Takes time to reach God?

imrankhawaja

Hello Imran,

There is no need for transportation. Something not made of the mass of this world does not need to move around in it.

brother i try to explain situation according to worldy laws,, and human mind capacity,

becoz i dnt know how they controllers are recording us and delevring these things in their hard disk which is protected by firewall ,, lol

i dnt even know which make of camera angels are using to recording for us... is it iphone 6 or some digital camer of sony ..i really have no idea...

i dnt even kn ow what transport are they using is it speed mail,,, airr mail, or royal mail ... peace

but for making somebody understnd i need to give examples what they know... acroding to their understanding...

like you also understand scripture by roots and sometimes you also use synonyms of words to better understand the logic .. but i understand what you want us to get conveyed.. same my style is in easy mode ... lol

peace

LastDay3

Peace LastDay3,

What you said violates and contradicts 2115.

2115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the presence of God. God is infinite, knowledgeable.

"Wherever" is "everywhere" even down to the tiniest fundamental building block.

If God is separate from its creation then the statement "wherever you turn there is the presence of God" will not be true,
because when you turn towards the space occupied by creation (no matter how small) you will not find the presence of God.

Salaam/Peace TruthSeeker11,

this is how I understand that Verse, first of all,
here

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115- And to AL-LAH belong the East and the West,
so wherever you turn, there is the "Face of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Seeing & Hearing & Controlling & Governing "Power of AL-LAH" =20/46 & 57/4 & 58/7 & ......
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Not the Individual/Personal "Presence of AL-LAH"
because HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s,
all Things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us, that only Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) and all those Angels with Him can reach there
in fifty-thousand years,
as we have clearly witnessed it in this Verse =70/4 in my previous post above).

Certainly, AL-LAH is Encompassing (=Wasiun everywhere & everything with HIS such
Absolute "Knowledge" & "Mercy" here =7/156 & 20/98 & 40/7 & ......), Knowledgeable.

QURAN TESTAMENT 2/115

I believe the exact similar/same Understanding is absolutely valid
for all of these Allegorical Terms in QURAN TESTAMENT, here

"Face of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Seeing & Hearing & Controlling & Governing "Power of AL-LAH" =13/22 & ......
"Hands of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Granting & Helping "Power of AL-LAH" =5/64 & ......
"Eyes of AL-LAH" (=i.e. the Absolute Watching & Guarding "Power of AL-LAH" =20/39 & ......

In any of these Allegorical Terms above
the Individual/Personal "Presence of AL-LAH" is Not indicated therein,

because again, HIS Individual/Personal Presence is absolutely above and beyond all Universe/s,
all Things whatsoever we can ever imagine above us, that only Gabriel (Peace be upon Him) and all those Angels with Him can reach there
in fifty-thousand years,
as we have clearly witnessed it in this Verse, in the first place =70/4
in my previous post above).

If you keep breaking down matter into tinier particles, eventually you end up with nothing physical but vibrating strings of energy,
which are nothing but a portion of the infinite Creator.
The "physical" is just a temporary illusion.

Those "vibrating strings of energy" (when/if they are proven to be correct) can Never be a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
they are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, (=7/54)

So, AL-LAH can annihilate all of those "vibrating strings of energy" and whole Universe and matter, completely, into nothingness,
whenever HE wills so,
and then HE Himself does Not lose a thing of HIS Individual/Personal Presence (=28/88),

because they were/are Never a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15),
but they were/are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, in the very Beginning of HIS Creation here (=7/54).

"Noor" is nothing but energy and the vibrating strings of which all matter is formed are also energy. That is why the quran says

2435 God is the noor of the heavens and the earth...............

God manifested its noor (the intelligent energy) as physical illusion of matter and eventually it will return to its original state (termed return to your lord 22.

Peace

Again, in my Understanding, those vibrating strings are only "Universal Energy" created by AL-LAH unto/within this Universe here,
in the very Beginning of HIS Creation (=6/1),

but AL-LAH's Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) which shines absolutely unto Everywhere/Everything --(including
unto all of those vibrating strings you are talking about),
is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct from all Things we can ever imagine --(including all of those vibrating strings you are talking about).

Because AL-LAH (=HIS Individual/Personal Presence at HIS Highest Station above =70/4,
and HIS Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) which shines absolutely unto Everywhere/Everything here (=24/35)
from HIS Highest Station above =70/4,

can Never be detected by Humans (with no technological devices whatsoever) here =6/103.

Only those who commemorate AL-LAH wholeheartedly and constantly may be granted by AL-LAH
with HIS Individual/Personal Noor (=Light/Energy) to shine upon them and absolutely surround/permeate them
(=24/35) from HIS Highest Station above =70/4

to give them absolute Happiness & Serenity & Joy & Security (=10/62-64),
Constantly, here and in the Hereafter, forever, inshaAL-LAH. (=24/35-38)

Remain in peace/salaam.

