Ibrahim's as words
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Mazhar, I see you as a very educated man, and I'm very glad. You're wise too, but you are stubborn also, which is very dangerous.
I am not stubborn. What I insist it is that people should first know the basic things about what is a book, how it is authored, how voice in it is created, how voices of others are conveyed.
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He said to them "This is my caretaker lord; this is relatively large."
What is in inverted commas is the statement that Iebra'heim had made that night to people in his presence. These are not the words of Allah, He is just telling us what Iebra'heim had said.
Iebra'heim had used masculine pronouns for all the three celestial bodies, planets, moon and Sun. But when Allah is describing them, Sun in mentioned by feminine pronoun; while planet and moon by masculine pronoun.
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I am not stubborn. What I insist it is that people should first know the basic things about what is a book, how it is authored, how voice in it is created, how voices of others are conveyed.
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He said to them "This is my caretaker lord; this is relatively large."
What is in inverted commas is the statement that Iebra'heim had made that night to people in his presence. These are not the words of Allah, He is just telling us what Iebra'heim had said.
Iebra'heim had used masculine pronouns for all the three celestial bodies, planets, moon and Sun. But when Allah is describing them, Sun in mentioned by feminine pronoun; while planet and moon by masculine pronoun.
It's not statement of Ibrahim a.s., unless you were a witness of this event. As I shown in case of Moosa a.s. we cannot be sure that some words are said in the Qur'an as said by "the people" (humans or jinn or angels or animals), and we can't be sure that these words which seem to us as said are really said, maybe they're thoughts. What is in the Qur'an is all ONLY Allah's swt Speech, no matter if we think different. If anybody claims different, that person should think about shirk.
Even words of bad "people" (such as pharaoh, 'Ad and other nations, etc.) are Allah's swt hadith about those events. It's not "word for word" or any kind of translation. We should think about words narrated by Allah swt from an ant, bird, jinn, etc. Do you know "language rules" of their languages and you're stating that this is translated? It's narration (hadith), so, unless we have some proof we cannot be sure if any of words by others are spoken as we can read them.I know that you understand this and I know why you're talking opposite, so I won't reply about this, because I said what I know.
I can say and I claim that Allah swt told in the Qur'an "Allahu Akbar". Do I lie?
"Akbar" is not "relatively large", it means "larger", but since it has nothing for comparision, this is super-superlative and in this case it means "nothing can be compared with in being large". Relatively includes comparision in itself and it's false.
Ibrahim a.s. didn't see planet, because planets don't exist. He saw kewkab.Allah's bless and selam.
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It's not statement of Ibrahim a.s., unless you were a witness of this event.
The subject of verb Qala is Iebra'heim and what he said is the object of verb.
Please firstly learn simple things about reading the text, before making such irrelevant statements.
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I seek the refuge with Allah from Sheytan, Expelled. With the Name of Allah, Er-Rahman, Er-Rahim.
(El-Qur'an, 229-10)
(El-Qur'an, 277)
(El-Qur'an, 2829)
In all 3 cases verb "qale" was used and in all 3 cases Moosa a.s. is the object of this verb and in all 3 cases it is about the same event, but in all 3 case what comes after is different. So, what "qale" means? Is it quoting somebody?
I really like you, and I told you reasons for that besides you're a Muslim and a mu'min, but leave assumptions. Kitab is not a book.I haven't learned what you have learned, but, please, use it. Just think and pray, we can all have khayr of your eventual knowledge.
Allah's bless and selam.
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I seek the refuge with Allah from Sheytan, Expelled. With the Name of Allah, Er-Rahman, Er-Rahim.
(El-Qur'an, 229-10)
(El-Qur'an, 277)
(El-Qur'an, 2829)
In all 3 cases verb "qale" was used and in all 3 cases Moosa a.s. is the object of this verb and in all 3 cases it is about the same event, but in all 3 case what comes after is different. So, what "qale" means? Is it quoting somebody?
I really like you, and I told you reasons for that besides you're a Muslim and a mu'min, but leave assumptions. Kitab is not a book.I haven't learned what you have learned, but, please, use it. Just think and pray, we can all have khayr of your eventual knowledge.
Allah's bless and selam.
Then who is the subject of verb?
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Then who is the subject of verb?
The subject of the verb "qale" is Moosa a.s., I wrongly wrote "object" instead of "subject".
But "qale" doesn't mean that subject told what stands after it, even it can mean that. If it means quoting then please explain ayats I quoted/reffered to. I'm sure you know for many examples of similar occurancies in the Qur'an, there're many of them, almost whenever same story is told. And I'm sure you know again what I'm talking about, but you can continue.Allah's bless and selam.
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The subject of the verb "qale" is Moosa a.s., I wrongly wrote "object" instead of "subject".
But "qale" doesn't mean that subject told what stands after it, even it can mean that. If it means quoting then please explain ayats I quoted/reffered to. I'm sure you know for many examples of similar occurancies in the Qur'an, there're many of them, almost whenever same story is told. And I'm sure you know again what I'm talking about, but you can continue.Allah's bless and selam.
