Faith no more
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Dear friends,
I have left Islam/Quran.
I used to be a frequent poster here many years ago. I was a devout proponent of Quran alone, and a diligent student. I built Quran study tools and posted my analysis of verses but I want to keep my identity secret for now.
I also believed in Code 19 (firmly) and scientific miracles of the Quran, but these unravelled quickly when I studied them critically after learning real maths and science.
Briefly, what broke me out of my hypnosis was the flat earth, geocentric cosmology of the Quran. Mountains cast down like anchors to stop the earth moving. Incorrect embryology and pretty much every statement about the natural world is wrong. Took me a while to get over my confirmation bias (20 years), but I got there.
I know the usual excuses, ?It?s not a book of science?, ?don?t take it literally?. How long can one take this approach? Soon there will be nothing literal left in the Quran. It offers no insight into the world and or any guidance. Most of the Quran is about following the messenger blindly. Mohammed was trying to build up a following through fear. He offered no miracles or any knowledge that people didn?t already have. ?Believe in me or you will be punished?. Of course the punishment didn?t come from God but from the hands of Mohammed. If you study him as a historical character, he is awful.
Once you realise that the Quran is not from God you will see the bullshit. It is nothing but another idol. You must smash it. Remember, if you were born a muslim, you will have a lot of confirmation bias. Can you honestly say you are objective? Less than 0.5% change their birth religion. The truth is whatever you are born into.I read the Quran now and I see how hate filled it is and uses fear to shut down your rationality. I never noticed this before but the anti-jew sentiment is rabid. The God of the Quran is a lunatic. There isn?t a single positive Jewish story. Mohammed must have really hated the Jews and it explains Banu-Qurayza.
Quran never addresses women once. They are always addressed as property of men, even when it comes to their menses. 3195 was only revealed when the wives of the prophet complained why God does not mention women. I know you don?t like referring to books outside Quran, so look at 581. Clearly Mohammed is making shit up in response to women complaining. There are many more instances of just-in-time revelations.
Abrogation is also big problem and it clearly shows Mohammed testing the waters and changing his mind to suit his mission. There is always a verse that bails Mohammed out whenever he?s in tricky situation, especially with his wives.The idea of Prophets, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell all seems ridiculous now.
I?m not posting here to debate anyone. The desire to wake up must come from within. Besides, all the resources are on the internet. If you are brave enough to look. The best resource is the ?The Masked Arab? on youtube. I also find Hasan Radwan were interesting. Here?s a great video about the how the concept of hell was developed
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uniMzg0Qrws
Also, I know all tricks and word gymnastics that a Quranist will use. I used to be one - a very good one at that. It can be exhausting and infuriating, - just pick any thread and see. This was another doubt. Why did we use such language of hate when speaking to each other? I later realised that it was the language of the Quran. Anybody who doesn?t ?believe as you believe? is liar, hypocrite, led astray or a jew. That gets into your subconscious when you read the Quran daily.
The Quranic mentality doesn?t allow you to accommodate anybody who thinks differently from you. Quran already tells you their motives so you will always view the other with suspicion or someone who is perpetually misguided by God.
More so, it forces you hold contradictory views with ease.
I?m posting here now to ask you read the Quran critically. Just for an hour tell yourself it?s not from God. Indulge your doubts and let go of the fear. The Quran will tell you to do the opposite. If you are truth seeker what do you have to fear.
Good luck my friends. Hope to see you awakened and fearless. Some posters here have awoken but are coy about it. Their posts never made sense to me but now I understand their position.
I?m happy to have a friendly talk and advise people who?ve been having doubts. I now believe science is the only way to determine reality and what is good for us.
Peace.
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Dear friends,
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Peace.
Hi welcome back handshake
Why do you feel the need to ask us this
"I?m posting here now to ask you read the Quran critically. Just for an hour tell yourself it?s not from God. Indulge your doubts and let go of the fear. The Quran will tell you to do the opposite. If you are truth seeker what do you have to fear."peace
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Peace FaithNoMore, I respect your decision/conclusion.
