Faith no more
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The first sense to develop in a developing human embryo is hearing. The foetus can hear sounds after the 24th week. Subsequently, the sense of sight is developed and by the 28th week, the retina becomes sensitive to light.
Consider the following Qur?aanic verses related to the development of the senses in the embryo ?And He gave You (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (And understanding).?
?Verily We created Man from a drop Of mingled sperm, In order to try him So We gave him (the gifts), Of Hearing and Sight.?
?It is He Who has created For you (the faculties of) Hearing, sight, feeling And understanding little thanks It is ye give!?
In all these verses the sense of hearing is mentioned before that of sight. Thus the Qur?aanic description matches with the discoveries in modern embryology.
peace yeah
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tomorrow i will give some more lectures on other concepts like cosmology and moutnains stuff if God willing
together towards the boss of all books QURAN cheeeeers budy...
i remember once a attitude of a big player of football,, he kicked the football... but football just hit the pole... he claimed my kick was correct but the dimemshans of pole is not correct double check it... and he was right ..... rotfl rotfl
even if was not a true event i have no issue i get the message what he want to convey...lol..
i believe my lord is free of mistakes... and request to all of my brothers and sisters.. read it very carefully before making any claims... which contradicts the very teaching of quran..
peace and God bless you all group
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I pray that he remains happy in whatever he chooses. Meanwhile, you enjoy the beauty of sun setting in murky water D
rotfl i remember once a colleage from work ask me the same question she told me there is a scientific error... that sun set in murky water...
infact it not a error at all... it appears to zulqurnain that sun is setting in murky water.. same like the picture... !
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I think youve misunderstood my position. I never rejected the Quran because of something I found in hadith or history. I rejected the Quran first and then studied Islam/Mohammed as a historian. I was a Quranist and had an audio of the Quran on playback most of the time. After a while I found the hatred very problematic and for a year was afraid to listen to the Quran in case I found another issue. I made excuses like, Its classical Arabic. Ill never understand it. Maybe I dont have the right dictionaries. Maybe the verses havent been preserved correctly e.t.c. Trust me, I made every possible excuse, took every possible position not to reject the Quran.
Also now that the Quranist mentality is not applicable, I can understand the view point of the Quran + Hadith camp. I dont have a vested interest in either position, so I can see them objectively. They are both equally justified.
When I look at Islamic history now, I ask myself Can the justification for this act or behaviour be found in the Quran? and the answer yes mostly.
So, again there is no 180 turn. Just the Quran by itself was enough to reject it.
Happy to clarify my position further if needed.
So to summarize
As a non-believer I see both as equally valid positions.
Are you asking me what issues I found in the Quran?No, I wasn't talking about what issues you have found at all. I was simply asking if you would agree that Qur'an needs the accepted Islamic history in order to understand it. Not about rejection or belief, but simply asking if you thought the book needs that historical context or not. I see you speak about taking history into account, so I would say yes, but then you also say you see them both objectively and by themselves, so I am still a bit confused but from your line that that they are both equally valid, I believe I now understand your position. I take it that you can think either way, depending on your audience, but you do think that Islamic history can be something to be considered.
Thanks for the clarification. peace
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Believe me or be punished is also done by our parents, the people that love us most in this world. When I did something wrong as a kid i remember my father or mother punishing me, did they hate me? Were they tyrants? Was it out of love?...
bravo
I would also advise you to read ALL post of truthseeker11 and reel. Insha ALLAH, you will comprehend Islam better than before. Also, see link below....
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607488.0
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Please reflect on what you said,Quote
This I do not agree with you on though. Quran was made written by Rabb or to say an insightful prophet who were in the Rabb and the Rabb in him (or could be her). The "bullshit" is whatever story has been fabricated about Quran on what it should say. Few people are objective though, this is correct, and that is why no one has challenged to established interpretation on a wider scale and why the current flimsy version of it is still accepted. To read Quran as intended it needs a complete reevaluation.
I know what I wrote so there is not really any need to reflect. What is your point?
Then you go on to add,quote
This is true. Quran is full of hate. The god is completely out of control and will condemn people eternally for not believing in it. It is like a megalomaniac dictator who just cannot get enough of attention and will execute anyone who does not accept him. No one ever reflects on it that way.
Is it not true?
And ,quote
Quran seems to make little distinction between man and woman, not prioritizing it as something important. We only have genders in the body while the spirit is asexual. For a bodily/worldly person the gender might be important.
Well, Quran does not have any particular emphasis on genders. Why would it be important if it is only in the flesh where you have a gender?
