What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?
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Man of faith, you said God is a foundation giver or a platform for development.
Yes.
Then who created us?
Those who are contained in Rabb already as angels/managers/controllers, e.g. Gabriel and Michael, but it is more accurate to say your Foundation initiated you.
Why does the Quran tell us not to worship anything else?
Quran does not say "worship" when it uses the word "ay-be-da" () but it means "devote" and refers to be devoted to whatever cause. If you can find the word for worship in a positive light I will give you a medal.
Why does the Quran give the greatest attributes to God?
Because God is of great encompassing. But the sectarian interpreters choose the wrong phrase to use to say "God is greater", but they should have used the root
Ayn-Za-Miim = great, important, big, regard, honour, mighty, glorious, a man of moment, All-mighty, All-glorious, grievous, bounty/abounding, magnify/increase. azzama - to make great.
And Quran does not use the word Allah to refer to God but Rabb is the word . Allah could be you or me, it refers to someone 'Who Is'.
Why is polytheism one of the greatest sins?
Because that was the opinion of the medieval interpreters who sought to make a doctrine towards what they considered blasphemous. They forced the writing to condemn association which it does not but actually encourages it. If you compare the above "Allahu akabar" you can clearly see that they could not have known much about the language.
Do you believe we should worship him?
No. What use does God have from our worship? Is he a worldly dictator king who could be admired by such act? The only commitment for us is to evolve ourselves into God's likeness.
When we become angels will we be servants, because I feel you are trying to say we become equal to God, right?
You are not entirely understanding me properly. God encompasses more than you and me together, but we can have power through God and we are not considered like minions. There is no real hierarchy but you are what you are and evolve to become.
Also like hansolo said, why imposter? Hadith books are made up right, so he was a great person to be sent the Quran.
Despite that, he is not portrayed in any enlightening way by the sectarian interpretation of Quran.
Be well
Amenuel -
Worship no one but the one Lord of the Universe, the God of all mankind and everything within the Earth and Universe both visible and that beyond the realms of perception (6102)
Do not set up any God, idol, or anything else along with the worship of God. Worship him alone with no partners or intercessors (1739)
Following your desires and your lusts over God's laws are akin to idol worship and following your desires is tantamount to setting up rivals with your Lord (2543)
Do not follow your forefathers blindly (2170)
Do not follow your leaders and religious guides blindly (3367; 931)
Verify information for yourself (1736) Do not be led like the cattle (7179)
Establish regular prayers, enjoin good and kindness and forbid the doing of wrong (3117; 177
Spend in time of plenty and also in time of hardship (3134)
Restrain your anger and forgive others (3134)Help the needy, the oppressed, the destitute, orphans, the hungry, enjoin patience, self restraint, kindness and compassion (90.11-1
Do not abuse or revile other people's God's or Deities (610
Do not covet (crave / desire with envy) with respect to what has been given to others by God (432; 1588; 20131)
Do not distinguish between any of God's messengers (2285)Do not slander or backbite (4112; 4912; 6012)
Do not laugh at each other with the purpose of mocking or defaming each other (4911)
Do not be sarcastic to one another (4911)
Do not call each other by offensive nicknames (4911)Avoid suspicion as much as possible as in some cases this can be a sin (4912)
Do not assign piety to yourselves or to other people. You will never know who is really pious. This knowledge is only with God (5332)Stand up against injustice, even if it means you have to go against yourselves, your parents, kinsfolk, the rich and poor (4135)
At all times, keep a subdued voice and don't communicate in a harsh or loud voice (3119)
Bear in patience whatever may befall you (3117)Don't come near to adultery and watch matters that can lead to adultery (1732)
Do not rob or steal (538-39; 6012)Listen to Quran when it is recited, so you may learn from it and God's mercy may be shown to you (7204)
Do not refuse small kindnesses, like a smile, a good word, (1071-7)Speak a gentle word, even to your enemies (2044)
Only fight in self defence. Never as aggressors (2190-194) ( A Message of Peace or to Live by the Sword?)
