Which things are predetermined before you are Born?
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If someone determined your death in advance it was predetermined. Otherwise you have a part in shaping your end.
Be well
Amenuel -
i have similar question? if things are not predetermined, everyone want to born in rich person house... he want best shape, face, life?
but what is the purpose of life then... the characters who took the trust already know how they will born, die and spend life... but they accepted it.. after that if removes from their memories..
again oone question come the perosn who is wicked he also se what he is doing why did he picked up the test... if he picked up was he not aware he will going to lose himself in this trust... some questions and logics are really difficult to understand
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Peace to everyone
Is the day you will die predetermined ?
What about other things?Peace
You mean by God?
The true God doesn't have any constraint of time...
Thus.. whether all event are pre determined then the answer is yes..
Because the limitation / veil of time is only applicable to mortal beings such as human.. -
Peace all,
As far as free will and predestination is concerned, I don't believe there is any predestination. Free will was given by the Infinite Creator to the lower densities of existence to increase polarity, thereby increasing the experience. When there is no free will there is only "good" (service to others) and everything is predestined. The presence of free will automatically implies the presence of "bad" (service to self) pathway which causes a polarity of "good" and "bad" and exponentially increases the various experiences, and the logical deduction is that there is no predestination.
The Infinite Creator is outside the bounds of space and time and can see the past, present, and future of the lower density existence at the same time. There is no actual past, present, or future in reality. Time is just an ILLUSION and only the lower densities are bound by space and time. There is a past, present, and future only from our perspective and not from the Infinite Creator's perspective. So just because the Infinite Creator "knows the future" does not mean there is predestination, or absence of free will in our 3rd density state of existence.
I can give an analogy by the concept of a time machine. Suppose you use a time machine to travel to the future and see the actions of Jafar in the future, and then come back to the present. Now you know what Jafar is going to do in future, but that does not mean that Jafar did not have free will to perform his actions, or that he was predestined to perform those actions. "Knowledge of future actions" of 3rd density beings by the Infinite Creator does not mean the 3rd density beings have no free will or that they are predestined to perform their actions.
No free will = predestination ------> Only "positive" or service to others pathway ("negative" pathway impossible).
Free will = no predestination ------> Both "positive" service to others pathway and "negative" service to self pathway.The lower density beings can use this gift of free will to either speed up their evolution to the higher density positive existence by choosing the service to others path, and hastening the return back to the Infinite Creator ("heaven", or can slow down their evolution by choosing the service to self path, thereby delaying the return back to the Infinite Creator ("hell". Remaining in the same density existence, or progression into a negative higher density existence is a direct "consequence" of the action of choosing the service to self path freely.
In my understanding, as far as the illusion of death in a physical incarnation is concerned, it is predetermined by the spirit itself before it is born into this physical illusion, unless the spirit uses its free will to cause its own "death" in this illusion. The spirit just doesn't remember this choice in this physical illusion because of the veil of forgetfulness. The infinite Creator then makes sure the physical death happens as chosen freely by the spirit.
Peace
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Peace all,
As far as free will and predestination is concerned, I don't believe there is any predestination. Free will was given by the Infinite Creator to the lower densities of existence to increase polarity, thereby increasing the experience. When there is no free will there is only "good" (service to others) and everything is predestined. The presence of free will automatically implies the presence of "bad" (service to self) pathway which causes a polarity of "good" and "bad" and exponentially increases the various experiences, and the logical deduction is that there is no predestination.
The Infinite Creator is outside the bounds of space and time and can see the past, present, and future of the lower density existence at the same time. There is no actual past, present, or future in reality. Time is just an ILLUSION and only the lower densities are bound by space and time. There is a past, present, and future only from our perspective and not from the Infinite Creator's perspective. So just because the Infinite Creator "knows the future" does not mean there is predestination, or absence of free will in our 3rd density state of existence.