Man_of_Faith

Those "vibrating strings of energy" (when/if they are proven to be correct) can Never be a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
they are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, (=7/54)

So, AL-LAH can annihilate all of those "vibrating strings of energy" and whole Universe and matter, completely, into nothingness,
whenever HE wills so,
and then HE Himself does Not lose a thing of HIS Individual/Personal Presence (=28/8,

because they were/are Never a "share/portion/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15),
but they were/are only Creation of AL-LAH unto/within this Universe, in the very Beginning of HIS Creation here (=7/54).

The "vibrating strings of energy" is measurable just because of the affection they cause in the world. Energy itself IS INVISIBLE. You cannot see electricity with your eyes. They know about the atom through predictions based on circumstantial measurements.

But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, but obviously Rabb can also destroy something formed of the "vibrating strings of energy" by dissolving it splitting the atoms from the molecules. But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form, and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.

If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science. It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics. The knowledge of mankind is limited, but the observations they are doing can reveal a whole lot, e.g. a hint about the nature of the world.

Be well
Amenuel

LastDay3

But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb, .............

I strongly disagree;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,

but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called as

RABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).

(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)

But energy itself CANNOT BE DESTROYED, it only takes a different form,
and that is empirically tested by scientists in a way it is indisputable and irrefutable.

Yes, I essentially agree,
because it is Scientifically true that "Energy cannot be created out of nothing and cannot be destroyed into nothing,"
but I believe this is Valid only with regard to all creatures (=i.e. humans, angels, jinns, extraterrestrials, whatever else there may exist out there)
because all of these creatures absolutely canNot create Energy out of nothing and canNot destroy it into nothingness,"

but AL-LAH is The Only ONE
Who created the whole Universe/s --(even if there were Universes/s before or beyond our Universe)-- out of nothing
in the very Beginning (=6/101) and Can Absolutely Destroy them and everything in them into nothingness
when/if HE wills so.
(QURAN TESTAMENT 28/88 & ........)

If you are to discuss this matter you better keep to logic by adhering to empirically testable science.
It is time for you friend to follow the progress mankind is having on such as quantum physics.
...................

Be well
Amenuel

Thank you, dear friend/brother, for the good Advice,
but I am already trying (with the best of my ability) to follow the progress mankind is having on empirically testable Science and quantum physics,

but I believe I also have absolute "AL-LAH Given Right" unto me (and unto all of HIS Servants, equally)

to clearly reject the mere Speculations (such as vibrating strings of energy are Rabb, or vibrating strings of energy are a portion/fragment of Rabb, etc. .........)
that is unjustifiably/crookedly/mistakenly/wrongfully inferred from Science and quantum physics;

as they are absolutely rejected and refuted in the QURAN TESTAMENT (=43/15 & 6/101 & 28/88 & .......)!

Remain in peace/salaam.

good_logic

Peace All.

I agree with LastDay3 here

I strongly disagree ;
for I believe "vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb,

but the whole universe/s, all matter and energy therein are absolutely and only Servant/s of the RABB,
for this reason AL-LAH is Rightfully called as

RABBU alSamawat wa alArd wa ma baynahuma (=LORD of the Universes/s and the Earth and whatever --matter/energy-- therein).

(QURAN TESTAMENT 19/65 & ........)

I may also add that the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy", but in no way they are Rabb!!!
Rabb is unique,independent of all creations.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

truthseeker11

Peace good logic,

"vibrating strings of energy" are NOT Rabb

Logical fallacy of strawman. I never said they are rabb. Bad logic as usual.

They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor), otherwise 2115 will be falsified and rabb will be finite and limited. An individual cell of your body cannot be called "good logic" but the collection of trillions of cells can be called "good logic". Of course this is not a complete analogy; rabb is infinitely more than all creation combined.

It is ok if you cannot grasp this concept yet, but you eventually will when you reach higher dimensional states. Billions of people are spiritually sleeping but all of them will eventually wake up.

the Lord may even radiate these "vibrating strings of energy"

That is what I was implying.

May the infinite Creator bless you.

Peace

hawk99

The problem I see is whatever "al-amar" is and however it reaches a place, it shouldn't matter, because God is everywhere and it (whatever it is) should reach God in zero time.
Similar problem with the following

704 The angels and the spirit ascend to him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years.

God is everywhere, so the angels and the spirit should be able to reach God in zero time.

Additionally, God "settling" upon a "throne" (324) also goes against God being everywhere. "Those who carry the throne" (407) implies that the throne is not everywhere, because if it is everywhere then no need to carry!

Peace,

God is everywhere? In dog poop? In a pig?
In a cow, so when we slaughter it we slaughter a part of God? nope

police

huruf

God is the onlything that is.

Salaam

truthseeker11

Peace huruf,

God is the onlything that is.

bravo bravo bravo yay yay yay group

May the infinite Creator/Rabb bless you,

Peace

huruf

Peace huruf,

bravo bravo bravo yay yay yay group

May the infinite Creator/Rabb bless you,

Peace

Thank you truthseeker, bless God bless you too and all of us in this forum and all people.

What creation is with respect to God I have put forward as a mathal or parable that Creation is like the dream of God. It is not God, but it is not outside God either. It has no existence by itself, but we are from Him, another mathal, like His sweat.