Be charitable and pay the poor their due (Numerous references throughout the Quran)
Do not cover truth with falsehood or mix them together, nor conceal the Truth when you know what it is (242)
Do not become divided and break yourself into sects (3103)
Do not use compulsion in religion (2256) (Forced Faith is No Faith)Consult each other in all affairs (religious or otherwise) (4238 656; 3159) (Consultation)
Don't turn your face away from people in false pride and don't walk proudly on the earth. God does not like people who are self conceited and act in a boastful manner (3118; 1737)
Never kill anyone unjustly unless for causes under established law. Unfortunately, if this happens, the heir have rights of retribution, but just retribution. They too need to be aware of not to transgress (1733)
guys before looking anywhere lets see first what is here... in most of the cases the verses are giving answers of all of your questions...
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Man of Faith what makes you think that the Mohammad we know is an imposter ?
Peace
1400 years ago people ask similar type of questions... here the answer...?
532 Your honored companion is neither in error, nor is he misled
533 Nor does he speak from personal desire.
534 It is a divine inspiration.
535 He has been taught by One mighty in power.
536 Free from any defect, he became stable. -
XD you wont change your mind anytime soon I guess.
Anyways, heaven or the world after death would be ideal if my parents and siblings are happy, and if I'm with them then that would be awesome. A sexy hot blonde wouldn't hurt too (I'm an Arab it's in my nature ;P)
Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that. There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement. We would only see our fellow believers as a family. I am sorry bro.
Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife. Feel sorry for the hadith-believers who think they have to pray and sing from the Quran to get their deceased familymembers to paradise.... lol
When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.
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Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that. There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement. We would only see our fellow believers as a family. I am sorry bro.
Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife. Feel sorry for the hadith-believers who think they have to pray and sing from the Quran to get their deceased familymembers to paradise.... lol
When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.
Isn't 23101 only talking about the ties that a concealer has? (Taking 2399-100 into consideration)
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Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that. There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement. We would only see our fellow believers as a family. I am sorry bro.
Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife. Feel sorry for the hadith-believers who think they have to pray and sing from the Quran to get their deceased familymembers to paradise.... lol
When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.
That verse doesnt say that so please stop messing around with the translation.
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These are the straightforward personal Statements/Opinions of this fellow-friend (=Man of Faith)
in his above posts= And Quran does not use the word Allah to refer to God ....... Allah could be you or me, it refers to someone 'Who Is'.
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= Not at all. I just have a wholehearted mission to help people help themselves out of their "delusion" .........
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= In fact my will in doing this is not my own but of what sent me. Not sure if I can resist. I trust "my being".
Salaam/Peace Man of Faith,
you are still in such an awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated state of mind
under the influence of Iblees/Satan above,as it is clearly foretold in QURAN TESTAMENT that Iblees/Satan would manage to deceive and recruit
such deluded Humans in this worldQURAN TESTAMENT 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113
I have already presented all of these essential Verses, clearly and openly, (=17/64 = 6/71, 112-113 = .........)
and we have already clearly witnessed how crooked and deluded your interpretations are,
based on your weird lexicons and free fabricating skill, herehttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608850.msg395733#msg395733
So, I do not want to waste any more time by replying to all of your other such satanic delusion and nonsense in your above posts.
The only Positive/Beneficial Thing for me in seeing and hearing your such utterly deluded and crooked interpretations and horrific delusions,
here and there, in this Forum,is that I can thus clearly witness the Fact that
what our Lord AL-LAH unmistakably and perfectly teaches to all of HIS truthful Servants
in these Most Essential Verses in QURAN TESTAMENTperfectly Come True, here thus
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3- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your LORD (=RABBUKUM). You shall serve HIM (=abudooHU) --not anyone else =12/40!
Will you still not take heed?