2/256 There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has
become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in
the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest
handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.jedi
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Hi welcome back handshake
Why do you feel the need to ask us this
"I?m posting here now to ask you read the Quran critically. Just for an hour tell yourself it?s not from God. Indulge your doubts and let go of the fear. The Quran will tell you to do the opposite. If you are truth seeker what do you have to fear."peace
BenderHumanity has a better chance of prosperity without religion. In particular Islam. If you look at history and present-day it is unable to reform.
That's not to say I am against it. I support reform. However, some of you are ready to move on to the next stage. I'm here to facilitate that ) -
Peace FaithNoMore,
Well I must say I am intrigued now to know who you are. But anyways, I understand wanting to remain anonymous for now.
Thanks for the update on your journey - Out of curiosity, are you an atheist now?
Take care. peace
Apostasy carries a death sentence. I was shocked that even moderate Muslims support it, as I tested the waters.
Saddened to see how radicalized Muslims have become since the 80s.My position is similar to that of Abraham. I've have smashed all my idols including Allah. He is a creation of Mohammed and those before him.
I do hope there is a higher power that guides me, but I know it can never be anything like the God of the Quran.
I think only science can answer the God question. Revelation and prophets are an absurdity to me.
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Apostasy carries a death sentence. I was shocked that even moderate Muslims support it, as I tested the waters.
Saddened to see how radicalized Muslims have become since the 80s.My position is similar to that of Abraham. I've have smashed all my idols including Allah. He is a creation of Mohammed and those before him.
I do hope there is a higher power that guides me, but I know it can never be anything like the God of the Quran.
I think only science can answer the God question. Revelation and prophets are an absurdity to me.
Thanks for the reply.
Agnostic theism then? That's fair.
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Quran Alone, yet you mention Bani Qurayza? i will be honest, Man of Faith here thinks hell is this earth, most of the members here think hell is just a few days. The harsh reality of it is it's forever and all I can say is enjoy it ;D
Thanks bro.
An eternity in hell is better than one day in heaven with a tyrant. If your mighty God gets a kick out of torturing a weak little ant like me, then I look forward to it. -
Humanity has a better chance of prosperity without religion. In particular Islam. If you look at history and present-day it is unable to reform.
That's not to say I am against it. I support reform. However, some of you are ready to move on to the next stage. I'm here to facilitate that )RED That is very kind of you
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I?m happy to have a friendly talk and advise people who?ve been having doubts. I now believe science is the only way to determine reality and what is good for us.
Considering science is merely the design of God that is slowly being discovered by our specie, isn't that like, admiring the Mona Lisa without crediting Leonardo Da Vinci ?
In which case, I wish you good luck and may the science be in your favor. hail
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peace FNM,
Welcome to the forum.
I found your post a little puzzling on the one hand you seem to imply you are well read when it comes to Quran/"Quranism" yet on the other hand you make statements which don't add up to me.
In any case
- what are the 3 strongest errors you found in The Quran?
- what are the 3 strongest examples you have of abrogation in The Quran?
Thanks.
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When you say you want to help us move on to the next stage, in what way are you planning on accomplishing that? Meaning, will you stick to posting only on this thread or will you be offering your contributions elsewhere on the forum?
I'm glad you asked.
I won't start new topics unless I'm invited to, by way of question, as all the information is already available on the internet.
So for example you might ask me why I say the Quranic cosmology is geocentric.
I will then respond by pointing to you some videos and articles to read.
That may lead to other questions or discussions. I might then point you to other resources or answer your questions directly, or I might ask you to research a particular point.
It will be an interactive process.As I mentioned you can start by looking at The Masked Arab.
https//www.youtube.com/channel/UC9JU55HpvRvCSb1TO2w_eDA/videos
He's sources Hadith & Tafseer, but tackles the Quran and I feel is the most appropriate for the Quranist.
Whilst I don't accept Hadith and Tafseer as authority, they do offer insight into how people closest to that time understood the language.Hopefully that will generate some questions.
I would prefer one-on-one conversation by email as it's technically easier to respond for me, but this forum is ok too if someone needs it.
I'm not here to convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced.