Is this not confusing?
What is confusing?
I thought the Arabic Qoran says the same things since over 1400 years ago? Where do you see the contradictions?
Yes,brother,I forgot, you are going to explain it in your next post?
GOD bless you.
PeaceIt never had a proper interpretation. It is full of contradictions and inconsistencies if one is objective just like 'FaithNoMore' has pointed out. But like I wrote, rather than 'FaithNoMore' claims, Quran does say underneath all that falsehood something else which is much more sensible.
I suppose where you are getting. I forgot to add the usual "in the sectarian interpretation of". Obviously I mean only in the sectarian intrpretation "Quran is full of hate".
Quran was made written by Rabb
Quran is full of hate
Be well
Amenuel -
The sentence started really bad, I was using my mobile and thinking to fast while typing really slow ;D. My english is awesome btw
The power of the human brain's "auto correct"... I read it as, "Believe me or not, punishment is also done by our parents..."
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Salaam MoF,
Red nope
Inna hudaAllahi huwa alHuda.
I wrote "in the sectarian interpretation of" within parenthesis. Quran is guiding.
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You are on a different level. I like it.
Do you have a youtube channel. You should present your views in videos or in a blog.
Unfortunately not. I only have another forum. But making a presentation on YouTube might not be a bad idea.
Faith is really really simple, it only takes realizing the world is a test and that it is intentionally made to corrupt its inhabitants into primitive activities, religious thinking included with a Pagan visualization of a god. The remedy is to simply be aware of the fact it is corrupting and do something about it using your willpower against the primate body (science proves the human is an ape, right?). The common religious belief is a kind of faith which is only an upgrade of the physical stone statues, it is like a virtual god statue instead but still an object. It is like Paganism 2.0. It is pretty dimwitted actually, but I have been there done that too, I have also been deluded while I as ignorant, and my faith was more sound while I had not let myself be absorbed by (the sectarian interpretation of) Quran and the sect Islam. Yet this 'Rabb' phenomenon drew me towards Quran for a reason. I did not grow up with Quran, I had not even experienced it until I was about 28 years old and I even held prejudices both towards it and Muslims because their faith seemed so primitive, yet I over a couple of years or so started with those sectarian fabricated prayers because at first Quran made such a strong impression on me, until I turned to study it objectively. Questions one can ask is "Why would the most advanced phenomenon in existence require this from me?, or "What do I exactly benefit from these physical movements and why do they resemble how Pagans worshiped their statues in the past and how people glorified their worldly megalomaniac dictator king in ancient kingdoms?", or "is "God" not more sophisticated than that?", or "Does "God" wish to create some sort of pet farm with pets that do not fill any productive use?"
The phenomenon called "God" is truly a oneness, working like a singularity meaning it contains a lot, but it has no real space taking yet inside the singularity it seems enormous. Everything within the singularity is of its contents, and that is true for us, we are a part of this unit. We are to develop an independent Being within the Unity. The strength of your being is what is most important of everything.
Be well
Amenuel -
@ mof you are also insightful perosn isnt it?
If you have insight you are insightful, are you not?
Either way it is up to each person to judge that themselves. That is not my problem. And I do not have a problem if someone says I have not, and it is their problem whatever happens with them, it is their fate.
Be well
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Peace all,
Thank you brother Hizbullah for the kind words.
I would urge everyone to read Hizbullah's posts, since he has an excellent grasp of intricacies of the Quranic system. I would however like to stress that we are all human and therefore prone to making mistakes, so please verify everything you read for yourself and use mind/reason, inner compass, knowledge, and truths in the horizons and within yourselves to verify the truth of anything you come across. Please discard anything I say that does not resonate with you. In reality only our RABB guides and only our RABB is the source of all truth.
May our RABB guide us all to the truth.
Peace
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sometimes its better to look around before cross the road.... )
now look around again... before and after 4153 all of you... brothers and sisters...
4152 Say, ?Think If this (revelation) is from God, and then you reject it! Who is further astray than one who stubbornly opposes it?? tempt
4153 Soon, shall We show them Our signs in the utmost Horizons and within themselves until it becomes obvious to them that this Qur?an is certainly the Truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is Witness to all things (including this proclamation)? within themselves signs(ayat) i already describe .. the ayats regarding horizons and stuff like 2130 big bang exapanding universe and so on is also need to be ponder... but either way the discoveries of these signs what mention in quran regarding both claims are successfully achieved...