*but this awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
does still mistakenly/wrongfully claim that"AL-LAH" is not our LORD (=RABB) --(according to him)-- but instead "AL-LAH" could be him!!! (*see it again with your own eyes
in his clear statement in that quote, at the very beginning above.)
32- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your True LORD (=RABBUKUM) --not anyone else =6/164!
So what is after The TRUTH except straying?So, will you still be deceived and turned away --(by Iblees/Satan like this
awfully deluded fellow/friend (Man of Faith) here 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113)?QURAN TESTAMENT 10/3 & 32
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43- Have you seen the One who has taken his ego (=in Arabic hawahu) as his GOD (by claiming that
he "himself" is AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH,as this awfully deluded fellow/friend (Man of Faith) still indicates it for himself above.
Can you ever be an advocate over him (to guide or save him)?
(*especially, when/if he insists on being resolute not to resist the Satanic urge upon him and continue to trust "his being,"
as he clearly confesses it in that quote, at the very beginning above.)44- Or do you think that most of them (who would blindly follow such utterly deluded Guys, as there are many of them nowadays
especially in the cyber world in this Final Age)-- hear or comprehend?They are just like livestock (=i.e. they would act in "herd mentality" above, unconsciously following the "spiritual" Leadership
of such utterly deluded Guys above. These kind of false-fake messiahs & false-fake mahdees appointed by Iblees/Satan
have clearly and unmistakably been foretold in the QURAN here (=6/71 & 6/93).Indeed, they are farthest astray --(when/if they willfully insist on their ignorance and arrogance till the very end of
their normal life here =4/17-1.QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43-44
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64- So, you will entice (o Iblees/Satan) whoever you can of them (=Humans) with your voice,(=i.e. in every new Age/Century, Iblees/Satan thus chooses some people from among Humans and thus --(primarily, introducing himself to them
as an honorable "Angel "-- instructs with his voice into their hearts & minds his false agenda/teaching above)--and (o Iblees/Satan) you will provoke them with all your forces and pupils (=such jinn and human followers of Iblees/Satan here =6/112-113 = 128-129),
and you will also be a partner to them in their money and children, and promise them (that they will be "Angels"to be immortal "partners" and a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH,
as we clearly see it in the story of our ancestors "Adam and Eve" in the first place,
how Iblees/Satan approached to them and promised them that they would be such "Angels" and "Immortal"
if they listen to and absolutely follow his advice there, in the very beginning =7/20-21 & 43/15-16, 19-20),But the Iblees/Satan thus promises (to them) nothing but deceit!
65- As for MY Servants (=i.e. our ancestors Adam and Eve and all of their truthful descendants all truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH,
perfectly described in these Verses here 2/37 = 21/19-20, 26-2you will have no enticing-power (=sultaan) over them. For your LORD suffices as (their) Guardian.
QURAN TESTAMENT 17/64-65
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112- And as such, We have made for every Prophet rivals,
the human and the jinn devils who inspire each other fancy messages (=e.g. like that of MoF's fancy messages above) in order to deceive.
Had your LORD willed, they would not have done it. So you shall disregard them and what they fabricate.113- So that the hearts of those who do not truly believe in the Hereafter will incline towards it (=those kind of fancy messages above),
and they will like it, and they will try to gain thereof what they want to gain (as of worldly gains, or egotistic gains
such as wrongfully claiming "himself" to be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH,thus to satisfy their megalomaniac sick minds and inflated egos).
