What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

Man_of_Faith

MOF since I have been doing some readings about your points of view and trying to figure out its origin. Whats the difference between your interpretations and Gnosticism?

Not much difference except misconception and superstitious additions. What is usually called Gnosticism today is a remnant from your true origin of lore. Jesus wordings in the Biblical Gospels are among the only original pieces of decently translated writings there is today.

The origin of the teachings is from Moses if we go back through time. A fragment of truth is in the phrase 'I am who I am' which Rabb said to Moses upon his request to know God's nature.

If to add something to the previous post you will NEVER see anyone in Quran say Ya Allah (used to address someone) but will frequently say Ya Rabb. This is because God's address is Rabb. And an Arabic proper noun cannot begin with AL, so Allah cannot be a name and hence not a specific being. The only thing Allah says is 'The Who Is'.

Be well
Amenuel

Dakhan

That verse doesnt say that so please stop messing around with the translation.

Your post is useless when you dont post any arguments.

imrankhawaja

Allah is definately the lord of universe... lets fit in the very first verse of scripture to see what that brings...

priase to the Allah ,RAB of the almeen(universes/worlds) 12 original

praise to me ,rab of the almeen 12 claimed

incase i did not comprehend the actual meanings of Allah so i request MOF to put the meanings of Allah in the starting two verses to make it unnderstand... 11 and 12

peace and thanx in advance

Man_of_Faith

In chapter 1 the second verse's reference is in a riddle-like way referring like this 'Who Is' Rabb. The name/address of "God" is Rabb.

imrankhawaja

In chapter 1 the second verse's reference is in a riddle-like way referring like this 'Who Is' Rabb. The name/address of "God" is Rabb.

so translate it please... chapter one verse one and two... whatever understanding u have

LastDay3

MOF, LastDay3 just showed many verses in the Quran saying Allah is God or Rabb. What is your answer?

My answer is that unless you try to look at Quran with "your own eyes" that is what Quran will say.

Salaam/Peace to All,

So here is what happens when this awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith)
looks at QURAN with "his own eyes" here

MoF says Quran does not use the word Allah to refer to God ....... Allah could be you or me, it refers to someone 'Who Is'.

For this reason, our Lord AL-LAH perfectly teaches to all of HIS truthful Servants,
in the very first place, here

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98- When you read the QURAN, you shall seek refuge with AL-LAH (first of all) from the outcast Iblees/Satan.

99- He (=Iblees/Satan) --(when we are reading the QURAN)-- has no enticing-power (=sultaan) over those who truly believe, and
who put their trust in their LORD.

100- His enticing-power (=sultaan) --(when they are reading the QURAN)-- is over those who follow him (=Iblees/Satan),
and (consequently) those who set up "partners" to HIM (=AL-LAH).

(=i.e. those who claim that they themselves could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, (=25/43),

as this awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
still indicates it for himself in his own statement above.

QURAN TESTAMENT 16/98-99-100

So now let us wholeheartedly seek refuge with AL-LAH (first of all) from the outcast Iblees/Satan
--(as our Lord AL-LAH clearly commands unto all of us to do so, in the above Verse =16/9--

and now let us read QURAN which is sent down by our Lord AL-LAH
specifically in such a

most straightforward (=qayyiman =39/2

and

most clear and easy to understand (=mubeen & yassarna =15/1 & 54/17)

and

without any flaw/ambiguity in it, at all (=la iwaja =18/1),

for the Eternal Salvation and Everlasting Benefits of all of HIS truthful Servants here (=5/16),

and thus clearly and unmistakably learn The TRUTH in these crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT
again here

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3- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your LORD (=RABBUKUM).
You shall serve HIM (=abudooHU) --not anyone else =12/40!
Will you still not take heed?

32- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your True LORD (=RABBUKUM AlHaqq) --not anyone else =6/164!
So what is after The TRUTH except straying?

So, will you still be deceived and turned away --(by Iblees/Satan like this
awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) above 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113)?

164- Say Shall I seek anyone other than AL-LAH as a LORD (=RABBAN) when HE is the LORD (=RABBU) of all things?
......

QURAN TESTAMENT 10/3, 32 & 6/164

*but this awfully deluded fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
does still mistakenly/wrongfully claim that

"AL-LAH" is not our LORD (=RABB) --(according to him)-- but instead "AL-LAH" could be him!!! (*see it again with your own eyes
in his clear statement in that quote, at the very beginning above.)

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43- Have you seen the One who has taken his ego (=in Arabic hawahu) as his GOD (by claiming that
he "himself" could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH, (=43/15)

as this awfully deluded fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) still indicates it for himself above.

