WHat???!! Earth is FLAT? There is a dome above us? -if so it proofs God

hansolo

Salam LastDay3

Apparently the commonly interpreted word for the "like a ostrich egg", identifies the act of spreading the ground an ostrich makes in order to put its eggs in the earth.

"The entry for the term "daha" in Lane's lexicon states that the word is used to signify the spreading, expanding, extending or widening of a surface.

Lane's lexicon also provides an example of the usage of the word with the following statement, "also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide, with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs". Here the, the term daha is meant to signify the action performed by the ostrich i.e. the ostrich spreads out the ground in order to make a nest. There is no mention here (or any other reputable dictionary) that daha means "to be egg-shaped".

In a consistent manner, Lane?s lexicon defines udhiya, a cognate of daha, as the place where the ostrich lays its eggs.

Of course The God knows the best.

I'm just trying to find out the truth.

Peace to everyone

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace Hansolo,

Thank you for your reply, and that valuable information you provided from Lane's lexicon above.

But, dear Brother/Friend, I was/am already aware of such objections and properly addressed them
and have given the Reason why it can legitimately and perfectly be understood as

"dahaha" = "made-it-egg-shaped"

on page no. 2
here again

Egg-Shaped Earth Miracle
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf065.html

Remain in peace/salaam.

HP_TECH

Peace

No offense 19neesan, but the arguments you provided are weak. You do not have more evidence than one misinterpreted root?

What I present in this post below is merely a fraction of the evidence in support of a geocentric habitat system from the Quran.

Immerse yourself in Truth. There is no refuting a planar earth. Earth is a plane not planet.

Bismillah AlRahman AlRaheem
(51481)
wal-ara
And the earth, CONJ ? prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N ? accusative feminine noun Earth

(51482)
farashnh
We have spread it; V ? 1st person plural perfect verb
PRON ? subject pronoun
PRON ? 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun
?? ??
(51483)
fani'ma
how excellent REM ? prefixed resumption particle
V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb

(51484)
l-mhidna
(are) the Spreaders! N ? nominative masculine plural active participle

2265 Do not you see that Allah (has) subjected to you what (is) in the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command? And He withholds the sky lest it falls on the earth except by His permission. Indeed, Allah to mankind (is) Full of Kindness, Most Merciful.

Allah BRINGS the sun from the east! (Sun is the one moving from east not the earth rotating west!! Blasphemy!)
QURAN 2258

The heavens are RAISED without pillars that you see! (How can you raise empty infinite space? YOU CAN'T!) The sky is a structure! A roof!
QURAN 132

The sun and moon each RUNNING for a term appointed!
QURAN 132

How does Allah describe the earth?
Ask yourself when visualizing this if I employ you to spread a substance out for me, let's say it is silly putty/ play dough,
Will you roll it up into a ball or flatten it out??!
133 The Earth is madadnaha/spread out!!

(1333) madda spread
(15192) madadnh We have spread it
(5072) madadnh We have spread it out
(8433) muddat is spread

Without the mountains and valleys and crookednesses and curvatures the earth is a level plain!!!!

(18476) brizatan (as) a leveled plain
(201063) afafan plain

Not one but two sister ayaats to confirm this!

The earth is made as a bed for us!

(20535) mahdan (as) a bed
(43105) mahdan a bed

Please consider all the evidence provided and do not be like the hypocrites in the other threads

Zulf

People ask what difference it does it make. Well... a REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE.

All the people on earth will start questioning their existence. They will understand that they are literally in a enclosed testing ground/jail. Where one needs to redeem himself through obeying The Creator. As an example I would take the movie Truman Show starring Jim Carrey.

WHat???!! Earth is FLAT? There is a dome above us? -if so it proofs God

Actually, this is the same reasoning that many atheists use when discussing the existence of God. They say that if God really exists, why doesn't he just show himself and then nobody needs to go to hell for disbelief.

