Which things are predetermined before you are Born?
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Peace all,
As far as free will and predestination is concerned, I don't believe there is any predestination. Free will was given by the Infinite Creator to the lower densities of existence to increase polarity, thereby increasing the experience. When there is no free will there is only "good" (service to others) and everything is predestined. The presence of free will automatically implies the presence of "bad" (service to self) pathway which causes a polarity of "good" and "bad" and exponentially increases the various experiences, and the logical deduction is that there is no predestination.
The Infinite Creator is outside the bounds of space and time and can see the past, present, and future of the lower density existence at the same time. There is no actual past, present, or future in reality. Time is just an ILLUSION and only the lower densities are bound by space and time. There is a past, present, and future only from our perspective and not from the Infinite Creator's perspective. So just because the Infinite Creator "knows the future" does not mean there is predestination, or absence of free will in our 3rd density state of existence.
I can give an analogy by the concept of a time machine. Suppose you use a time machine to travel to the future and see the actions of Jafar in the future, and then come back to the present. Now you know what Jafar is going to do in future, but that does not mean that Jafar did not have free will to perform his actions, or that he was predestined to perform those actions. "Knowledge of future actions" of 3rd density beings by the Infinite Creator does not mean the 3rd density beings have no free will or that they are predestined to perform their actions.
No free will = predestination ------> Only "positive" or service to others pathway ("negative" pathway impossible).
Free will = no predestination ------> Both "positive" service to others pathway and "negative" service to self pathway.The lower density beings can use this gift of free will to either speed up their evolution to the higher density positive existence by choosing the service to others path, and hastening the return back to the Infinite Creator ("heaven", or can slow down their evolution by choosing the service to self path, thereby delaying the return back to the Infinite Creator ("hell". Remaining in the same density existence, or progression into a negative higher density existence is a direct "consequence" of the action of choosing the service to self path freely.
In my understanding, as far as the illusion of death in a physical incarnation is concerned, it is predetermined by the spirit itself before it is born into this physical illusion, unless the spirit uses its free will to cause its own "death" in this illusion. The spirit just doesn't remember this choice in this physical illusion because of the veil of forgetfulness. The infinite Creator then makes sure the physical death happens as chosen freely by the spirit.
Peace
No predestination, that is right. It would be silly to run a test knowing the results already. If Rabb knew the answer already Rabb could proceed with judgment already skipping the test. Simple logic, pretty much basic variables, and the most advanced being in existence would opt for the most efficient choice given a situation and if it knew then obviously it would skip that phase. The consciousness of Rabb is in expansive development and cleanses itself from "impurities" in the meantime on multiple "threads" so that the end result will be a qualitative few given the immensely difficult and deceptive test environment with incredibley corrupting bodies innately driving its subjects hard to make them enjoy being it and its beloved activities (e.g. mating, eating food especially sugary such, striving hard for dopamine rushes through drugs or hoarding wealth et.c.)
The reward will be ceasing attachment to this bodily illusion and being in Rabb as an ethereal share and as managers or melakat as it is called in Arabic.
And later Rabb will likely expand anew in a different way. To grow and advance is the only logical aim for a being, likely seeking diversity too. Developing humans out of entertainment or to keep as pets is a pretty primitive thought fit for a worldly human's mind.
Be well
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Oh yes there is a 'free will' from mortal being perspective..
But for something which are not bound by the constraint of time, it knows what each being 'will' will be, at any given time and at any point in space.
Future does not exist beforehand as it is not created yet.
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Future does not exist beforehand as it is not created yet.
It's true from the point of view of time constrained being with limitation of knowing all the things from all the time and all the space.
And as time progress, the time constrained being shall witness how things unfold as the way it supposed to be unfold.
And only then the time constrained being found out that the event being unfold is not entirely happening in accordance to his/her/it will.The real question will be how the time constrained being should react to it?
The best / recommended attitude is to accept it, be at peace, be grateful with it.. as it happened in the way it supposed to happened.You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need
-- Rolling StonesThe true objective of prayer / meditation is not to to try to influence / appeal the God to make your wishes happened in the future, on contrary it prepare yourselves on what's lying in store for you ahead in your future.
"And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him, So then, this is how you should pray ?Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
-- Jesus, Matt 6-8"The key to happiness is self-acceptance. Self-acceptance is very important in making the journey of life brighter and happier. It is vital to accept whoever, whatever, wherever you are in the past and will be in the future."
