Ibrahim's as words
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earth is a female... moon is male...
judgement day is female according to grammer rule...
in plain language day is male night is female...
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no there is no kids,, sun is our grandfather, earth is mother, and moon is uncle...
they stopped there and aparrently they dnt have any family planning yet due to the interference of human ,,
sun female is light years away...
earth male is unknown yet..(i think run away from corruption of earth dwellers) lol
moon females you can find plantey of them even in this solar system but they are small enough so moon is shy to get a title of phedophile... -
His expression is exactly translated in Arabic in Qur'aan. In his language sun could be masculine, as in Urdu sun is masculine.
Do you say that if the word for for book in my language is "knjiga", which is feminine, and if it's translated into Arabic it has to be feminine also? Please, think before posting.
I know that nobody can bayan this to the people except Allah swt, and I know that all we can and all we should do is just to think about the Qur'an only, with no translations and no opinions at all. All other actions are on Allah swt.
If I'm walking with my sister on the street and somebody comes, I can say to him "hazihi ukhtee" (this is my sister). I won't say "haza ukhtee".
But, better example... If I'm walking with some muslim girl on the street and somebody comes and I should say to him "hazihi waliyyatee" (this is my friend, protector, as said in surah Tawba)... I won't and I can't say "haza waliyyee" for a girl, right? No matter of words we're using it should be in feminine form. But, of course, you can believe whatever you like, no compulsion in 'iman.huruf, you're right, if some name is masculine or feminine it has nothing with gender, but it's connected with "pairs". Allah swt has no pair, so there's nothing which can be expressed as feminine form of His Name(s). If somebody even tries to do so, (s)he will commit shirk. We can understand this better if we think about gods' names of Arabian mushrikoon in time of Muhammed Mustafa sawa. Their gods' names were feminine, because they were making pairs for Allah, doing shirk.
Allah's bless and salam.
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Do you say that if the word for for book in my language is "knjiga", which is feminine, and if it's translated into Arabic it has to be feminine also? Please, think before posting.
Verbatim quotes are exactly as are spoken and what their intended meanings are. If you see next line which is not translation of a quote, the pronoun is feminine.
Please first learn basic rules of writing a book, it may help you avoid raising frivolous objection.
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Salam
Allah Hu Samd=Allah Is Absolute
Absolute is gender Neutral
Lam Ya Lidh Wa Lamh You Ladh
Nor begets and Nor begotten
Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun
And not is for/to him equivalent/comparable ANY(one)
Malaika were/are created beings but do not themselves reproduce
Bashar was created to be a Khalifa/successor/one after another
Khalifa/successor is begotten one after another
Shai/things/material is created and reproduce
He created all THINGS in pair, and NO THING IS COMPARABLE UNTO HIMVision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends (all) vision; and He is All-Subtle, All-Aware.
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Furqan, we should indeed think about His Names more then anything else, and we should strive to get as much as possible from Them.
"Ehad" is not about numbers and counting, it's more something as "Unique". Verb "Kane" ("yekun" in this ayat) is wrongly understood as "to be (was)" (or "is" in ayat). There's no "to be" verb in Qur'anic lisan. I knew that but I was always thinking about it as "to be", because I had no equivalent in my mind to use for it. One of brothers told me something about "kane" used with Shaytan l.a. where he "became a kafir" and "was amongs jinn". These ayats convinced me that it can't be "to be", but until I was thinking about 3372 I had no idea what it is.
Anyways, I like your finding similarities, may Allah swt rewards you.Mazhar, I see you as a very educated man, and I'm very glad. You're wise too, but you are stuborn also, which is very dangerous.
If you use your education and wisdom you posses you should understand that Qur'anic lisan is not like any other - men-made. It can't be changed in any way, because Allah swt is its Protector, because lisan was sent with Qur'an. Qur'anic lisan has all other properties of the Qur'an, as "clear", "bayan for all things", furqan, noor... and it can be bayan only by Allah swt. So, there's no school to teach it, and there's no lexicon we can use to understand anything of it.
