WHat???!! Earth is FLAT? There is a dome above us? -if so it proofs God

truthseeker11

Peace hansolo,

What I am going to say may sound far fetched but at least go through the referenced material and see if it makes sense to you. I wish I could astral project and then I could verify for myself whether all that is true. The information I am going to share with you caught my attention only because it coincides with mention of seven heavens in the quran and is based on scientific research in astral projection.

Scientists have been studying astral projection and using a technique based on astral projection called "remote viewing" to discover the true reality of the universe. Through this technique they found that in reality there do exist "seven heavens" (beyond the edge of the known universe) and were able to remote view those seven layers. They use their own unique terminology and call them "seven levels of manifestation" (LOM) or "seven superdomains" which have discrete boundaries. Please go through the following material for details.

The link given in this article for scientists website does not work so I will post the link to the scientists website also

http//wespenre.com/exploring-the-unum.htm

http//www.lpg-c.org/ (scientists website)
http//www.lpg-c.org/essays

Readers, please discard/ignore/reject this information if it does not resonate with you.

Peace

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace HP_TECH,

First of all, I respect your point of view and all other Friends who may be thinking in a same/similar manner as you do, in this Issue.

So, you may freely believe in a Flat/Planar Earth --(based on your sincere Understanding of QURAN),
and I may freely believe in a Round/Spherical Earth --(based on my sincere Understanding of QURAN),
and we may still remain as dear Brothers and Sisters
who strongly believe in and serve absolutely and only One GOD (=AL-LAH)!

hail handshake hail

As long as we both undoubtedly and strongly agree that
our Lord AL-LAH is Absolutely Capable of Creating whatever HE wills,
a Flat/Planar Earth or/and a Round/Spherical Earth (=36/79, 82-83).

So in this Light above, now I will clearly relate to you my point of view,
and why I still strongly believe in a Round/Spherical Earth --(based on my sincere Understanding of QURAN),
here

Peace

No offense 19neesan, but the arguments you provided are weak. You do not have more evidence than one misinterpreted root?

Dear Brother/Friend HP_TECH,
in my Understanding, that root/word (=dahaha) is very important,

the Fact that it is clearly and unmistakably related to Ostrich --(there is no dispute about this Fact
in any of those most credible Arabic lexicons mentioned above)--

is in itself a Perfectly Sufficient Most MIRACULOUS Evidence for me,

due to the Fact that --(even if no human-being has never used
this verb (=dahaha) in this specific meaning as (=made-it-Ostrich-Egg-shaped) before--

our Lord AL-LAH Knows it Best and may have legitimately used it
specifically in this meaning as (=made-it-Ostrich-Egg-shaped),
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very Beginning.

And those Magnificent MATHEMATICAL MIRACLES clearly presented here

Egg-Shaped Earth Miracle
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf065.html

has already convinced me without any doubt that

our Lord AL-LAH has indeed used this verb (=dahaha)
specifically in this meaning as (=made-it-Ostrich-Egg-shaped)

in HIS most Superb and matchless Scripture (=QURAN TESTAMENT),
from the very Beginning, here (=QURAN TESTAMENT 41/53 = 74/26-30 = 79/30)!

(*So please, carefully see all of those Magnificent MATHEMATICAL MIRACLES above,
and decide for yourself.)

2265 Do not you see that Allah (has) subjected to you what (is) in the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command?
And He withholds the sky lest it falls on the earth except by His permission.
Indeed, Allah to mankind (is) Full of Kindness, Most Merciful.

I can clearly see here
these most essential and important two Verses below,
in such a perfectly parallel manner

==========
65- .......... And HE holds "the Sky" lest it falls (=i.e. the "meteors" therein, Not the whole Sky itself)-- unto the earth,
except by HIS Permission. ...........

11- So that HE sends "the Sky" (=i.e. the "raindrops" therein, Not the whole Sky itself, again)-- unto you, abundantly.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 22/65 = 71/11)

So based on this perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent Understanding above,
there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and amazing Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning. (*Please, absolutely see it in those two links
clearly referred to within my very first post above.)