Can you ever be an advocate over him (to guide or save him)?
(*especially, when/if he decides to be resolute not to resist the Satanic urge upon him and continue to trust "his being" (=i.e. "ego")
as he clearly confesses it in that quote, at the very beginning of that previous post above.)

QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43

So therefore, only those who truly repent and wholeheartedly return to "AL-LAH"

as our One and Only "LORD" (="RABB&quot here (=6/164)

Whose Individual/Personal BEING is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Universe/s, all Things we can
ever imagine above us,

QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 42/11 = 112/1-4

and so HE has never appointed no "Partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,

QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 17/111

and HE has never ascribed no "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,

QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 5/72-74 = 43/19-20

shall be forgiven and saved by AL-LAH in this Most Generous & Most Benevolent Manner here,
and they shall always be truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH, in Eternal Serenity & Peace & Harmony, forever.

=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76

Remain in peace/salaam.

Cerberus

Intoxicated fellow/friend

rotfl

imrankhawaja

intoxication of what ... marijuana.. or coac... lol

imrankhawaja

So here is what happens when this awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith)

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Rekkd

I think we should let Man of Faith express his opinion freely. I joined this forum mainly because I wanted to understand his work more. Right or Wrong he brings interesting work and gives a different view of the Quran.

Personally I would never go as far as claiming that the whole concept of one God is false or that we are all within God.

When he said doesnt mean worship but devote in the cause it reminded me of a verse in the Quran that was troubling me for a while Surah 39/53 where Prophet Mohamed was telling the people "Ya ibadi". I have seen alot of explainations for it but it still didnt feel right. Changing the meaning of the world would fix that for me. However, I'm still doing my own research so this is not the conclusion for me.

I'm not saying I believe everything he says, but just like from RK I took what I felt was right/good and left everything else. I would like to see a video of you MOF or Skype so I could see your face while we talk about this.

Cerberus

It's like when you were a kid in that math class. And the teacher gives you an equation to solve.
You compare your result with your friend next to you, and you find different results.

Rekkd

It's like when you were a kid in that math class. And the teacher gives you an equation to solve.
You compare your result with your friend next to you, and you find different results.

Lol ya dont remind me of those horrible math classes laugh

imrankhawaja

ibadat word mean worship and the meanings of worship is not what usually we consider like rituals...

worship mean to serve,to obey, to devote, to submit...to glorify , thanksgiving, honouring all are synonyms and one more thing sometimes language borrowed words in form of imaginary , methaporically to give us closing understandings.. when that word ibadat we apply to God we assume its about rituals or pray although these are also a part of ibadat .. but not ibadat itself.. abadat is a wide concept ..

there are different situations occurs in our life and what we do in these situation is a real test.. and how you react is your action of worship.. example somebody rob you and it does not mean you rob somebody else for making your loss turn into profit... the submission is to do patience and wait for the judgement of God.. soon you will realsie you lose nothing...its just an example... so basically we have commmands from our lord that must carry on ..

imrankhawaja

Lol ya dont remind me of those horrible math classes laugh

aww i love math .. always... but i always feel most of the people run away from it.. thats the only thing u need to understand the concept ...and then u solve any figure provided to you...but other subjects like science , social studies,history, litereture, commerece most of the people memorise it ... without any practical benefit...

but one day i ask from my math teacher all these difficult question what is the use of these things in practical life.. what we are getting by it actually apart from counting things on daily basis but counting normal things is not really hard.. so what is the purpose of these diffcult step by step questions .. he never gave me answer... peace

Man_of_Faith

ibadat word mean worship

Why are you so sure about that? Have you ever browsed old lexicons for definitions or are you listening to scholars for which may cause you to be gullible?

Devotion is otherwise a quite safe say for the word. Some say service, but devotion weighs heavier on service with enthusiasm since when devoted you tend to do it with the whole of your heart.

A definition one may find is cling unto and it seems that you do something with great interest and passion when .

Be well
Amenuel

imrankhawaja

Why are you so sure about that? Have you ever browsed old lexicons for definitions or are you listening to scholars for which may cause you to be gullible?

Devotion is otherwise a quite safe say for the word. Some say service, but devotion weighs heavier on service with enthusiasm since when devoted you tend to do it with the whole of your heart.

in case if you did not read my full post...

worship mean to serve,to obey, to devote, to submit

we are talking about worship... ibadat is an arabic word... and when translate it to worship people take ideas which are most of the time not in line with actual concept... if u re read my post may b u will find what i was on about

imrankhawaja

@ mof u did not gave the answer to my previous post.. u was about to translate something for me... in case you are unable to do let me know .. plz..

