our egos to the infinite Creator
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdmeAoBmcAA
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OkMjcIaFZsPeace
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Peace all,
Anyone can cross reference the usage of "wajh" in the quran and see that it cannot mean "power" as used in the quran. Additionally no classical Arabic dictionary gives this meaning. The meaning of "power" for "wajh" in the quran is a conjecture and fabrication.
The quran consistently uses words derived from the root "qaf-waw-ya" to mean power, especially in relation to God, for example "quwwata" (2165, 1839, 5158, 8120).
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
To anyone who twists meaning of quranic words like this, and deceives/misguides/misleads others
Peace be upon you, we do not seek the ignorant (2855, 2563).
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But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb
this statement is not true in light of this
1124 and there is nothing that could be compared with Him.
peace
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They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor)
this is also wrong in light of this...
1121 Say, "He is God, the One and Unique.
1122 "God, the Absolute/First-cause,the Indivisible,the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being,Absolutely Independent
1123 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten
1124 And there is absolutely none like Him."/nothing that could be compared with Him/there is none who is His equal.God bless you