Similarly, the thread title says that a solid dome above a disc Earth would prove the existence of God. I also assume that the author also means that most people would start believing.

This is basically a reasoning that is used by people who fails to see the sings of God and its existence in life. Only material (physically solid) objects will satisfy such people.

Secondly, why long for a dome over a flat disc when such a thing has never been observed, outside imagination and philosophy. Where is the dome? Personal interpretations of religious scriptures are not proof. That's just philosophy.

Now I understand when God tells us that this world is an illusion and that we should not sell our main objective(Obeying God) for any worldly gains.
Because this reality is nothing but a huge testing ground. And there is nowhere to run and hide form the God. So you better obey your creator.

I'd say that you rather are looking for solid matter behind solid matter. Do you think the illusion is just another material structure behind the apparent structure? Is that it? Is this the hidden (unseen) aspect of this world.... another physical structure?

How will the realization of the existence make you a better person? What's the point of this ultimate, irrefutable proof of God when you never had to do any introspection into feelings, emotions, pondering and lessons learned in life etc? Is peace within and all that just BS, and all that is needed is to see the dome?

What stops people from believing in God NOW? Seeing a dome will not serve as a good test if it is so irrefutable.

Salaam

hansolo

Peace to you Zulf, I hope you are well.
I think I did not express myself correctly, otherwise we would not have this misunderstanding (God Wiling)

Zulf, you are really blessed for having the knowledge of the unseen. And knowing that God does exist. But I think we can agree that thanks to the way our world works today, the average human being does not consider the existence of God as the ultimate reality. I can only state this by my own life experience. It is as if being a believer makes you a person of a lower intelligence level, by default. Even people who DO believe in God, try to not talk about it in public, because "THE SCIENCE" does not share the same point of view.

And we all know that "SCIENCE" today, its not all about the "Scientific Method", rather its a Cult, a new Religion. We tend to take everything the "Science" say as the Truth, without testing it for ourselves. Of course we CAN, test somethings in a laboratory and see if it is true. But things like "How does the world we live in, Look like?", cannot be tested in a laboratory. Does those "Scientists" have a monopoly over this kind of information.
Why would they try to lie about the world we live in? I said it in my post. Everything to hide the creator.

Zulf, Im 200% Sure that our The Creator exists. The Creator of everything. Im too, blessed for finding the truth. However, to wake up the average 21`s century men, who believes to his senses. Im not against for using this kind of information to do it. And it is in no way bad, so to say. Whatever makes a person to wake up and THINK. Not go to Google for answers not go to a man with a Phd. But to THINK for himself/herself.

Zulf you wrote I'd say that you rather are looking for solid matter behind solid matter. Do you think the illusion is just another material structure behind the apparent structure? Is that it? Is this the hidden (unseen) aspect of this world.... another physical structure?

Lets be honest...

Nor me, nor you, have no Idea. What is beyond our world. We dont even know what is under our world. The deepest hole that was ever digged is 12,262 m, while it is 6369,7836 meters from Earth's crust to the Earth's core ( If you believe in a Globe Model ). And when you you say "Material" you refer to This world we call Earth right? You call material because it is made of matter ? And because our senses can sense this word right? But what if the world beyond this world is even more "Material". Even more Real. When we say our world is Material, logically we are trying to say that the other world isn't? Why do we imagine the world beyond as some ghost like dream like non-matter like. The answer is obvious, because we never seen it. Thats why when we try to imagine it we try to attribute to it everything thats is the opposite of this world.

Quran 6705 Sahih International And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.

As you can see God say clearly that he beautified the nearest heaven with Stars(Lamps). The key word BEAUTIFIED, he created them for us. Because this place is special. The God doesnt say that evert lamp we see is a Sun like ours which has its own set of planets and so on.

Quran 0697 Sahih International And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.

And yet again God says that he created the stars(lamps) which he placed in the nearest heaven that we could guide us through land and sea.

