Takes time to reach God?
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But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, .............
I strongly disagree;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called asRABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).
(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)
But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form,
and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.Yes, I essentially agree,
because it is Scientifically true that "Energy cannot be created out of nothing and cannot be destroyed into nothing,"
but I believe this is Valid only with regard to all creatures (=i.e. humans, angels, jinns, extraterrestrials, whatever else there may exist out there)
because all of these creatures absolutely canNot create Energy out of nothing and canNot destroy it into nothingness,"but AL-LAH is The Only ONE
Who created the whole Universe/s --(even if there were Universes/s before or beyond our Universe)-- out of nothing
in the very Beginning (=6/101) and Can Absolutely Destroy them and everything in them into nothingness
when/if HE wills so.
(QURAN TESTAMENT 28/88 & ........)If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science.
It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics.
...................Be well
AmenuelThank you, dear friend/brother, for the good Advice,
but I am already trying (with the best of my ability) to follow the progress mankind is having on empirically testable Science and quantum physics,but I believe I also have absolute "AL-LAH Given Right" unto me (and unto all of HIS Servants, equally)
to clearly reject the mere Speculations (such as vibrating strings of energy are Rabb, or vibrating strings of energy are a portion/fragment of Rabb, etc. .........)
that is unjustifiably/crookedly/mistakenly/wrongfully inferred from Science and quantum physics;as they are absolutely rejected and refuted in the QURAN TESTAMENT (=43/15 & 6/101 & 28/88 & .......)!
Remain in peace/salaam.
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Peace All.
I agree with LastDay3 here
I strongly disagree ;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called asRABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).
(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)
I may also add that the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy", but in no way they are Rabb!!!
Rabb is unique,independent of all creations.
GOD bless you.
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Peace good logic,
"vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb
Logical fallacy of strawman. I never said they are rabb. Bad logic as usual.
They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor), otherwise 2115 will be falsified and rabb will be finite and limited. An individual cell of your body cannot be called "good logic" but the collection of trillions of cells can be called "good logic". Of course this is not a complete analogy; rabb is infinitely more than all creation combined.
It is ok if you cannot grasp this concept yet, but you eventually will when you reach higher dimensional states. Billions of people are spiritually sleeping but all of them will eventually wake up.
the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy"
That is what I was implying.
May the infinite Creator bless you.
Peace
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- The problem I see is whatever "al-amar" is and however it reaches a place, it shouldn't matter, because God is everywhere and it (whatever it is) should reach God in zero time.
- Similar problem with the following
704 The angels and the spirit ascend to him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years.
God is everywhere, so the angels and the spirit should be able to reach God in zero time.
- Additionally, God "settling" upon a "throne" (324) also goes against God being everywhere. "Those who carry the throne" (407) implies that the throne is not everywhere, because if it is everywhere then no need to carry!
Peace,
God is everywhere? In dog poop? In a pig?
In a cow, so when we slaughter it we slaughter a part of God? nopepolice
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Peace huruf,
God is the onlything that is.
bravo bravo bravo yay yay yay group
May the infinite Creator/Rabb bless you,
Peace
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Peace huruf,
bravo bravo bravo yay yay yay group
May the infinite Creator/Rabb bless you,
Peace
Thank you truthseeker, bless God bless you too and all of us in this forum and all people.
What creation is with respect to God I have put forward as a mathal or parable that Creation is like the dream of God. It is not God, but it is not outside God either. It has no existence by itself, but we are from Him, another mathal, like His sweat.
Only human dreamers do not dream at will, and I guess God does dream whatever He wills and as much forcefully as He wills.
Salaam
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Peace Jafar,
Is The Universe A Hologram?
https//youtu.be/iNgIl-qIklUThank you for the enlightening video.
The positive channelings from positive higher dimensional beings confirm this concept of us being multi-dimensional beings existing in multiple dimensions of space/time, apparently simultaneously
http//www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1981/1981_0310_book_2.aspx
The following videos are interviews of Sherry Wilde who was contacted by higher dimensional aliens and taken aboard their UFO and they taught her the lessons of oneness of the infinite Creator, that the Creator is the only thing there is, that we are multi-dimensional beings who exist in multiple dimensional levels, and the importance of surrendering our egos to the infinite Creator
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdmeAoBmcAA
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OkMjcIaFZsPeace
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Peace all,
Anyone can cross reference the usage of "wajh" in the quran and see that it cannot mean "power" as used in the quran. Additionally no classical Arabic dictionary gives this meaning. The meaning of "power" for "wajh" in the quran is a conjecture and fabrication.