I can give an analogy by the concept of a time machine. Suppose you use a time machine to travel to the future and see the actions of Jafar in the future, and then come back to the present. Now you know what Jafar is going to do in future, but that does not mean that Jafar did not have free will to perform his actions, or that he was predestined to perform those actions. "Knowledge of future actions" of 3rd density beings by the Infinite Creator does not mean the 3rd density beings have no free will or that they are predestined to perform their actions.
No free will = predestination ------> Only "positive" or service to others pathway ("negative" pathway impossible).
Free will = no predestination ------> Both "positive" service to others pathway and "negative" service to self pathway.The lower density beings can use this gift of free will to either speed up their evolution to the higher density positive existence by choosing the service to others path, and hastening the return back to the Infinite Creator ("heaven", or can slow down their evolution by choosing the service to self path, thereby delaying the return back to the Infinite Creator ("hell". Remaining in the same density existence, or progression into a negative higher density existence is a direct "consequence" of the action of choosing the service to self path freely.
In my understanding, as far as the illusion of death in a physical incarnation is concerned, it is predetermined by the spirit itself before it is born into this physical illusion, unless the spirit uses its free will to cause its own "death" in this illusion. The spirit just doesn't remember this choice in this physical illusion because of the veil of forgetfulness. The infinite Creator then makes sure the physical death happens as chosen freely by the spirit.
Peace
No predestination, that is right. It would be silly to run a test knowing the results already. If Rabb knew the answer already Rabb could proceed with judgment already skipping the test. Simple logic, pretty much basic variables, and the most advanced being in existence would opt for the most efficient choice given a situation and if it knew then obviously it would skip that phase. The consciousness of Rabb is in expansive development and cleanses itself from "impurities" in the meantime on multiple "threads" so that the end result will be a qualitative few given the immensely difficult and deceptive test environment with incredibley corrupting bodies innately driving its subjects hard to make them enjoy being it and its beloved activities (e.g. mating, eating food especially sugary such, striving hard for dopamine rushes through drugs or hoarding wealth et.c.)
The reward will be ceasing attachment to this bodily illusion and being in Rabb as an ethereal share and as managers or melakat as it is called in Arabic.
And later Rabb will likely expand anew in a different way. To grow and advance is the only logical aim for a being, likely seeking diversity too. Developing humans out of entertainment or to keep as pets is a pretty primitive thought fit for a worldly human's mind.
Be well
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Oh yes there is a 'free will' from mortal being perspective..
But for something which are not bound by the constraint of time, it knows what each being 'will' will be, at any given time and at any point in space.
Future does not exist beforehand as it is not created yet.
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Future does not exist beforehand as it is not created yet.
It's true from the point of view of time constrained being with limitation of knowing all the things from all the time and all the space.
And as time progress, the time constrained being shall witness how things unfold as the way it supposed to be unfold.
And only then the time constrained being found out that the event being unfold is not entirely happening in accordance to his/her/it will.The real question will be how the time constrained being should react to it?
The best / recommended attitude is to accept it, be at peace, be grateful with it.. as it happened in the way it supposed to happened.You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need
-- Rolling StonesThe true objective of prayer / meditation is not to to try to influence / appeal the God to make your wishes happened in the future, on contrary it prepare yourselves on what's lying in store for you ahead in your future.
"And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him, So then, this is how you should pray ?Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
-- Jesus, Matt 6-8"The key to happiness is self-acceptance. Self-acceptance is very important in making the journey of life brighter and happier. It is vital to accept whoever, whatever, wherever you are in the past and will be in the future."
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Future does not exist beforehand as it is not created yet.
brother , again wrong approach,, with respect to human ur statement is sound.. and logical.. thats what intelligence tell us to reason..
but what do you think about God is future is also unseen by God, if you claim its also unseen by God then things will crumble with eachother...
anyway God predicted things in book how come they exactly happen the way God told us...
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No predestination, that is right. It would be silly to run a test knowing the results already. If Rabb knew the answer already Rabb could proceed with judgment already skipping the test.
for God its necessary to now what will happen in future... thats what the reason tell us to beleive about the qualities of God...
about other logics there is no link of future knowledge with the test.. God knows it but creation select a game for them, despite knowing it would not be easy task.. the acts of creation is already in the supervision of God ..
you will always get confuse if you apply the same law on humans and God...