I'm here to speed-up a journey that you might be on, that I have already taken.Therefore the questions and desire must come from you.
If you have no questions ... that's fine too.
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I'm glad you asked.
I won't start new topics unless I'm invited to, by way of question, as all the information is already available on the internet.
Alright. Good to know. peace
He's sources Hadith & Tafseer, but tackles the Quran and I feel is the most appropriate for the Quranist.
Whilst I don't accept Hadith and Tafseer as authority, they do offer insight into how people closest to that time understood the language.Hopefully that will generate some questions.
It did, lol, although I already had this certain question in my head before you said this.
What I've seen from some people on this forum - and elsewhere on the Internet - is that people who have been "Quranists"/followers of Qur'an alone and then go on to reject it seem to do a complete 180 in their beliefs. They put forth the argument that accepted Islamic history is correct and moreover that Qur'an cannot be understood without it.
Would you agree with that conclusion? Or at least agree with the claim that Islamic history must, in some way, be considered when studying the Qur'an? Why or why not?
You said here
I was a devout proponent of Quran alone, and a diligent student.
And then went on to say this
Mohammed was trying to build up a following through fear. He offered no miracles or any knowledge that people didn?t already have. ?Believe in me or you will be punished?. Of course the punishment didn?t come from God but from the hands of Mohammed. If you study him as a historical character, he is awful.
I find it intriguing that this radical shift of thinking occurs. I would like to know why, if this is your current belief and if you can explain it for me.
I would prefer one-on-one conversation by email as it's technically easier to respond for me, but this forum is ok too if someone needs it.
I feel that forum correspondence is best for the sake of all our members and guests here who frequently visit this forum. peace
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Such a hypocrite. Calls says islamic history is evil, uses hadith and tafseer to call the Prophet a tyrant yet in the same hadith book they also claim he was the most merciful and just person. You just love to pick and choose to your likings. The main reason you stop believing in the Quran is your pride.
Believe me or be punished is also done by our parents, the people that love us most in this world. When I did something wrong as a kid i remember my father or mother punishing me, did they hate me? Were they tyrants? Was it out of love?.. you are just a hypocrite.
You want a one on one convo so its easier to manipulate everything without any resistance.
Every religion, every belief and even atheists have some sort of negative information written about them on the internet, doesnt make it all true.
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peace FNM,
Welcome to the forum.
I found your post a little puzzling on the one hand you seem to imply you are well read when it comes to Quran/"Quranism" yet on the other hand you make statements which don't add up to me.
In any case
- what are the 3 strongest errors you found in The Quran?
- what are the 3 strongest examples you have of abrogation in The Quran?
Thanks.
I find the whole Quran absurd. It's a series of tweets. However, you see it as the literal perfect word of God.
There is a big gap between us. Lots things need to happen before that gap can be bridged.
I need to create a spark of skepticism in you.However, if I'm not careful I will throw you deeper into your current position. That's how the brain works.
If you are willing, please watch these two videos. Then let me know if you are perturbed by them.
This will help me gauge the gap.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwizsojd1Y
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sju28v0dCw8Thanks.
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peace FAITH NO MORE
i remember an old fellow STUDENT OF ALLAH.
i ask some questions from him . he was unable to answer... i ask same from you..
do u really carefully understand the quran with verification? or if u understand it do you understand it fully ?
do u really think if a creator , created all this he will left everybody in the middle of nowehere?
post the verses which you think its illogical, errors, or mistakes.. we will proceed talking.. then.btw he will not punish you by not accpeting him as lord . he will punish you if you go against your God.. serving God in pther words mean to do good deeds.. these deeds are accountable on you...
most of the times people are unaware about God . their judgement will depend on the actions they did in this world... but after knowing the truth if somebody become proud and challange God its really thing to worried about?
you gave the example of abraham but
you forget the example of pharooh?anyway best of luck to you and post any verse you think its scientifically wrong , i really love to see once i also try to find an error , but still unsuccessful from last 17 years... hope so i will get a lead from you...
peace
NOTE i just count the words of your new title name... its consist of 11 letters ... one and one .. lol
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