What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?
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MOF, LastDay3 just showed many verses in the Quran saying Allah is God or Rabb. What is your answer?
My answer is that unless you try to look at Quran with your own eyes that is what Quran will say.
I would urge you to reflect on the word Allah in greater carefulness.
Be well
Amenuel -
MOF since I have been doing some readings about your points of view and trying to figure out its origin. Whats the difference between your interpretations and Gnosticism?
Not much difference except misconception and superstitious additions. What is usually called Gnosticism today is a remnant from your true origin of lore. Jesus wordings in the Biblical Gospels are among the only original pieces of decently translated writings there is today.
The origin of the teachings is from Moses if we go back through time. A fragment of truth is in the phrase 'I am who I am' which Rabb said to Moses upon his request to know God's nature.
If to add something to the previous post you will NEVER see anyone in Quran say Ya Allah (used to address someone) but will frequently say Ya Rabb. This is because God's address is Rabb. And an Arabic proper noun cannot begin with AL, so Allah cannot be a name and hence not a specific being. The only thing Allah says is 'The Who Is'.
Be well
Amenuel -
Allah is definately the lord of universe... lets fit in the very first verse of scripture to see what that brings...
priase to the Allah ,RAB of the almeen(universes/worlds) 12 original
praise to me ,rab of the almeen 12 claimed
incase i did not comprehend the actual meanings of Allah so i request MOF to put the meanings of Allah in the starting two verses to make it unnderstand... 11 and 12
peace and thanx in advance
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In chapter 1 the second verse's reference is in a riddle-like way referring like this 'Who Is' Rabb. The name/address of "God" is Rabb.
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In chapter 1 the second verse's reference is in a riddle-like way referring like this 'Who Is' Rabb. The name/address of "God" is Rabb.
so translate it please... chapter one verse one and two... whatever understanding u have
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MOF, LastDay3 just showed many verses in the Quran saying Allah is God or Rabb. What is your answer?
My answer is that unless you try to look at Quran with "your own eyes" that is what Quran will say.
Salaam/Peace to All,
So here is what happens when this awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith)
looks at QURAN with "his own eyes" hereMoF says Quran does not use the word Allah to refer to God ....... Allah could be you or me, it refers to someone 'Who Is'.
For this reason, our Lord AL-LAH perfectly teaches to all of HIS truthful Servants,
in the very first place, here==========
98- When you read the QURAN, you shall seek refuge with AL-LAH (first of all) from the outcast Iblees/Satan.99- He (=Iblees/Satan) --(when we are reading the QURAN)-- has no enticing-power (=sultaan) over those who truly believe, and
who put their trust in their LORD.100- His enticing-power (=sultaan) --(when they are reading the QURAN)-- is over those who follow him (=Iblees/Satan),
and (consequently) those who set up "partners" to HIM (=AL-LAH).(=i.e. those who claim that they themselves could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, (=25/43),
as this awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
still indicates it for himself in his own statement above.QURAN TESTAMENT 16/98-99-100
So now let us wholeheartedly seek refuge with AL-LAH (first of all) from the outcast Iblees/Satan
--(as our Lord AL-LAH clearly commands unto all of us to do so, in the above Verse =16/9--and now let us read QURAN which is sent down by our Lord AL-LAH
specifically in such amost straightforward (=qayyiman =39/2
and
most clear and easy to understand (=mubeen & yassarna =15/1 & 54/17)
and
without any flaw/ambiguity in it, at all (=la iwaja =18/1),
for the Eternal Salvation and Everlasting Benefits of all of HIS truthful Servants here (=5/16),
and thus clearly and unmistakably learn The TRUTH in these crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT
again here==========
3- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your LORD (=RABBUKUM).
You shall serve HIM (=abudooHU) --not anyone else =12/40!
Will you still not take heed?
32- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your True LORD (=RABBUKUM AlHaqq) --not anyone else =6/164!
So what is after The TRUTH except straying?So, will you still be deceived and turned away --(by Iblees/Satan like this
awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) above 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113)?
164- Say Shall I seek anyone other than AL-LAH as a LORD (=RABBAN) when HE is the LORD (=RABBU) of all things?
......QURAN TESTAMENT 10/3, 32 & 6/164
*but this awfully deluded fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
does still mistakenly/wrongfully claim that"AL-LAH" is not our LORD (=RABB) --(according to him)-- but instead "AL-LAH" could be him!!! (*see it again with your own eyes
in his clear statement in that quote, at the very beginning above.)