Nearest Heaven. If you believe the "SCIENCE" than it says that some stars are 10 billion light years away and some are 10 times more, and that everything we see as heaven is just space. Where all kinds of Suns, and planets and moons exist.

Zulf, Im just in a point of my life where I try to not believe something until I myself came to the same conclusion.

Of course god knows the best

Im juts a normal kid trying to figure it out

Peace

truthseeker11

Peace hansolo,

What I am going to say may sound far fetched but at least go through the referenced material and see if it makes sense to you. I wish I could astral project and then I could verify for myself whether all that is true. The information I am going to share with you caught my attention only because it coincides with mention of seven heavens in the quran and is based on scientific research in astral projection.

Scientists have been studying astral projection and using a technique based on astral projection called "remote viewing" to discover the true reality of the universe. Through this technique they found that in reality there do exist "seven heavens" (beyond the edge of the known universe) and were able to remote view those seven layers. They use their own unique terminology and call them "seven levels of manifestation" (LOM) or "seven superdomains" which have discrete boundaries. Please go through the following material for details.

The link given in this article for scientists website does not work so I will post the link to the scientists website also

http//wespenre.com/exploring-the-unum.htm

http//www.lpg-c.org/ (scientists website)
http//www.lpg-c.org/essays

Readers, please discard/ignore/reject this information if it does not resonate with you.

Peace

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace HP_TECH,

First of all, I respect your point of view and all other Friends who may be thinking in a same/similar manner as you do, in this Issue.

So, you may freely believe in a Flat/Planar Earth --(based on your sincere Understanding of QURAN),
and I may freely believe in a Round/Spherical Earth --(based on my sincere Understanding of QURAN),
and we may still remain as dear Brothers and Sisters
who strongly believe in and serve absolutely and only One GOD (=AL-LAH)!

hail handshake hail

As long as we both undoubtedly and strongly agree that
our Lord AL-LAH is Absolutely Capable of Creating whatever HE wills,
a Flat/Planar Earth or/and a Round/Spherical Earth (=36/79, 82-83).

So in this Light above, now I will clearly relate to you my point of view,
and why I still strongly believe in a Round/Spherical Earth --(based on my sincere Understanding of QURAN),
here

Peace

No offense 19neesan, but the arguments you provided are weak. You do not have more evidence than one misinterpreted root?

Dear Brother/Friend HP_TECH,
in my Understanding, that root/word (=dahaha) is very important,

the Fact that it is clearly and unmistakably related to Ostrich --(there is no dispute about this Fact
in any of those most credible Arabic lexicons mentioned above)--

is in itself a Perfectly Sufficient Most MIRACULOUS Evidence for me,

due to the Fact that --(even if no human-being has never used
this verb (=dahaha) in this specific meaning as (=made-it-Ostrich-Egg-shaped) before--

our Lord AL-LAH Knows it Best and may have legitimately used it
specifically in this meaning as (=made-it-Ostrich-Egg-shaped),
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very Beginning.

And those Magnificent MATHEMATICAL MIRACLES clearly presented here

Egg-Shaped Earth Miracle
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf065.html

has already convinced me without any doubt that

our Lord AL-LAH has indeed used this verb (=dahaha)
specifically in this meaning as (=made-it-Ostrich-Egg-shaped)

in HIS most Superb and matchless Scripture (=QURAN TESTAMENT),
from the very Beginning, here (=QURAN TESTAMENT 41/53 = 74/26-30 = 79/30)!

(*So please, carefully see all of those Magnificent MATHEMATICAL MIRACLES above,
and decide for yourself.)

2265 Do not you see that Allah (has) subjected to you what (is) in the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command?
And He withholds the sky lest it falls on the earth except by His permission.
Indeed, Allah to mankind (is) Full of Kindness, Most Merciful.