Allah BRINGS the sun from the east! (Sun is the one moving from east not the earth rotating west!! Blasphemy!)
QURAN 2258

Again, I can clearly see here
these most essential and important two Verses below,
in such a perfectly parallel manner

==========
258- .......... Abraham said Certainly, AL-LAH brings the Sun from the East, (=essentially, due to the Rotation of our planet Earth
as it is perfectly indicated here now = 27/88) ...........

44- AL-LAH revolves the Night and the Day (=essentially, due to the Rotation of our planet Earth, here again,
as it is perfectly indicated here = 27/88) ...........
Certainly, in this (Phenomenon) is a Lesson for those who have insight.

(QURAN TESTAMENT 2/258 = 24/44)

So based on this perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent Understanding above,
there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and essential Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning.

So please, also absolutely see here

"Rotation Speed of the EARTH" MIRACLE =27/88
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf067.html

The heavens are RAISED without pillars that you see! (How can you raise empty infinite space? YOU CAN'T!) The sky is a structure! A roof!
QURAN 132

I can clearly see here
these most essential and important two Verses below,
in such a perfectly parallel manner

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2- AL-LAH is the ONE Who raised the Skies (=i.e. our whole Universe) without "pillars" that you can see "it" (=i.e.
a most specific reference to "dark energy" that cannot be seen by human eyes,
and is scientifically thought to be the main cause of the expansion = raising of our whole Universe), ...........

10- HE created the Skies (=i.e. our whole Universe here again) without "pillars" that you can see "it" (=i.e.
a most specific reference to "dark energy" that cannot be seen by human eyes,
and is scientifically thought to be the main cause of the expansion = raising of our whole Universe), ...........

(QURAN TESTAMENT 13/2 = 31/10)

So based on this perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent Understanding above,
there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and essential Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning.

So please, also absolutely see here

Most Mysterious "Dark ENERGY" MIRACLE =25/6
http//www.19covenant19.com/mucize_detay_idf052.html

How does Allah describe the earth?
Ask yourself when visualizing this if I employ you to spread a substance out for me, let's say it is silly putty/ play dough,
Will you roll it up into a ball or flatten it out??!

133 The Earth is madadnaha/spread out!!
(1333) madda spread
(15192) madadnh We have spread it
(5072) madadnh We have spread it out
(8433) muddat is spread

Without the mountains and valleys and crookednesses and curvatures the earth is a level plain!!!!

(18476) brizatan (as) a leveled plain
(201063) afafan plain

Not one but two sister ayaats to confirm this!

The earth is made as a bed for us!

(20535) mahdan (as) a bed
(43105) mahdan a bed

I can clearly see here
all of these specific terms in QURAN TESTAMENT

"madda" al-Ard (="spread out" the Earth) 13/3 & 15/19 & 50/7 & .........

al-Ard barizatan (=you will see the Earth as leveled-plain) 18/47 & 20/106 & .........

al-Ard mahdan (=the Earth as a bed/cradle for you) 20/53 & 43/10 & .........

all of them above are clearly and undeniably true
when/if we look at and observe our planet Earth from the surface of it (=because we actually live on the surface of it)
with our own eyes, for/in all of those Cases above,
in such a perfectly parallel and absolutely coherent/consistent manner, throughout the whole QURAN TESTAMENT.

So again, there is nothing here that would refute a Round/Spherical Earth, at all,
--when/if we look at and observe our planet Earth specifically from above of it--

which is (in my view) clearly and unmistakably foretold
in these most Miraculous and essential Verses (=79/30) & (13/41 = 21/44)
in QURAN TESTAMENT, from the very beginning. (*Please, absolutely see it in those two links
clearly referred to within my very first post above.)

Remain in peace/salaam.

imrankhawaja

whats happen with the previous thread .. lol...

we actually have the eyes that bring us curvy views that was going on last thread .. it was qute interesting though..

i want to ask what is the limit of eye to see a curve ... i mean to see a flat thing curve what is the limit?

imrankhawaja

cant you see the heavens without pillars

its actually mean , the reason of pillars is to give a balance to roof.. whether the roof is on flat surface or on round surface it dosent matter..

did you not see a layers of roof on big balls shaped items...?

and the second important part is the roof of whatever kind is there withoutt pillars so it must be some law that holding things ,,

shall we give that law a name gravity... dark energy... or big angels or controllers holding things itself... even the dominion is carried by eight ...

