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    Adam_The_Warner
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    An English translation of the Gospel - 1 Peter 223 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

    An English translation of the Quran - 546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what was present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.

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      To not retaliate is a show of mental strength.

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        To not retaliate is a show of mental strength.

        Yeah, the verses are loud and clear.

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          But if someone just slapped you, wouldn't you want to slap back?

          Wouldn't it show you as weak to the other people? Wouldn't it show the others that "Hey guys! You can slap me and get away with it!" ?

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            But if someone just slapped you, wouldn't you want to slap back?

            Wouldn't it show you as weak to the other people? Wouldn't it show the others that "Hey guys! You can slap me and get away with it!" ?

            depend on the situation of a person forexample a person holding gun like , harrison ford holding gun in the picture and then he slap you one two three , you will not slap him back ...

            its shows human being is intelligent lol just kidding bro... chill out ...

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              i remember once a person was doing experiment with honey bee...

              and he cut her wings , and said her,, fly now... she did not fly...

              i asked from him, what is the result of experiment,,

              he said experiment show, if you cut the wings of honey bee its mean she cant listen,, thats why she did not fly ...
              rotfl rotfl

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                But if someone just slapped you, wouldn't you want to slap back?

                Wouldn't it show you as weak to the other people? Wouldn't it show the others that "Hey guys! You can slap me and get away with it!" ?

                If you can just stand there you are ready. Like Jesus said "offer the other side". Well, you can react like asking "what is wrong, brother/sister?" instead of getting violent. The point with Jesus and older teachings is that such retaliation is just fighting fire with fire.

                It might feel good for you to beat the guy to the ground who slapped you, but what difference does it make except to give you a hormone rush? There will not be less violence in the world due to your action and the slapping person will probably be emotional again. If you turn everything around instead and show empathy for the person perhaps you can reach his/her consciousness. Otherwise the person will be confounded why you are not hitting back and it has a little affection overall in society and if more people do like you there will be a difference eventually.

                If someone wishes to slap you despite that you have done nothing that person has some kind of severe problem.

                You are not weak because you are not hitting back. Self-defense is legit, but it should not be triggered due to emotions and only be a logical reaction due to the necessity, i.e. the situation requires your input for the concern of safety, e.g. the person points a knife at you or is going to all out strike you in an effort to inflict considerable damage. This would mean you might die and this can be stopped. If you can disarm and subdue the person without any damage to him/her this is great and after that you can talk like a friend to him/her and ask "how do you fare in life my poor brother/sister that you assault me for no reason?", or perhaps if he/she did it because of, for example, poverty then offer him something and have a chat about morality. Might not work on a person who lacks an intact soul though but then all you can do is pity him/her, hard to help such people.

                The point is that we should treat our enemy too as ourselves even if the feeling is not mutual. If the person insists on the same hostile relationship the problem is theirs and not yours.

                One of the directives of "God" is that we should not strive to defeat anyone. This is very important. And according to Jesus we should not even be angry with anyone. And I say to you that you should not even let it disturb your inner peace. Remain at maximum control and act patiently and focused.

                Like I said, if you need to raise your arm against the person it must not stem from emotions but due to it being the most logical thing to do given the situation. Before that you should deal in shrewd diplomacy and helping the person. And only go on with as much force as the situation requires and then talk to the person again afterwards if it is possible and that still emotionally unaffected and ask if you can help him/her.

                The world would be a better place if everyone could do the above, but best if there was not anyone who was treated in such a way they become criminals. The world in many ways grows criminals because of how it is.

                Be well
                Amenuel

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                  I like that answer alot!!

                  One of the directives of "God" is that we should not strive to defeat anyone. This is very important. And according to Jesus we should not even be angry with anyone. And I say to you that you should not even let it disturb your inner peace. Remain at maximum control and act patiently and focused.

                  If you are at peace and inner strength, by practicing a healthy kind of surrender, then indeed such events won't be able to trigger too much emotions, and definitely not emotional reactive actions.

                  By Surrender we attain peace, and we are freed from involuntary reaction. Surrender gives us tremendous power.

                  Amen

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                    But if someone just slapped you, wouldn't you want to slap back?

                    Wouldn't it show you as weak to the other people? Wouldn't it show the others that "Hey guys! You can slap me and get away with it!" ?

                    Nope... I will definitely not slap back..
                    I will warn him / her that he or she better stop doing it..
                    If he / she refuse and still try to do it then I will break his / her hand so he / she can't slap anyone anymore...

                    Don't act based on 'revenge' but act based on compassion to others... protecting others from vice of certain people / group is an act of compassion.