I can clearly see here
these most essential and important two Verses below,
in such a perfectly parallel manner

==========
65- .......... And HE holds "the Sky" lest it falls (=i.e. the "meteors" therein, Not the whole Sky itself)-- unto the earth,
except by HIS Permission. ...........

11- So that HE sends "the Sky" (=i.e. the "raindrops" therein, Not the whole Sky itself, again)-- unto you, abundantly.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 22/65 = 71/11)

So based on this perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent Understanding above,
there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and amazing Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning. (*Please, absolutely see it in those two links
clearly referred to within my very first post above.)

Allah BRINGS the sun from the east! (Sun is the one moving from east not the earth rotating west!! Blasphemy!)
QURAN 2258

Again, I can clearly see here
these most essential and important two Verses below,
in such a perfectly parallel manner

==========
258- .......... Abraham said Certainly, AL-LAH brings the Sun from the East, (=essentially, due to the Rotation of our planet Earth
as it is perfectly indicated here now = 27/88) ...........

44- AL-LAH revolves the Night and the Day (=essentially, due to the Rotation of our planet Earth, here again,
as it is perfectly indicated here = 27/88) ...........
Certainly, in this (Phenomenon) is a Lesson for those who have insight.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 2/258 = 24/44)

So based on this perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent Understanding above,
there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and essential Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning.

So please, also absolutely see here

"Rotation Speed of the EARTH" MIRACLE =27/88
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf067.html

The heavens are RAISED without pillars that you see! (How can you raise empty infinite space? YOU CAN'T!) The sky is a structure! A roof!
QURAN 132

I can clearly see here
these most essential and important two Verses below,
in such a perfectly parallel manner

==========
2- AL-LAH is the ONE Who raised the Skies (=i.e. our whole Universe) without "pillars" that you can see "it" (=i.e.
a most specific reference to "dark energy" that cannot be seen by human eyes,
and is scientifically thought to be the main cause of the expansion = raising of our whole Universe), ...........

10- HE created the Skies (=i.e. our whole Universe here again) without "pillars" that you can see "it" (=i.e.
a most specific reference to "dark energy" that cannot be seen by human eyes,
and is scientifically thought to be the main cause of the expansion = raising of our whole Universe), ...........

(QURAN TESTAMENT 13/2 = 31/10)

So based on this perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent Understanding above,
there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and essential Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning.

So please, also absolutely see here

Most Mysterious "Dark ENERGY" MIRACLE =25/6
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf052.html

How does Allah describe the earth?
Ask yourself when visualizing this if I employ you to spread a substance out for me, let's say it is silly putty/ play dough,
Will you roll it up into a ball or flatten it out??!

133 The Earth is madadnaha/spread out!!
(1333) madda spread
(15192) madadnh We have spread it
(5072) madadnh We have spread it out
(8433) muddat is spread

Without the mountains and valleys and crookednesses and curvatures the earth is a level plain!!!!

(18476) brizatan (as) a leveled plain
(201063) afafan plain

Not one but two sister ayaats to confirm this!

The earth is made as a bed for us!

(20535) mahdan (as) a bed
(43105) mahdan a bed

I can clearly see here
all of these specific terms in QURAN TESTAMENT

"madda" al-Ard (="spread out" the Earth) 13/3 & 15/19 & 50/7 & .........

al-Ard barizatan (=you will see the Earth as leveled-plain) 18/47 & 20/106 & .........

al-Ard mahdan (=the Earth as a bed/cradle for you) 20/53 & 43/10 & .........

all of them above are clearly and undeniably true
when/if we look at and observe our planet Earth from the surface of it (=because we actually live on the surface of it)
with our own eyes, for/in all of those Cases above,
in such a perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent manner, throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT.

So again, there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
--when/if we look at and observe our planet Earth specifically from above of it--

which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and essential Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning. (*Please, absolutely see it in those two links
clearly referred to within my very first post above.)