God does not require a material based pillars or invisible pillars.. God is law maker and he knows what laws nneeded to make a pillarless sky ..heavens without pillars...

pr

Zulf

But I think we can agree that thanks to the way our world works today, the average human being does not consider the existence of God as the ultimate reality. I can only state this by my own life experience. It is as if being a believer makes you a person of a lower intelligence level, by default. Even people who DO believe in God, try to not talk about it in public, because "THE SCIENCE" does not share the same point of view.

Yes, I understand what you mean. However, most people in the world are rather superstitious and religious through tradition and culture.
Also, religious people are many times rightfully considered dumb. The reason is their refusal to look openly at what they believe, applying logic and reason.

Of course, and unfortunately, God gets mixed up with Religion. God is God, while Religion is just the act of human beings blindly and emotionally submitting to dogma regardless of whether other people get hurt in the process.

And we all know that "SCIENCE" today, its not all about the "Scientific Method", rather its a Cult, a new Religion. We tend to take everything the "Science" say as the Truth, without testing it for ourselves. Of course we CAN, test somethings in a laboratory and see if it is true. But things like "How does the world we live in, Look like?", cannot be tested in a laboratory. Does those "Scientists" have a monopoly over this kind of information.
Why would they try to lie about the world we live in? I said it in my post. Everything to hide the creator.

Science is not a being. Science doesn't say anything.
Also, why would scientists be a cult? How are they organized?
Why would scientists conspire to lie? Lie about what?

Actually, the deeper you go into scientific discoveries, the more you should realize God is real. The more we come to know, the more we should appreciate the Rabb.

Science does NOT take people away from God. Science can take away people from religion, but in such cases, those religions were never truthful and had nothing to do with God.

Not go to Google for answers not go to a man with a Phd. But to THINK for himself/herself.

But usually people sit on YouTube and suddenly "know" about all sorts of conspiracies.

But what if the world beyond this world is even more "Material". Even more Real.
When we say our world is Material, logically we are trying to say that the other world isn't? Why do we imagine the world beyond as some ghost like dream like non-matter like. The answer is obvious, because we never seen it.

For example, people don't believe the soul is a solid item...
If the disc and the dome are real, what is God like? Is "he" a solid material being above the dome?
If not, then why not?

As you can see God say clearly that he beautified the nearest heaven with Stars(Lamps). The key word BEAUTIFIED, he created them for us. Because this place is special. The God doesnt say that evert lamp we see is a Sun like ours which has its own set of planets and so on.

Yes, the sky has been adorned and beautified, for us to appreciate.
Yes, this place is special, flat or round. But, is this place special in comparison to something else? That's what special means. If this world (Earth) is all there is, then is it special because it is unique? In such a case, all things can be special, as all things are unique. Even if we assume a universe with many different world, they'd all be special... if you know what I mean.
Right, God doesn't say in the quran that all lamps are suns like ours (as per our current knowledge). Does that mean they aren't? No it doesn't. God also didn't say ice floats on water, but it does.

Nearest Heaven. If you believe the "SCIENCE" than it says that some stars are 10 billion light years away and some are 10 times more, and that everything we see as heaven is just space. Where all kinds of Suns, and planets and moons exist.

Why can this not be true? Our inability to grasp it?

Kind regards
Peace

Hizbullah

Peace

No offense 19neesan, but the arguments you provided are weak. You do not have more evidence than one misinterpreted root?

What I present in this post below is merely a fraction of the evidence in support of a geocentric habitat system from the Quran.

Immerse yourself in Truth. There is no refuting a planar earth. Earth is a plane not planet.

Bismillah AlRahman AlRaheem
(51481)
wal-ara
And the earth, CONJ ? prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N ? accusative feminine noun Earth

(51482)
farashnh
We have spread it; V ? 1st person plural perfect verb
PRON ? subject pronoun
PRON ? 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun
?? ??
(51483)
fani'ma
how excellent REM ? prefixed resumption particle
V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb

(51484)
l-mhidna
(are) the Spreaders! N ? nominative masculine plural active participle

2265 Do not you see that Allah (has) subjected to you what (is) in the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command? And He withholds the sky lest it falls on the earth except by His permission. Indeed, Allah to mankind (is) Full of Kindness, Most Merciful.