The quran consistently uses words derived from the root "qaf-waw-ya" to mean power, especially in relation to God, for example "quwwata" (2165, 1839, 5158, 8120).
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
To anyone who twists meaning of quranic words like this, and deceives/misguides/misleads others
Peace be upon you, we do not seek the ignorant (2855, 2563).
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But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb
this statement is not true in light of this
1124 and there is nothing that could be compared with Him.
peace
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They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor)
this is also wrong in light of this...
1121 Say, "He is God, the One and Unique.
1122 "God, the Absolute/First-cause,the Indivisible,the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being,Absolutely Independent
1123 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten
1124 And there is absolutely none like Him."/nothing that could be compared with Him/there is none who is His equal.God bless you
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Peace,
God is everywhere? In dog poop? In a pig?
In a cow, so when we slaughter it we slaughter a part of God? nopepolice
God is located within everything = wrong...
the observance and watching of God is on everything everywhere.. even whats inside the atom is in the knowledge/authority/control/observation of God..
where God is located, we cannot fully understand.. but we know atleast this heavens and earth whatever is observable to us his dominon of supreme power and authoriity covers that all... and it may be just a cup of tea for him in a big unlimited departmenetaal store of his authoriity and controlling...
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Peace Imran,
this is also wrong in light of this...
1121 Say, "He is God, the One and Unique.
1122 "God, the Absolute/First-cause,the Indivisible,the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being,Absolutely Independent
1123 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten
1124 And there is absolutely none like Him."/nothing that could be compared with Him/there is none who is His equal.,
Logical fallacies of false premise and unwarranted assumption.-
If creation is not part of the Creator then the Creator would be finite and limited. The Creator would be separate from the creation, therefore the Creator will end somewhere and creation would begin somewhere, and then 2115 is falsified because then the Creator will not be everywhere.
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1121 indicates unity of the Creator which actually indicates all creation is part of the Creator. There is nothing other than the infinite Creator in reality. So 1121 actually is evidence that creation is part of the Creator. "Ahad" means one/unity not "unique". Please don't deliberately mistranslate.
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Per 1124 the Creator is still unique even when creation is its part because the creation is not comparable to the Creator.
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In 1122 you are mistranslating "samad". Show me where it means "indivisible" if you are truthful, otherwise it would be a blatant lie from you.
Sad-Miim-Dal = chief, lord, eternal, one to whom obedience is rendered, one to whom recourse is had, one who is independent, everything goes back to him as its source.
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
The last meaning actually indicates all creation is part of the Creator because the Creator is the source and everything goes back to the source eventually. So 1122 actually proves that all creation is part of the Creator.
Please do not invent/fabricate meanings to deceive/mislead/misguide others.
378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.
Peace
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If creation is not part of the Creator then the Creator would be finite and limited. The Creator would be separate from the creation, therefore the Creator will end somewhere and creation would begin somewhere,
+1 to that..
I heard the same argument from a Jewish Rabbi around 15 years ago...
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Peace Imran,
Logical fallacies of false premise and unwarranted assumption.
peaace truth seeker,
logical fallacy is from your end
creation and creator not follow the same laws and rules..
creator of computer dnt need to become a computer for creating it...
how can you say if we are not a part of creation then creator will limited..?
what is the proof from quran everything is a part of creator...?
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Peace Imran,
what is the proof from quran everything is a part of creator...?
Read all my posts again. Jafar could see the quranic proof I gave but you couldn't. If you still don't see it then I have no medicine for that.
Peace.
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Peace Imran,
Read all my posts again. Jafar could see the quranic proof I gave but you couldn't. If you still don't see it then I have no medicine for that.
Peace.
medicine is for the people who are claiming something against God which they have no knowledge off... even the messengers did not claim what is the nature of God and how come you are so sure thats what the nature of creator, big claim without proof, and without the capacity of mind to understand the nature of creator...
peace
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- Additionally, God "settling" upon a "throne" (324) also goes against God being everywhere. "Those who carry the throne" (407) implies that the throne is not everywhere, because if it is everywhere then no need to carry!
Peace
Another verse about the throne, where the Day of Judgment is discussed
6917 And the angels will be on its borders; and the Throne of your Lord will be carried, above them on that Day, by eight.
Root ayn r shn
Ayn-Ra-Shiin = to construct/build, make trellis (for grape-wine), make a vine-stalk, roof, raise (a house or structure), settle. arsh - throne, arbour, pavillion, roof, power, dominion, sovereignty.
PRL doesn't show the root mm lm for carried/bore so I'm not sure what the meanings of that word could be. Even still, "above them" does seem to imply that a space/area is being used up.
Maybe there's a better explanation we'll see one day.