Remain in peace/salaam.

imrankhawaja

whats happen with the previous thread .. lol...

we actually have the eyes that bring us curvy views that was going on last thread .. it was qute interesting though..

i want to ask what is the limit of eye to see a curve ... i mean to see a flat thing curve what is the limit?

imrankhawaja

cant you see the heavens without pillars

its actually mean , the reason of pillars is to give a balance to roof.. whether the roof is on flat surface or on round surface it dosent matter..

did you not see a layers of roof on big balls shaped items...?

and the second important part is the roof of whatever kind is there withoutt pillars so it must be some law that holding things ,,

shall we give that law a name gravity... dark energy... or big angels or controllers holding things itself... even the dominion is carried by eight ...

God does not require a material based pillars or invisible pillars.. God is law maker and he knows what laws nneeded to make a pillarless sky ..heavens without pillars...

pr

Zulf

But I think we can agree that thanks to the way our world works today, the average human being does not consider the existence of God as the ultimate reality. I can only state this by my own life experience. It is as if being a believer makes you a person of a lower intelligence level, by default. Even people who DO believe in God, try to not talk about it in public, because "THE SCIENCE" does not share the same point of view.

Yes, I understand what you mean. However, most people in the world are rather superstitious and religious through tradition and culture.
Also, religious people are many times rightfully considered dumb. The reason is their refusal to look openly at what they believe, applying logic and reason.

Of course, and unfortunately, God gets mixed up with Religion. God is God, while Religion is just the act of human beings blindly and emotionally submitting to dogma regardless of whether other people get hurt in the process.

And we all know that "SCIENCE" today, its not all about the "Scientific Method", rather its a Cult, a new Religion. We tend to take everything the "Science" say as the Truth, without testing it for ourselves. Of course we CAN, test somethings in a laboratory and see if it is true. But things like "How does the world we live in, Look like?", cannot be tested in a laboratory. Does those "Scientists" have a monopoly over this kind of information.
Why would they try to lie about the world we live in? I said it in my post. Everything to hide the creator.

Science is not a being. Science doesn't say anything.
Also, why would scientists be a cult? How are they organized?
Why would scientists conspire to lie? Lie about what?

Actually, the deeper you go into scientific discoveries, the more you should realize God is real. The more we come to know, the more we should appreciate the Rabb.

Science does NOT take people away from God. Science can take away people from religion, but in such cases, those religions were never truthful and had nothing to do with God.

Not go to Google for answers not go to a man with a Phd. But to THINK for himself/herself.

But usually people sit on YouTube and suddenly "know" about all sorts of conspiracies.

But what if the world beyond this world is even more "Material". Even more Real.
When we say our world is Material, logically we are trying to say that the other world isn't? Why do we imagine the world beyond as some ghost like dream like non-matter like. The answer is obvious, because we never seen it.

For example, people don't believe the soul is a solid item...
If the disc and the dome are real, what is God like? Is "he" a solid material being above the dome?
If not, then why not?

As you can see God say clearly that he beautified the nearest heaven with Stars(Lamps). The key word BEAUTIFIED, he created them for us. Because this place is special. The God doesnt say that evert lamp we see is a Sun like ours which has its own set of planets and so on.

Yes, the sky has been adorned and beautified, for us to appreciate.
Yes, this place is special, flat or round. But, is this place special in comparison to something else? That's what special means. If this world (Earth) is all there is, then is it special because it is unique? In such a case, all things can be special, as all things are unique. Even if we assume a universe with many different world, they'd all be special... if you know what I mean.
Right, God doesn't say in the quran that all lamps are suns like ours (as per our current knowledge). Does that mean they aren't? No it doesn't. God also didn't say ice floats on water, but it does.

Nearest Heaven. If you believe the "SCIENCE" than it says that some stars are 10 billion light years away and some are 10 times more, and that everything we see as heaven is just space. Where all kinds of Suns, and planets and moons exist.

Why can this not be true? Our inability to grasp it?

Kind regards
Peace

Hizbullah