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Future does not exist beforehand as it is not created yet.
brother , again wrong approach,, with respect to human ur statement is sound.. and logical.. thats what intelligence tell us to reason..
but what do you think about God is future is also unseen by God, if you claim its also unseen by God then things will crumble with eachother...
anyway God predicted things in book how come they exactly happen the way God told us...
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No predestination, that is right. It would be silly to run a test knowing the results already. If Rabb knew the answer already Rabb could proceed with judgment already skipping the test.
for God its necessary to now what will happen in future... thats what the reason tell us to beleive about the qualities of God...
about other logics there is no link of future knowledge with the test.. God knows it but creation select a game for them, despite knowing it would not be easy task.. the acts of creation is already in the supervision of God ..
you will always get confuse if you apply the same law on humans and God...
Human is unnaware of future= future not in hand
God is unaware of Future = God is not real... God must know the future otherwise he is not God..if God skip the test its mean God did not judge people mean God is unfair , the people who are in paradise have no objection with this decision but the people are in hell would defintely ask from God for what you put us there even we were not being tested, give us a chance.. is this the justice you are suggesting my brother..
your logics are sound but reasoning is not sound... make a logic that really works my brother,, presenting theory or theories are not difficult but to prove them is real task...
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i am also looking for some questions as well like all of you guys ,, look at my post number 3 if somebody can help me solving my these questions i would be thnakful..
peace
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brother , again wrong approach,, with respect to human ur statement is sound.. and logical.. thats what intelligence tell us to reason..
but what do you think about God is future is also unseen by God, if you claim its also unseen by God then things will crumble with eachother...
anyway God predicted things in book how come they exactly happen the way God told us...
I agree with MoF.
Only the now exists.
The past is not there anymore and the future is not created yet.God does not predict but God "writes" what will happen, it's not a prediction but a kitaab.
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I agree with MoF.
Only the now exists.
The past is not there anymore and the future is not created yet.God does not predict but God "writes" what will happen, it's not a prediction but a kitaab.
i partly agree with him according to human approach, what i m concerned about is, God also unaware about future.. dnt he know what is before us and what will after us...
God knows what happen to them in this world and what will happen to them hereafter 2 255
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Only the now exists.
The past is not there anymore and the future is not created yet.God does not predict but God "writes" what will happen, it's not a prediction but a kitaab.
Interesting, so as far as you are concerned there is only the linear
explanation of events hmm.......maybepolice
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Peace Man Of Faith, Bender,All.
I am back from my few days holiday with my 2 year old grandson . ( That was created few months ago when we planned and booked,hoping God willing it will happen).
By the way ,we had a brilliant time digging /building on the sand, hours and hours of fun was had by the toddler and the old man! The weather was sunny and warm in the north east of England Scarborough. Our small share of "heatwave" this year!!!!
Thanks to GOD for providing that break in the weather for us.Any way,Man of faith ,for example the rain we have in England comes mainly from the Atlantic, we can say it was created few days before that as a storm . A future that was created in the past?
Just another line of thought to ponder.
GOD bless.
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i partly agree with him according to human approach, what i m concerned about is, God also unaware about future.. dnt he know what is before us and what will after us...
God knows what happen to them in this world and what will happen to them hereafter 2 255
I think He knows for sure what He has predetermined.
I think 230 is a nice example of a future event, at that moment there was no bachar, but He "wrote" that there will be a bachar on earth.
And 2052 is a nice example of a past event, it does not say that the past is there in creation but that the past is in Allahs 3ilm in kitaab and not in creation.So because of this I think we will never see a time machine.
Interesting, so as far as you are concerned there is only the linear
explanation of events hmm.......maybepolice
I am not sure if I understood your question correctly can you rephrase it please? and btw this is of course only my philosophy (what makes sense to me).
I think creation is not cumulative, if that is what you meant. -
I am not sure if I understood your question correctly can you rephrase it please? and btw this is of course only my philosophy (what makes sense to me).
I think creation is not cumulative, if that is what you meant.According to one theory which is the most pervasive today is
that the modern western mind views time as linear with a
beginning and end. Things happen in a line from past to present
to future, that is what is deemed linear. There is also the Semitic
and eastern idea that time is circular and that time goes around
like a clock, no beginning and no end continuously. My personal
view is that time depends on the observer and in some cases the
past, present, and future can be seen simultaneously or each separately.laugh
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I think He knows for sure what He has predetermined.
on other words he already know what will happen, its human who do prediction... but God already know the future...