If you get the knowledge about this, I hope it'll be soon if you haven't already got it, you'll understand that Qur'anic lisan is not dependant on any other lisan, as, for example, the science from the Qur'an is not dependant on any other science. Or, in short, there're no translations you're talking about. This is Allah's Speech, this is not as narration (hadith) in people's books, as "narrated from Allah swt that Ibrahim a.s. said..."If we read 2530 "We qale-r-resulu Ya, Rabbi, inne qawmi-t-tekhadhoo haze-l-Qur'ane mehjura". Did he say these words loud? Did he say these words when some of the people were with him? Did he just thought about these words? Did he thought exactly what is said here or Allah swt formed his words from his thoughts and told them in that form to us? If we think about "qale" we should know that it includes thinking in it, right?
Or if we read, for example, stories about Moosa a.s. or Ibrahim a.s. We'll find same event described 2 or more times, and their words wasn't same. If we read 2010, 277 and 2829 we'll see that words of Moosa a.s. aren't same in all ayats. Did Allah swt just translated what Moosa a.s. said to his family? You have to admit that these can't be translations, because words are very similar but not same, and it's not about 3 different events, it's the same event. Words of others told in the Qur'an are not exactly as said, Allah swt is telling to us what we have to know from them, in the form which He found best, but for sure in Qur'anic lisan, not as translations - as His Speech.
So, when we're reciting ayats 2010, 277 and 2829 we're not saying what Moosa a.s. said, we are reciting Allah's Speech, not in lisan of Moosa a.s., in Qur'anic lisan, clear and clean of any corruption.
But, over all of this, Mazhar, you said that IT (The Sun) COULD BE MASCULINE IN HIS LANGUAGE, which is assumption. You're discarding clear and clean just for some assumption you got, and we all should know what is origin of assumptions. This is not translation, no matter which was Ibrahim's a.s. language, this is Allah's swt Speech.
Allah's bless and selam.
(I don't like English transliteration, so I decided to write E instead of A, where we have to say E, as in "Ehad", "selam", "Muhammed", etc.)
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Mazhar, I see you as a very educated man, and I'm very glad. You're wise too, but you are stubborn also, which is very dangerous.
I am not stubborn. What I insist it is that people should first know the basic things about what is a book, how it is authored, how voice in it is created, how voices of others are conveyed.
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He said to them "This is my caretaker lord; this is relatively large."
What is in inverted commas is the statement that Iebra'heim had made that night to people in his presence. These are not the words of Allah, He is just telling us what Iebra'heim had said.
Iebra'heim had used masculine pronouns for all the three celestial bodies, planets, moon and Sun. But when Allah is describing them, Sun in mentioned by feminine pronoun; while planet and moon by masculine pronoun.
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I am not stubborn. What I insist it is that people should first know the basic things about what is a book, how it is authored, how voice in it is created, how voices of others are conveyed.
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He said to them "This is my caretaker lord; this is relatively large."
What is in inverted commas is the statement that Iebra'heim had made that night to people in his presence. These are not the words of Allah, He is just telling us what Iebra'heim had said.
Iebra'heim had used masculine pronouns for all the three celestial bodies, planets, moon and Sun. But when Allah is describing them, Sun in mentioned by feminine pronoun; while planet and moon by masculine pronoun.
It's not statement of Ibrahim a.s., unless you were a witness of this event. As I shown in case of Moosa a.s. we cannot be sure that some words are said in the Qur'an as said by "the people" (humans or jinn or angels or animals), and we can't be sure that these words which seem to us as said are really said, maybe they're thoughts. What is in the Qur'an is all ONLY Allah's swt Speech, no matter if we think different. If anybody claims different, that person should think about shirk.
Even words of bad "people" (such as pharaoh, 'Ad and other nations, etc.) are Allah's swt hadith about those events. It's not "word for word" or any kind of translation. We should think about words narrated by Allah swt from an ant, bird, jinn, etc. Do you know "language rules" of their languages and you're stating that this is translated? It's narration (hadith), so, unless we have some proof we cannot be sure if any of words by others are spoken as we can read them.I know that you understand this and I know why you're talking opposite, so I won't reply about this, because I said what I know.
I can say and I claim that Allah swt told in the Qur'an "Allahu Akbar". Do I lie?
"Akbar" is not "relatively large", it means "larger", but since it has nothing for comparision, this is super-superlative and in this case it means "nothing can be compared with in being large". Relatively includes comparision in itself and it's false.