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                      i remember once a person was doing experiment with honey bee...

                      and he cut her wings , and said her,, fly now... she did not fly...

                      i asked from him, what is the result of experiment,,

                      he said experiment show, if you cut the wings of honey bee its mean she cant listen,, thats why she did not fly ...
                      rotfl rotfl

                      Salam rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                      fftopic I have heard a similar joke, but it was about frogs. Scientists told frog to jump, it jumped. They cut the legs, then told the frog to jump. It didn't, so their conclusion was it couldn't hear them rotfl rotfl

                      Salam

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                        i remember once a person was doing experiment with honey bee...

                        and he cut her wings , and said her,, fly now... she did not fly...

                        i asked from him, what is the result of experiment,,

                        he said experiment show, if you cut the wings of honey bee its mean she cant listen,, thats why she did not fly ...
                        rotfl rotfl

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          laugh

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            Nope... I will definitely not slap back..
                            I will warn him / her that he or she better stop doing it..
                            If he / she refuse and still try to do it then I will break his / her hand so he / she can't slap anyone anymore...

                            Don't act based on 'revenge' but act based on compassion to others... protecting others from vice of certain people / group is an act of compassion.

                            brother.. rotfl

                            do u really want this guy hansolo get in a trouble.... then its fine but atleast tell him not to do in a country like uk , otherwise he have to spend three years in prison...

                            or specially not in a counntry like pakistan otherwise when that guy get his hand repair then he will come with a gun like the person in hansolo picture... >

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                              Salam rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                              offtopic I have heard a similar joke, but it was about frogs. Scientists told frog to jump, it jumped. They cut the legs, then told the frog to jump. It didn't, so their conclusion was it couldn't hear them rotfl rotfl

                              Salam

                              dnt you remember the hadith in which frog was spitting on the fire of abraham thats y in muslim tradition its forbid to hurt frog...

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                                dnt you remember the hadith in which frog was spitting on the fire of abraham thats y in muslim tradition its forbid to hurt frog...

                                There's a hadith about frog spitting on fire?!?!?!?! rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                                Please elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro

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                                  There's a hadith about frog spitting on fire?!?!?!?! rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                                  Please elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro

                                  actually i forget to tell the full hadith...

                                  according to accounts a lizard was blowing the fire so that fire get more flameable and frog was spitting on it to make it cool down

                                  thats y its forbid to hurt frog and kill as many lizards as you want..

                                  on top of that the traditions allowed the killing of these lizards and if somebody kill lizards on thursday he will find 10 rs per lizard...
                                  and if you kill lizards you will get good deeds recorded on your account...

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                                    actually i forget to tell the full hadith...

                                    according to accounts a lizard was blowing the fire so that fire get more flameable and frog was spitting on it to make it cool down

                                    thats y its forbid to hurt frog and kill as many lizards as you want..

                                    on top of that the traditions allowed the killing of these lizards and if somebody kill lizards on thursday he will find 10 rs per lizard...
                                    and if you kill lizards you will get good deeds recorded on your account...

                                    rotfl rotfl

                                    Now I know why we killed lizards with flip-flops '(

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                                      But if someone just slapped you, wouldn't you want to slap back?

                                      Wouldn't it show you as weak to the other people? Wouldn't it show the others that "Hey guys! You can slap me and get away with it!" ?

                                      An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 629 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.

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                                        There's a hadith about frog spitting on fire?!?!?!?! rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

                                        Please elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro

                                        An English translation of Proverbs - 175 Whoever mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.

                                        Remember brother, that it is a miracle and a blessing of God that we are not part of those sects anymore. We should try to tell the brothers and sisters that there is a right path, instead of laugh.

                                        An English translation of the Quran - 2213 The people used to be one nation, then God sent the prophets as bearers of good news and warners, and He sent down with them the Book with the truth so that they may judge between the people in what they were disputing. But after receiving the clarity, the people disputed in it due to animosity between them. And God guided those who believed with His permission regarding what they disputed in of the truth. And God guides whoever He wishes to a straight path.

                                        An English translation of the Quran - 7178 Whoever God guides, then he is the guided one; and whoever He misguides, then these are the losers.

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                                          An English translation of Proverbs - 175 Whoever mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.

                                          Remember brother, that it is a miracle and a blessing of God that we are not part of those sects anymore. We should try to tell the brothers and sisters that there is a right path, instead of laugh.

                                          An English translation of the Quran - 2213 The people used to be one nation, then God sent the prophets as bearers of good news and warners, and He sent down with them the Book with the truth so that they may judge between the people in what they were disputing. But after receiving the clarity, the people disputed in it due to animosity between them. And God guided those who believed with His permission regarding what they disputed in of the truth. And God guides whoever He wishes to a straight path.

                                          An English translation of the Quran - 7178 Whoever God guides, then he is the guided one; and whoever He misguides, then these are the losers.

                                          Where in my post did I mock the poor or those who live in disaster???
                                          I'm laughing at the hadiths and its weird stories.

                                          Also, why do you keep quoting the Bible? Quran is detailed in all things group

                                          Salam

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