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43- Have you seen the One who has taken his ego (=in Arabic hawahu) as his GOD (by claiming that
he "himself" could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH, (=43/15)as this awfully deluded fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) still indicates it for himself above.
Can you ever be an advocate over him (to guide or save him)?
(*especially, when/if he decides to be resolute not to resist the Satanic urge upon him and continue to trust "his being" (=i.e. "ego")
as he clearly confesses it in that quote, at the very beginning of that previous post above.)QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43
So therefore, only those who truly repent and wholeheartedly return to "AL-LAH"
as our One and Only "LORD" (="RABB" here (=6/164)
Whose Individual/Personal BEING is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Universe/s, all Things we can
ever imagine above us,QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 42/11 = 112/1-4
and so HE has never appointed no "Partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 17/111
and HE has never ascribed no "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 5/72-74 = 43/19-20
shall be forgiven and saved by AL-LAH in this Most Generous & Most Benevolent Manner here,
and they shall always be truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH, in Eternal Serenity & Peace & Harmony, forever.=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76
Remain in peace/salaam.
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intoxication of what ... marijuana.. or coac... lol
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So here is what happens when this awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith)
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I think we should let Man of Faith express his opinion freely. I joined this forum mainly because I wanted to understand his work more. Right or Wrong he brings interesting work and gives a different view of the Quran.
Personally I would never go as far as claiming that the whole concept of one God is false or that we are all within God.
When he said doesnt mean worship but devote in the cause it reminded me of a verse in the Quran that was troubling me for a while Surah 39/53 where Prophet Mohamed was telling the people "Ya ibadi". I have seen alot of explainations for it but it still didnt feel right. Changing the meaning of the world would fix that for me. However, I'm still doing my own research so this is not the conclusion for me.
I'm not saying I believe everything he says, but just like from RK I took what I felt was right/good and left everything else. I would like to see a video of you MOF or Skype so I could see your face while we talk about this.
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ibadat word mean worship and the meanings of worship is not what usually we consider like rituals...
worship mean to serve,to obey, to devote, to submit...to glorify , thanksgiving, honouring all are synonyms and one more thing sometimes language borrowed words in form of imaginary , methaporically to give us closing understandings.. when that word ibadat we apply to God we assume its about rituals or pray although these are also a part of ibadat .. but not ibadat itself.. abadat is a wide concept ..
there are different situations occurs in our life and what we do in these situation is a real test.. and how you react is your action of worship.. example somebody rob you and it does not mean you rob somebody else for making your loss turn into profit... the submission is to do patience and wait for the judgement of God.. soon you will realsie you lose nothing...its just an example... so basically we have commmands from our lord that must carry on ..
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Lol ya dont remind me of those horrible math classes laugh
aww i love math .. always... but i always feel most of the people run away from it.. thats the only thing u need to understand the concept ...and then u solve any figure provided to you...but other subjects like science , social studies,history, litereture, commerece most of the people memorise it ... without any practical benefit...
but one day i ask from my math teacher all these difficult question what is the use of these things in practical life.. what we are getting by it actually apart from counting things on daily basis but counting normal things is not really hard.. so what is the purpose of these diffcult step by step questions .. he never gave me answer... peace
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ibadat word mean worship
Why are you so sure about that? Have you ever browsed old lexicons for definitions or are you listening to scholars for which may cause you to be gullible?
Devotion is otherwise a quite safe say for the word. Some say service, but devotion weighs heavier on service with enthusiasm since when devoted you tend to do it with the whole of your heart.
A definition one may find is cling unto and it seems that you do something with great interest and passion when .
Be well
Amenuel -
Why are you so sure about that? Have you ever browsed old lexicons for definitions or are you listening to scholars for which may cause you to be gullible?
Devotion is otherwise a quite safe say for the word. Some say service, but devotion weighs heavier on service with enthusiasm since when devoted you tend to do it with the whole of your heart.
in case if you did not read my full post...
worship mean to serve,to obey, to devote, to submit
we are talking about worship... ibadat is an arabic word... and when translate it to worship people take ideas which are most of the time not in line with actual concept... if u re read my post may b u will find what i was on about
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@ mof u did not gave the answer to my previous post.. u was about to translate something for me... in case you are unable to do let me know .. plz..