Ibrahim a.s. didn't see planet, because planets don't exist. He saw kewkab.Allah's bless and selam.
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It's not statement of Ibrahim a.s., unless you were a witness of this event.
The subject of verb Qala is Iebra'heim and what he said is the object of verb.
Please firstly learn simple things about reading the text, before making such irrelevant statements.
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I seek the refuge with Allah from Sheytan, Expelled. With the Name of Allah, Er-Rahman, Er-Rahim.
(El-Qur'an, 229-10)
(El-Qur'an, 277)
(El-Qur'an, 2829)
In all 3 cases verb "qale" was used and in all 3 cases Moosa a.s. is the object of this verb and in all 3 cases it is about the same event, but in all 3 case what comes after is different. So, what "qale" means? Is it quoting somebody?
I really like you, and I told you reasons for that besides you're a Muslim and a mu'min, but leave assumptions. Kitab is not a book.I haven't learned what you have learned, but, please, use it. Just think and pray, we can all have khayr of your eventual knowledge.
Allah's bless and selam.
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I seek the refuge with Allah from Sheytan, Expelled. With the Name of Allah, Er-Rahman, Er-Rahim.
(El-Qur'an, 229-10)
(El-Qur'an, 277)
(El-Qur'an, 2829)
In all 3 cases verb "qale" was used and in all 3 cases Moosa a.s. is the object of this verb and in all 3 cases it is about the same event, but in all 3 case what comes after is different. So, what "qale" means? Is it quoting somebody?
I really like you, and I told you reasons for that besides you're a Muslim and a mu'min, but leave assumptions. Kitab is not a book.I haven't learned what you have learned, but, please, use it. Just think and pray, we can all have khayr of your eventual knowledge.
Allah's bless and selam.
Then who is the subject of verb?
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Then who is the subject of verb?
The subject of the verb "qale" is Moosa a.s., I wrongly wrote "object" instead of "subject".
But "qale" doesn't mean that subject told what stands after it, even it can mean that. If it means quoting then please explain ayats I quoted/reffered to. I'm sure you know for many examples of similar occurancies in the Qur'an, there're many of them, almost whenever same story is told. And I'm sure you know again what I'm talking about, but you can continue.Allah's bless and selam.
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The subject of the verb "qale" is Moosa a.s., I wrongly wrote "object" instead of "subject".
But "qale" doesn't mean that subject told what stands after it, even it can mean that. If it means quoting then please explain ayats I quoted/reffered to. I'm sure you know for many examples of similar occurancies in the Qur'an, there're many of them, almost whenever same story is told. And I'm sure you know again what I'm talking about, but you can continue.Allah's bless and selam.
There is always a subject of the verb Qala, explicit or hidden; and always an object of verb that what the subject had said.
See this sentence, subject is mentioned, and what he said is the object of verb called
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There is always a subject of the verb Qala, explicit or hidden; and always an object of verb that what the subject had said.
See this sentence, subject is mentioned, and what he said is the object of verb called
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I see your "qawl" as "batil", because it leads more and more away from topic of this post.
You can continue with your "scientific approach" and I hope you'll be satisfied as "a scientist".
I'll skip all the books, because I haven't found any clue that any of the people with the knowledge I heard for done so. I know where's the knowledge and I'll continue towards it. We'll see what will happen at the end of the day...You can continue with your assumptions if you like/prefer them.
Allah's bless and selam.
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Salam
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=and I(Allah) chosen you(Musa-pbuh) for self my(Allah)
Or in sentence English= I have chosen you for Myself
"" N"" ? genitive feminine singular noun(Allah's soul/self)
!!!!!Word for Allah"s soul is Feminine!!!!soul is always feminine.. in grammer... even the soul of male when we use in language its a feminine form...
but for God its not appropriate to catagorise any gender...
gender we apply to humans animals and plants usually ...
time we apply to universe
space we applied to physical things that carry mass and volume..God is free from all of them... the rules are for language not for God...
even if you right god with small g it will not make god small... its human rule , human understanding...
but dnt write it in exam otherwise it consider as a spelling mistake...
interestinly when you speak the same word no body can tell you , either you used small g or capital G.. think about this point ..lol -
Salam Imran
That's exactly the Point brother it's ONLY used in LANGAUGE.peace furqan
peace