QURAN TESTAMENT 6/112-113
And these kind of utterly deluded and heavily intoxicated Guys under the influence of that megalomaniac Iblees/Satan above,
may see themselves essentially and always as perfectly guided and guiding (absolutely insightful and full of wisdom) Teachers/Leaders of all others,as it is clearly pointed out in these Verses
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71- ......... This is like the one whom the devils (=i.e. those human and jinn devils mentioned in the above Verses) have managed to mislead him on the earth,
so, he is utterly deluded (=in Arabic hayraan),
he has also some (gullible and naive) friends/followers who call and advocate him as (the One who perfectly guides people) to the Guidance,
(inviting everyone) "You should come to us!"Say "The Guidance is only The Guidance (=i.e. "19" coded, most Superb and matchless Universal QURANIC Message) of AL-LAH
here, in this Final Age, for all Humanity (=74/26-30, 31),and we have been ordered to surrender to the LORD of the Worlds,
as the One and Only GOD
Whose Individual/Personal BEING is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Universe/s, all Things we can
ever imagine above us,QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 42/11 = 112/1-4
and so HE has never appointed no "Partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 17/111
and HE has never ascribed no "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 5/72-74 = 43/19-20
shall be forgiven and saved by AL-LAH in this Most Generous & Most Benevolent Manner here,
and they shall be truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH, in Eternal Serenity & Peace & Harmony, forever.=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76
Remain in peace/salaam.
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MOF, LastDay3 just showed many verses in the Quran saying Allah is God or Rabb. What is your answer?
My answer is that unless you try to look at Quran with your own eyes that is what Quran will say.
I would urge you to reflect on the word Allah in greater carefulness.
Be well
Amenuel -
MOF since I have been doing some readings about your points of view and trying to figure out its origin. Whats the difference between your interpretations and Gnosticism?
Not much difference except misconception and superstitious additions. What is usually called Gnosticism today is a remnant from your true origin of lore. Jesus wordings in the Biblical Gospels are among the only original pieces of decently translated writings there is today.
The origin of the teachings is from Moses if we go back through time. A fragment of truth is in the phrase 'I am who I am' which Rabb said to Moses upon his request to know God's nature.
If to add something to the previous post you will NEVER see anyone in Quran say Ya Allah (used to address someone) but will frequently say Ya Rabb. This is because God's address is Rabb. And an Arabic proper noun cannot begin with AL, so Allah cannot be a name and hence not a specific being. The only thing Allah says is 'The Who Is'.
Be well
Amenuel -
Allah is definately the lord of universe... lets fit in the very first verse of scripture to see what that brings...
priase to the Allah ,RAB of the almeen(universes/worlds) 12 original
praise to me ,rab of the almeen 12 claimed
incase i did not comprehend the actual meanings of Allah so i request MOF to put the meanings of Allah in the starting two verses to make it unnderstand... 11 and 12
peace and thanx in advance
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In chapter 1 the second verse's reference is in a riddle-like way referring like this 'Who Is' Rabb. The name/address of "God" is Rabb.
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In chapter 1 the second verse's reference is in a riddle-like way referring like this 'Who Is' Rabb. The name/address of "God" is Rabb.
so translate it please... chapter one verse one and two... whatever understanding u have
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MOF, LastDay3 just showed many verses in the Quran saying Allah is God or Rabb. What is your answer?
My answer is that unless you try to look at Quran with "your own eyes" that is what Quran will say.
Salaam/Peace to All,
So here is what happens when this awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith)
looks at QURAN with "his own eyes" hereMoF says Quran does not use the word Allah to refer to God ....... Allah could be you or me, it refers to someone 'Who Is'.
For this reason, our Lord AL-LAH perfectly teaches to all of HIS truthful Servants,
in the very first place, here==========
98- When you read the QURAN, you shall seek refuge with AL-LAH (first of all) from the outcast Iblees/Satan.99- He (=Iblees/Satan) --(when we are reading the QURAN)-- has no enticing-power (=sultaan) over those who truly believe, and
who put their trust in their LORD.100- His enticing-power (=sultaan) --(when they are reading the QURAN)-- is over those who follow him (=Iblees/Satan),
and (consequently) those who set up "partners" to HIM (=AL-LAH).(=i.e. those who claim that they themselves could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, (=25/43),
as this awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
still indicates it for himself in his own statement above.QURAN TESTAMENT 16/98-99-100
So now let us wholeheartedly seek refuge with AL-LAH (first of all) from the outcast Iblees/Satan
--(as our Lord AL-LAH clearly commands unto all of us to do so, in the above Verse =16/9--and now let us read QURAN which is sent down by our Lord AL-LAH
specifically in such amost straightforward (=qayyiman =39/2
and
most clear and easy to understand (=mubeen & yassarna =15/1 & 54/17)
and
without any flaw/ambiguity in it, at all (=la iwaja =18/1),
for the Eternal Salvation and Everlasting Benefits of all of HIS truthful Servants here (=5/16),
and thus clearly and unmistakably learn The TRUTH in these crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT
again here==========
3- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your LORD (=RABBUKUM).