Cerberus

I see you are very eager to get that 2000 post score, Imran police

imrankhawaja

I see you are very eager to get that 2000 post score, Imran police

hahahaha , really... what make you think like that... mr sherlock holmes police

LastDay3

I think we should let "Man of Faith" express his opinion freely. I joined this forum mainly because I wanted to understand his work more.
Right or Wrong he brings interesting work and gives a different view of the Quran.

Salaam/Peace Rekkd,

Welcome to the "Free-Minds" here, welcome
and yes, I also strongly believe that everyone can and should and will always express his/her opinion freely here, inshaAL-LAH,
without any restriction, at all,

but we should also never forget that

in such free platforms,
for example, such awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated Guys (=like "Samarian" in the time of Prophet Moses)
under the influence of Iblees/Satan also expressed his opinion freely there (by the support of his open and covert friends/followers there),
in the absence of Prophet Moses (Peace be upon Him) there,
and thereby he concocted a false and imaginary god (=in the form of a statue of a calf) and then introduced it as

the One and Only Real GOD of Moses and of all Believers there (=20/87-88),

and then this "Samarian" and his open and covert friends/followers there also immediately declared all truthful believers (including Prophet Aaron there)
who absolutely refuted and rejected to follow "Samarian" and his false and imaginary god there as totally astray and mistaken Guys,

and thus Prophet Aaron (Peace be upon Him) and all truthful Believers were (physically/verbally) oppressed and threatened by those
open and covert cronies of "Samarian" there, when they despotically came into power there for sometime (=7/150),

and finally, when Prophet Moses (Peace be upon Him) returned from the Mountain,
he immediately exposed and absolutely refuted and rejected that false and imaginary god
concocted by "Samarian" under the influence of Iblees/Satan there,

and then Prophet Moses (PbuH) rightfully introduced

the One and Only Real GOD of Moses and of all Believers,
in this perfectly clear, unmistakable and straightforward Manner there (=20/95-98).

So our Lord AL-LAH clearly and unmistakably teaches us
that such "Samarians" who will be manipulated by the Command of Iblees/Satan
will always come out in every Age,

=QURAN TESTAMENT 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113
(*so please, absolutely see these Verses again, clearly and openly, in my previous posts above.)

and so therefore, it is a most Essential and important Duty/Responsibility upon each and every truthful Believer here,

to clearly expose such "Samarians," first of all, who are awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated under the influence of Iblees/Satan,

and then again, it is a most Essential and important Duty/Responsibility upon each and every truthful Believer here,

to absolutely refute and reject the false and imaginary gods concocted by such "Samarians" under the influence of Iblees/Satan,

(*such false and imaginary gods who would take some megalomaniac "humans" and eventually turn them into ultra megalomaniac "angelic gods"
to be natural/intrinsic "partners" and a "portion/share/piece/part" of those false and imaginary gods

are called "jibt and taghoot" in QURAN TESTAMENT (=4/51, 60)

and our Lord AL-LAH rightfully commands unto all of HIS truthful Servants to utterly refute and reject such false and imaginary gods
concocted by megalomaniac Iblees/Satan to deceive all the sick minded humans with hugely inflated egos
in order to totally exploit the naive and the gullible who would blindly follow them therein

=QURAN TESTAMENT 4/51 = 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 43/19-20 = 53/19-23, 27-30

*in this respect, we should clearly see again what this awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (="Man of Faith&quot
under the influence of Iblees/Satan above, clearly says here

"MoF" says Quran does not use the word ALLAH to refer to GOD .......

ALLAH could be you or "Me", it refers to "SomeOne" 'Who Is'.

So consequently, when this awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (="Man of Faith&quot read the QURAN
he reads it thinking that this Most Essential and Important Word (=AL-LAH) always refers to "himself" therein, first of all !!!

So, we should clearly see that this is not an "enormously bewildering situation" here, what we are dealing with,
but this is an "Insanely TRAGIC Situation" here !!!

=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43 & 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113 & 16/98-99-100
(*so in this respect, please, absolutely see these Verses again, clearly and openly, in my previous posts above.)

And finally, if we see all of those crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT --(in each of my previous posts above),
we can clearly and unmistakably recognize the "Samarians" of this Age --(as there are many such "Samarians" especially in cyber world
also with many --open and covert-- blind friends/followers of them therein, in this Final Age),

and therefore again, it is a most Essential and important Duty/Responsibility upon each and every truthful Believer here,
to clearly and unmistakably emphasize this Fact

for the Eternal Salvation and Everlasting Benefits of all Humanity --(including even those "Samarians" and their "blind friends/followers" above),
here again, thus