Allah BRINGS the sun from the east! (Sun is the one moving from east not the earth rotating west!! Blasphemy!)
QURAN 2258

The heavens are RAISED without pillars that you see! (How can you raise empty infinite space? YOU CAN'T!) The sky is a structure! A roof!
QURAN 132

The sun and moon each RUNNING for a term appointed!
QURAN 132

How does Allah describe the earth?
Ask yourself when visualizing this if I employ you to spread a substance out for me, let's say it is silly putty/ play dough,
Will you roll it up into a ball or flatten it out??!
133 The Earth is madadnaha/spread out!!

(1333) madda spread
(15192) madadnh We have spread it
(5072) madadnh We have spread it out
(8433) muddat is spread

Without the mountains and valleys and crookednesses and curvatures the earth is a level plain!!!!

(18476) brizatan (as) a leveled plain
(201063) afafan plain

Not one but two sister ayaats to confirm this!

The earth is made as a bed for us!

(20535) mahdan (as) a bed
(43105) mahdan a bed

Please consider all the evidence provided and do not be like the hypocrites in the other threads

Excellent sun

truthseeker11

Peace everyone,

Excellent

Not excellent but deductive fallacies due to invalid reasoning. It has been comprehensively debunked

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608757.msg393846#msg393846

The invalid reasoning is of the form

Earth is spread out.
Flat objects are spread out.
Therefore, Earth is flat.

Elementary logical fallacy

http//legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/courses/log/tru-val.htm

Also nonsense such as

In future Earth will be flat.
Therefore, Earth is presently flat.

Peace

Hizbullah

Peace everyone,

Not excellent but deductive fallacies due to invalid reasoning. It has been comprehensively debunked

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608757.msg393846#msg393846

The invalid reasoning is of the form

Earth is spread out.
Flat objects are spread out.
Therefore, Earth is flat.

Elementary logical fallacy

http//legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/courses/log/tru-val.htm

Also nonsense such as

In future Earth will be flat.
Therefore, Earth is presently flat.

Peace

Thanks for the link, i will that out....

peace

LastDay3

..........

Right, God doesn't say in the quran that all lamps are suns like ours (as per our current knowledge).
Does that mean they aren't? No it doesn't.

..........

Kind regards
Peace

Salaam/Peace Zulf,

Though I can clearly see what you mean above, in broadest sense,
(=i.e. GOD commands unto us to use our GOD-Given brains to search and see the Truth,
in every Issue)

for me, it is real Excellent also to know sun that
it is indeed perfectly indicated in QURAN TESTAMENT
that all those "Stars" are indeed "Suns" like ours,
here thus

====================
17- Therefore, glorify AL-LAH when you retire at night, and when you rise in the morn-light (=tusbihoona --due to/by Sun therein).

12- And We adorned the lowest heaven with morn-light-makers (=masabeeha) due to/by Stars therein), and for/as protection.
Such is the design of (AL-LAH) the Mighty, the Knower.

QURAN TESTAMENT 30/17 = 41/12

Thus we may clearly infer that
our "Sun" and all those "Stars" above
are essentially radiaters of exactly similar/same kind of morn-light above (tusbihoon = masabeeh),
because they are indeed same/similar kind of "Stars" in essence, therein.

Remain in peace/salaam.

imrankhawaja

sun is also a star.... there are more stars which are similar to sun and some have also plantery system like our own solar system.. three years ago i was reading about the nearest sun like star here is a brief summary of that research...

At a distance of twelve light years from Earth and visible to the naked eye in the evening sky, Tau Ceti is the closest single star that has the same spectral classification as our Sun. Its five planets are estimated to have masses between two and six times the mass of the Earth, making it the lowest-mass planetary system yet detected. One of the planets lies in the habitable zone of the star and has a mass around five times that of Earth, making it the smallest planet found to be orbiting in the habitable zone of any Sun-like star.