4154 Indeed, they are in doubt about meeting their Lord; but He is Encompassing over all things.
may God bless us wisdom to understand some things which are not really difficult ... hail
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If you have insight you are insightful, are you not?
Either way it is up to each person to judge that themselves. That is not my problem. And I do not have a problem if someone says I have not, and it is their problem whatever happens with them, it is their fate.
Be well
Amenuelhmm allright..
is there is any difference between the prophet and the one who have insight in it? like me and you... i mean any color code /dress code/ scripture code... or any thing that make him qualified as a prophet ..
is it also important for the insighttful person to meet with gabi...
may b sometimes he also see God in the shape of powerful light that break things around... hmm
can somebody become insightful(prophet) by his own choice or it God that make a decision ?
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Right ou, I do not believe you. Eiher you didn' kow that much arabic to come wih what you comme out and just have ploddered along with the worst "rditional" islam or you are no who you say you are or wha you say you are.
The sin of anntiqur'an is not literalish but lack of i. I doub tha4youu have undersood anything of wha you blame on the Qur'an and sincerely, I doub your sicerity. What you are saying is he usual propaganda. And thank you but you can drop your role of redeemer of us poor deceived. And your Adam and Eve heme cliches all. No EVe in he Qur'an, thank you. As usual you are shoving on e Qur'an your assummpions from oher sources.
Salaam
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Peace all....
Peace all,
Thank you brother Hizbullah for the kind words.You are most welcome, brother.
I would urge everyone to read Hizbullah's posts, since he has an excellent grasp of intricacies of the Quranic system. I would however like to stress that we are all human and therefore prone to making mistakes, so please verify everything you read for yourself and use mind/reason, inner compass, knowledge, and truths in the horizons and within yourselves to verify the truth of anything you come across. Please discard anything I say that does not resonate with you. In reality only our RABB guides and only our RABB is the source of all truth.
Yes, this is very important.
May our RABB guide us all to the truth.
Peace
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Of course the quran is not very fond of kafirs.
They are called for a reason kafirs, and you will indeed not find a single good word about kafirs, they are the worst of all people.Beautiful. And for what crime must the kafir be hated? Is it that he doesn't share your belief?
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Unfortunately not. I only have another forum. But making a presentation on YouTube might not be a bad idea.
Faith is really really simple, it only takes realizing the world is a test and that it is intentionally made to corrupt its inhabitants into primitive activities, religious thinking included with a Pagan visualization of a god. The remedy is to simply be aware of the fact it is corrupting and do something about it using your willpower against the primate body (science proves the human is an ape, right?). The common religious belief is a kind of faith which is only an upgrade of the physical stone statues, it is like a virtual god statue instead but still an object. It is like Paganism 2.0. It is pretty dimwitted actually, but I have been there done that too, I have also been deluded while I as ignorant, and my faith was more sound while I had not let myself be absorbed by (the sectarian interpretation of) Quran and the sect Islam. Yet this 'Rabb' phenomenon drew me towards Quran for a reason. I did not grow up with Quran, I had not even experienced it until I was about 28 years old and I even held prejudices both towards it and Muslims because their faith seemed so primitive, yet I over a couple of years or so started with those sectarian fabricated prayers because at first Quran made such a strong impression on me, until I turned to study it objectively. Questions one can ask is "Why would the most advanced phenomenon in existence require this from me?, or "What do I exactly benefit from these physical movements and why do they resemble how Pagans worshiped their statues in the past and how people glorified their worldly megalomaniac dictator king in ancient kingdoms?", or "is "God" not more sophisticated than that?", or "Does "God" wish to create some sort of pet farm with pets that do not fill any productive use?"
The phenomenon called "God" is truly a oneness, working like a singularity meaning it contains a lot, but it has no real space taking yet inside the singularity it seems enormous. Everything within the singularity is of its contents, and that is true for us, we are a part of this unit. We are to develop an independent Being within the Unity. The strength of your being is what is most important of everything.
Be well
AmenuelI can respect that brother. For me the opposite happened. Rabb drew me away from the Quran.
For a along time I promoted Quran-alone. I thought it was the answer to solve the problems of Muslims.For a year I stopped reading the Quran because I was so afraid of loosing faith in it. I had invested so much in studying it.
I do not know where you and I fit in this plan, but it is interesting.
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Thanks for clarifying.
Usually I don't read what is inside parenthesis because of my habit to ignore it while reading translations of alQuraan. Sorry.I have begun not to write things within parenthesis which are related directly to what I am saying, but at times it occurs still. In this case the parenthesis was perhaps redundant and misplaced.