Human is unnaware of future= future not in hand
God is unaware of Future = God is not real... God must know the future otherwise he is not God..if God skip the test its mean God did not judge people mean God is unfair , the people who are in paradise have no objection with this decision but the people are in hell would defintely ask from God for what you put us there even we were not being tested, give us a chance.. is this the justice you are suggesting my brother..
your logics are sound but reasoning is not sound... make a logic that really works my brother,, presenting theory or theories are not difficult but to prove them is real task...
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i am also looking for some questions as well like all of you guys ,, look at my post number 3 if somebody can help me solving my these questions i would be thnakful..
peace
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brother , again wrong approach,, with respect to human ur statement is sound.. and logical.. thats what intelligence tell us to reason..
but what do you think about God is future is also unseen by God, if you claim its also unseen by God then things will crumble with eachother...
anyway God predicted things in book how come they exactly happen the way God told us...
I agree with MoF.
Only the now exists.
The past is not there anymore and the future is not created yet.God does not predict but God "writes" what will happen, it's not a prediction but a kitaab.
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I agree with MoF.
Only the now exists.
The past is not there anymore and the future is not created yet.God does not predict but God "writes" what will happen, it's not a prediction but a kitaab.
i partly agree with him according to human approach, what i m concerned about is, God also unaware about future.. dnt he know what is before us and what will after us...
God knows what happen to them in this world and what will happen to them hereafter 2 255
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Only the now exists.
The past is not there anymore and the future is not created yet.God does not predict but God "writes" what will happen, it's not a prediction but a kitaab.
Interesting, so as far as you are concerned there is only the linear
explanation of events hmm.......maybepolice
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Peace Man Of Faith, Bender,All.
I am back from my few days holiday with my 2 year old grandson . ( That was created few months ago when we planned and booked,hoping God willing it will happen).
By the way ,we had a brilliant time digging /building on the sand, hours and hours of fun was had by the toddler and the old man! The weather was sunny and warm in the north east of England Scarborough. Our small share of "heatwave" this year!!!!
Thanks to GOD for providing that break in the weather for us.Any way,Man of faith ,for example the rain we have in England comes mainly from the Atlantic, we can say it was created few days before that as a storm . A future that was created in the past?
Just another line of thought to ponder.
GOD bless.
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i partly agree with him according to human approach, what i m concerned about is, God also unaware about future.. dnt he know what is before us and what will after us...
God knows what happen to them in this world and what will happen to them hereafter 2 255
I think He knows for sure what He has predetermined.
I think 230 is a nice example of a future event, at that moment there was no bachar, but He "wrote" that there will be a bachar on earth.
And 2052 is a nice example of a past event, it does not say that the past is there in creation but that the past is in Allahs 3ilm in kitaab and not in creation.So because of this I think we will never see a time machine.
Interesting, so as far as you are concerned there is only the linear
explanation of events hmm.......maybepolice
I am not sure if I understood your question correctly can you rephrase it please? and btw this is of course only my philosophy (what makes sense to me).
I think creation is not cumulative, if that is what you meant. -
I am not sure if I understood your question correctly can you rephrase it please? and btw this is of course only my philosophy (what makes sense to me).
I think creation is not cumulative, if that is what you meant.According to one theory which is the most pervasive today is
that the modern western mind views time as linear with a
beginning and end. Things happen in a line from past to present
to future, that is what is deemed linear. There is also the Semitic
and eastern idea that time is circular and that time goes around
like a clock, no beginning and no end continuously. My personal
view is that time depends on the observer and in some cases the
past, present, and future can be seen simultaneously or each separately.laugh
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I think He knows for sure what He has predetermined.
on other words he already know what will happen, its human who do prediction... but God already know the future...
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I am back from my few days holiday with my 2 year old grandson
peace GL
do you have a grandson how old you are brother i was thinking u r in ur early 30s , sorry for going offtopic..
peace