Hello all, this is my new home !
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Salaam brother welcome to Free-Minds.org welcome welcome welcome
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welcome to family brother..
God bless you
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Salam and welcome brother to the family...
The path to God alone is full of pitfalls and tests which do not end except when our lives on this Earth end.
The movement started by Rashad Khalifa was a bold and brave action that helped propel many people to break the shackles of centuries of Hadith and false dogma. At the same time, it created a sect where followers elevated him to the status of an infallible man (replacing one idol for another).
I pray that we all here can keep to the path of the Almighty and that we remind each other when we have strayed - may the Lord help us live and die as Submitters.
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Welcome to the forum.
Be well
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The movement started by Rashad Khalifa was a bold and brave action
people before khalifa were already aware about it but they was confused..in rejecting the hadith science in full..
like people including , syed ahmed khan, allama iqbal(national poet of indo pak) and more recently ghulam ahmed pervaiz...
khalifa came up with an agenda , which he later added... he was infact not a hadith rejector he support his very claim with the same secondary sources..
anyway.. its glad that there are always people who use reasoning and brain and they distinguish between right and wrong.. free minds is a movement no doubt God blessed them with intelligence... they can figure out things easily..
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Welcome to the group !
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Phase one of "Operation Convert Ummah Forum" is complete! Muahahahahahaha!! voodoo elektro
Welcome to the forum brother. )
Google group... Huh. Never thought about that. How did you even find out about it to begin with if it's private? Why is it private? Is it still active? How many people?
Makes me wonder if all the other sites who appear "article only" have a closed group or something... I know the Quranists site has Facebook groups. One of them even has 1k members, there's another Facebook page with 6k likes...
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Phase one of "Operation Convert Ummah Forum" is complete! Muahahahahahaha!! voodoo elektro
Welcome to the forum brother. )
Thank you !
ught about that. How did you even find out about it to begin with if it's private? Why is it private? Is it still active? How many people?
I would say they got around 110 members. So far the members entered the group after they contacted the admin with their personal questions (admin the owner of the website, his e-mail is on the website) Before they get access they face trial-questions like "what is the correct form of Shahada and how many times a day do you pray". The group is exclusive because they don't want a discussion-group but a group with only like-minded fellows. Frequently there are members who get kicked because they turned out to be on the wrong path.
I can give a few examples- One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
- Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
- Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group
Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves
- One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
- One member removed himself when he believed his input to improve the Quran-translation was ignored, even though his Arabic knowledge was bad.
And yes the group is still active. I am still in it's whatsapp-group which is hosted by a separate member.
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HOLA! ?COMO ESTAS? welcome
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Welcome.
You see, I was always in a learning phase of Islam. My parents are slow teachers.
I was just blindly following my family without questions. But always very sceptical.You followed your inner compass...... usually a good thing. We are all in a learning phase, it never ends.
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Thank you !
I can give a few examples- One guy got kicked because he saw the Torah still as the word of God even though the Quran says it got corrupted. He didn't like the fact that tattoo was not forbidden in the Quran like in his beloved Torah.
- Another guy got kicked because he considered the bible, torah as books from God, together with the Quran. He had started separate Facebook groups; each group for each book.
- Generally making statements without evidence from the Quran can get you warnings with the risk of being removed from the group
Sometimes members asks to be removed themselves
- One member asked to be removed when he refused to believe RK was a messenger from God
Interesting... sounds like Quran + RK cult....
welcome
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Interesting... sounds like Quran + RK cult....
welcome
Thanks. In the beginning they were alert though Unlike submission.org and masjidtucson.org they said they do not glorify RK himself. But since they attributed more verses to RK then RK himself originally did, I knew the line between them was getting thinner by the day. Before I suggested to remove RK's translation from the website, I preferred no translations from the Quran instead using a bogus one like from RK. But they refused.
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Peace Dakhan.
Have you got a better translation out there than RK? If you have please provide it so we can compare.
And before you rush judging people as idolising this and that, my aim is to compare the translation of the Arabic verses one by one.
We can all easily claim anything. We need to demonstrate our claim from Qoran,then we can use the verses to consolidate our claim.
For example ,to date I have not found a better translation for this verse
2215
If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.Thank you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Dakhan.
Have you got a better translation out there than RK? If you have please provide it so we can compare.
And before you rush judging people as idolising this and that, my aim is to compare the translation of the Arabic verses one by one.
We can all easily claim anything. We need to demonstrate our claim from Qoran,then we can use the verses to consolidate our claim.Peace, I will look into a way of how I can upload that translation. But I will wait first till that translation is finished. Currently it is in the revision phase, which means the verses are each by each being re-checked for any translation-mistakes.
For example ,to date I have not found a better translation for this verse
2215
If anyone thinks that God cannot support him in this life and in the Hereafter, let him turn completely to (his Creator in) heaven, and sever (his dependence on anyone else). He will then see that this plan eliminates anything that bothers him.Thank you.
GOD bless you.
PeaceInteresting, that the verse you give is one of the few verses that got a footnote attached to it. I will forward it to you
For the one who thinks that God will not support him in this world and in the Hereafter, let him reach out to the sky with his cause, then sever all else. Then let him see if his action removes what aggravates him.
Footnote 2215 ? This verse has been subject to various misinterpretations. Some claiming that God is advising us to dangle a rope from the ceiling and hang ourselves! Obviously this can never be the correct understanding since it would contradict with the Quranic prohibition of taking any life except in the course of justice. These glorious words in actual fact provide a great test for all people with regards to how much they trust and depend on God. God invites anyone who doubts God?s support in this life or the Hereafter, to turn to the sky (in prayer to God) and sever his dependence on anyone else. He should then look and see if this action removes what has been aggravating him or not.
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Peace Dakhan.
You mean RK got that verse translated right according to your footnote?
I wonder why throw away all of RK s translation then?
Like I said I found some of his work inspired. The best out the hundreds of translations I have studied.In fact the majority of today s translators are copying his work.
GOD S invisible forces that guard Qoran will not allow any insincere person to have access to Qoran. RK must have been sincere at least?
The sad thing is some are copying him and discrediting him at the same time. Strange.
GOD bless you.
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although the translations of rk are nice but again its just translations , he just did something with two verses which cause lot of people to turn away from his teachings...
he should not do a thing which was not authorised to him... instead of rejecting the verses there were other solutions which could solve the problems for him but i dnt know why God let it happen like it , otherwise 19 would be a Big idol , now after that atleast people use reason instead of blind faith...