You shall serve HIM (=abudooHU) --not anyone else =12/40!
Will you still not take heed?
32- ...... Thus, AL-LAH is your True LORD (=RABBUKUM AlHaqq) --not anyone else =6/164!
So what is after The TRUTH except straying?So, will you still be deceived and turned away --(by Iblees/Satan like this
awfully deluded and horrifically intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) above 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113)?
164- Say Shall I seek anyone other than AL-LAH as a LORD (=RABBAN) when HE is the LORD (=RABBU) of all things?
......QURAN TESTAMENT 10/3, 32 & 6/164
*but this awfully deluded fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) under the influence of Iblees/Satan above
does still mistakenly/wrongfully claim that"AL-LAH" is not our LORD (=RABB) --(according to him)-- but instead "AL-LAH" could be him!!! (*see it again with your own eyes
in his clear statement in that quote, at the very beginning above.)
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43- Have you seen the One who has taken his ego (=in Arabic hawahu) as his GOD (by claiming that
he "himself" could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH, (=43/15)as this awfully deluded fellow/friend (=Man of Faith) still indicates it for himself above.
Can you ever be an advocate over him (to guide or save him)?
(*especially, when/if he decides to be resolute not to resist the Satanic urge upon him and continue to trust "his being" (=i.e. "ego")
as he clearly confesses it in that quote, at the very beginning of that previous post above.)QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43
So therefore, only those who truly repent and wholeheartedly return to "AL-LAH"
as our One and Only "LORD" (="RABB" here (=6/164)
Whose Individual/Personal BEING is absolutely Different/Separate/Distinct above and beyond all Universe/s, all Things we can
ever imagine above us,QURAN TESTAMENT 70/4 = 42/11 = 112/1-4
and so HE has never appointed no "Partners" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,QURAN TESTAMENT 6/163 = 17/111
and HE has never ascribed no "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIMSELF from any of HIS Servants (=i.e. Humans, Angels, Jinns, etc.),
in no way, at all,QURAN TESTAMENT 43/15 = 5/17-18 = 5/72-74 = 43/19-20
shall be forgiven and saved by AL-LAH in this Most Generous & Most Benevolent Manner here,
and they shall always be truthful Human Servants of AL-LAH, in Eternal Serenity & Peace & Harmony, forever.=QURAN TESTAMENT 25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76
Remain in peace/salaam.
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intoxication of what ... marijuana.. or coac... lol
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So here is what happens when this awfully deluded and heavily intoxicated fellow/friend (=Man of Faith)
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I think we should let Man of Faith express his opinion freely. I joined this forum mainly because I wanted to understand his work more. Right or Wrong he brings interesting work and gives a different view of the Quran.
Personally I would never go as far as claiming that the whole concept of one God is false or that we are all within God.
When he said doesnt mean worship but devote in the cause it reminded me of a verse in the Quran that was troubling me for a while Surah 39/53 where Prophet Mohamed was telling the people "Ya ibadi". I have seen alot of explainations for it but it still didnt feel right. Changing the meaning of the world would fix that for me. However, I'm still doing my own research so this is not the conclusion for me.
I'm not saying I believe everything he says, but just like from RK I took what I felt was right/good and left everything else. I would like to see a video of you MOF or Skype so I could see your face while we talk about this.