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I am back from my few days holiday with my 2 year old grandson
peace GL
do you have a grandson how old you are brother i was thinking u r in ur early 30s , sorry for going offtopic..
peace
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Peace Imran.
In my 30 s? ( my middle son is exactly 30 this year).Me, I remember when Noah was building the ark!!!
I am old enough to apply for my free bus pass. ( I am in my sixties,but I feel 30!)
Yes brother I have 2 grand sons . One from each of my 2 daughters.
Sorry for off topic also.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Imran.
In my 30 s? ( my middle son is exactly 30 this year).Me, I remember when Noah was building the ark!!!
I am old enough to apply for my free bus pass. ( I am in my sixties,but I feel 30!)
Yes brother I have 2 grand sons . One from each of my 2 daughters.
Sorry for off topic also.
GOD bless you.
Peace.ok sir i will be careful next time.. i sometimes talk with you in a level freindly hope so you pardon me for this... if i ever speak anything wrong with you...
peace and God bless you too..
i m also a grandfather my real niece have a daughter of five years... i was officialy grandfather at the age of 28 lol
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brother , again wrong approach,, with respect to human ur statement is sound.. and logical.. thats what intelligence tell us to reason..
but what do you think about God is future is also unseen by God, if you claim its also unseen by God then things will crumble with eachother...
anyway God predicted things in book how come they exactly happen the way God told us...
No no, this is not the wrong approach. It is perfectly sound also in the perception of God. God uses logic and also humans can use logic.
The truth is like this; there is no fully created future yet i.e. the timeline can be affected, but elevated beings can determine future events and there has been determination of future events thousands of years earlier which come true today. Still, the events have not taken place yet even if many things are set out already in the past.
See it like this; let us say I am an influential person through my ascended spirit and I determine it to be a good weather today and then the weather becomes great in a short while. When I determined that it would be a good weather then when it became good weather was in the future, so this is the predestination you are referring to.
There is only as much predestination as there are decided events for it. This is because managers (angels) have decided the future ahead of their happening.
However, interaction in the world and whatever you do as a spirit seed in the world is not predestined as long as you are not following the world's innate "programming" (the instinct). The instinct is a predestination per reasoning, but it is not the right way. When you are in control over the bodily (mind over matter) then you have gone against the predestination which was made in order to be corrupting and consume those who accept the predestination.
When you rebel against the instinct you instead have found a "secret" destination, but the path towards it happens through your spiritual superiority. This is when your true person/soul starts to develop, when you deny the bodily predestination. You refuse to give in to its instinctive driving and that causes the chain it has on you to release and under those circumstances it can more easily develop/grow. Its parable is like comparing it to a plant in the soil which will grow much better if you remove the thistles around it.
Be well
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No no, this is not the wrong approach. It is perfectly sound also in the perception of God. God uses logic and also humans can use logic.
peace brother, make long story short..by just one simple question.
is the future or coming events are not in the knowledge of God?
let say i create a movie and when i finish creating it.. i can see the past present and future anytime between the movie , and what i know is exactly 100% correct..
God create all this not in mare play so do we usse same logic to God is it fair? God logic/knowledge/awareness how somebody can know.?
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Peace All,
Q1311 - For him successive from between and behind him who guard him by the decree of ALLAH. Indeed, ALLAH will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when ALLAH intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides HIM any patron.
We are all being protected and it is up to us to make ourselves better.
peace
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The future is planned ahead in partiality, certain events are determined while others are not. God does not know whether you will succeed or not because that is the trial in the first place, it is a real challenge and not a voodoo doll scene. But if it was predetermined that the world would end in a certain manner or a prophet would run into a specific sequence of events then these will take place.
If you want a modern analogy you could refer to a video game in which you are playing and which is highly interactive. The story is to a large part already programmed, but the story is very open-ended and flexible although certain events which in computer language would be called "scripted" will always occur. And in the end you can reach to two different endings to the main story. You are fully responsible for your acting in the game, but cannot control game rules or scripted events.
For example, if there is a scripted event "doom's day" (time is up) the only way of escaping the event is by beating the game beforehand. The rules are quite straightforward.
Be well
Amenuel