Only human dreamers do not dream at will, and I guess God does dream whatever He wills and as much forcefully as He wills.

Salaam

Jafar

Creation is like the dream of God.

Is The Universe A Hologram?
https//youtu.be/iNgIl-qIklU

truthseeker11

Peace Jafar,

Is The Universe A Hologram?
https//youtu.be/iNgIl-qIklU

Thank you for the enlightening video.

The positive channelings from positive higher dimensional beings confirm this concept of us being multi-dimensional beings existing in multiple dimensions of space/time, apparently simultaneously

http//www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1981/1981_0310_book_2.aspx

The following videos are interviews of Sherry Wilde who was contacted by higher dimensional aliens and taken aboard their UFO and they taught her the lessons of oneness of the infinite Creator, that the Creator is the only thing there is, that we are multi-dimensional beings who exist in multiple dimensional levels, and the importance of surrendering our egos to the infinite Creator

https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=YdmeAoBmcAA
https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OkMjcIaFZs

Peace

Zulf

What does 'ascend' and 'reach' mean in this context anyway?
I think contradictions only arise due to our ignorance.
In many cases, we have no idea about what we are talking.
We are mostly guessing, just as the quran says.

sun

truthseeker11

Peace all,

Anyone can cross reference the usage of "wajh" in the quran and see that it cannot mean "power" as used in the quran. Additionally no classical Arabic dictionary gives this meaning. The meaning of "power" for "wajh" in the quran is a conjecture and fabrication.

The quran consistently uses words derived from the root "qaf-waw-ya" to mean power, especially in relation to God, for example "quwwata" (2165, 1839, 5158, 8120).

378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.

To anyone who twists meaning of quranic words like this, and deceives/misguides/misleads others

Peace be upon you, we do not seek the ignorant (2855, 2563).

imrankhawaja

But the "vibrating strings of energy" are Rabb

this statement is not true in light of this

1124 and there is nothing that could be compared with Him.

peace
God bless you..

imrankhawaja

They are not rabb but a part of rabb (a tiny manifestation/extension/radiation of its noor)

this is also wrong in light of this...

1121 Say, "He is God, the One and Unique.
1122 "God, the Absolute/First-cause,the Indivisible,the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being,Absolutely Independent
1123 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten
1124 And there is absolutely none like Him."/nothing that could be compared with Him/there is none who is His equal.

God bless you

imrankhawaja

Peace,

God is everywhere? In dog poop? In a pig?
In a cow, so when we slaughter it we slaughter a part of God? nope

police

God is located within everything = wrong...

the observance and watching of God is on everything everywhere.. even whats inside the atom is in the knowledge/authority/control/observation of God..

where God is located, we cannot fully understand.. but we know atleast this heavens and earth whatever is observable to us his dominon of supreme power and authoriity covers that all... and it may be just a cup of tea for him in a big unlimited departmenetaal store of his authoriity and controlling...

truthseeker11

Peace Imran,

this is also wrong in light of this...

1121 Say, "He is God, the One and Unique.
1122 "God, the Absolute/First-cause,the Indivisible,the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being,Absolutely Independent
1123 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten
1124 And there is absolutely none like Him."/nothing that could be compared with Him/there is none who is His equal.

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Logical fallacies of false premise and unwarranted assumption.

If creation is not part of the Creator then the Creator would be finite and limited. The Creator would be separate from the creation, therefore the Creator will end somewhere and creation would begin somewhere, and then 2115 is falsified because then the Creator will not be everywhere.
1121 indicates unity of the Creator which actually indicates all creation is part of the Creator. There is nothing other than the infinite Creator in reality. So 1121 actually is evidence that creation is part of the Creator. "Ahad" means one/unity not "unique". Please don't deliberately mistranslate.
Per 1124 the Creator is still unique even when creation is its part because the creation is not comparable to the Creator.
In 1122 you are mistranslating "samad". Show me where it means "indivisible" if you are truthful, otherwise it would be a blatant lie from you.

Sad-Miim-Dal = chief, lord, eternal, one to whom obedience is rendered, one to whom recourse is had, one who is independent, everything goes back to him as its source.

http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

The last meaning actually indicates all creation is part of the Creator because the Creator is the source and everything goes back to the source eventually. So 1122 actually proves that all creation is part of the Creator.

Please do not invent/fabricate meanings to deceive/mislead/misguide others.

378 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.

Peace

Jafar

If creation is not part of the Creator then the Creator would be finite and limited. The Creator would be separate from the creation, therefore the Creator will end somewhere and creation would begin somewhere,

+1 to that..

I heard the same argument from a Jewish Rabbi around 15 years ago...
He was trying to explain to me why God is "Echad" and not "Yachid" in Hebrew..

imrankhawaja

Peace Imran,

Logical fallacies of false premise and unwarranted assumption.

peaace truth seeker,

logical fallacy is from your end

creation and creator not follow the same laws and rules..

creator of computer dnt need to become a computer for creating it...

how can you say if we are not a part of creation then creator will limited..?

what is the proof from quran everything is a part of creator...?