There is always a subject of the verb Qala, explicit or hidden; and always an object of verb that what the subject had said.
See this sentence, subject is mentioned, and what he said is the object of verb called
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There is always a subject of the verb Qala, explicit or hidden; and always an object of verb that what the subject had said.
See this sentence, subject is mentioned, and what he said is the object of verb called
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I see your "qawl" as "batil", because it leads more and more away from topic of this post.
You can continue with your "scientific approach" and I hope you'll be satisfied as "a scientist".
I'll skip all the books, because I haven't found any clue that any of the people with the knowledge I heard for done so. I know where's the knowledge and I'll continue towards it. We'll see what will happen at the end of the day...You can continue with your assumptions if you like/prefer them.
Allah's bless and selam.
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Salam
Q2041
=and I(Allah) chosen you(Musa-pbuh) for self my(Allah)
Or in sentence English= I have chosen you for Myself
"" N"" ? genitive feminine singular noun(Allah's soul/self)
!!!!!Word for Allah"s soul is Feminine!!!!soul is always feminine.. in grammer... even the soul of male when we use in language its a feminine form...
but for God its not appropriate to catagorise any gender...
gender we apply to humans animals and plants usually ...
time we apply to universe
space we applied to physical things that carry mass and volume..God is free from all of them... the rules are for language not for God...
even if you right god with small g it will not make god small... its human rule , human understanding...
but dnt write it in exam otherwise it consider as a spelling mistake...
interestinly when you speak the same word no body can tell you , either you used small g or capital G.. think about this point ..lol -
Salam Imran
That's exactly the Point brother it's ONLY used in LANGAUGE.peace furqan
peace
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Salam
Q2041
=and I(Allah) chosen you(Musa-pbuh) for self my(Allah)
Or in sentence English= I have chosen you for Myself
"" N"" ? genitive feminine singular noun(Allah's soul/self)
!!!!!Word for Allah"s soul is Feminine!!!!My dear brother,
the point of this story is this can we or did Allah swt use "haza" for any feminine noun. The other question is can we use "haza" to point on anything in the Skies, because it is not something near. I think we can use haza in some special situations, but still the main question stays
has Ibrahim a.s. told "haza" for ash-Shams which is femine or he told "haza" for Allah swt, "Who's coming with the Sun", as said in the surah Beqareh.
I think some of you thinking about other things, not these ayats of Allah swt, clear ayats.
Allah's bless and selam.
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You should take a closer look, I am sure you will be amazed.
Yes, my brother, may Allah swt rewards you. My point was that when is sad "qale" it doesn't mean quoting, nor translating someone's words to Qur'anic lisan. It's Allah's swt hadith (as said).
Anyways, this topic is just for all of you to think about "haza" used with Ash-Shams, with connection with ayat from surah Beqareh, from which it should be clear that Ibrahim a.s. didn't comit shirk (as Allah swt informs us), he didn't make jokes on his people (it's for jahiloon, as Moosa a.s. said), nor he was ignorant. He was telling that Allah swt is his Rabb, and we can conclude (with Allah's swt Help) that "haza Ekber" means "Allahu Ekber" and Ibrahim a.s. said these words because it was time for his salat.I don't know why people are trying to reject this, maybe they think that salat is not a prayer which starts with "Allahu Ekber"?!?
It would be nice to get the knowledge about behaviour of Allah's swt friend, we don't have much clear examples of His friends' behaviour. This life is about behaviour, if we wanna think about it.
Allah's bless and selam.
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Salam
(6785)qla he said, V ? 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb(6786)hdh "This (is) DEM ? masculine singular demonstrative pronoun
(6787) rabb my Lord, N ? nominative masculine noun
PRON ? 1st person singular possessive pronoun(678 hdh this (is) DEM ? masculine singular demonstrative pronoun
(6789) akbaru greater." N ? nominative masculine singular noun
(67810) falamm But when CONJ ? prefixed conjunction fa (and)
T ? time adverb(67811) afalat it set, V ? 3rd person feminine singular perfect verb
As one can see the HAZA is masculine And RABB and also AKBAR is all masculine.
I have not been able to find word 1.RAB and neither 2.AKBAR in feminine in the Quran. If there was feminine for either of these words.
It would make sense of, that Ibrahim(as) meant Rab Ul Alameen when he said what he said.
It seems to me one has no choice but to use HAZA preface to RABB and AKBAR in speech, even if one is point at a woman.
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ilhayni is used for Jesus and Marry(pbu them)
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My dear brother,
you're thinking wrong. If you point on something it can be near or far. Since the Sun is far you should use demonstrative pronoun for far. But, let's say that there're some conditions under which we can use pronoun for near (but think abou this). After that we should use the "gender" of the noun same as "the object" we're pointing at. Since the Sun is feminine, we should use feminine noun.
You're not right again, because there's femine form of comparative (or super-superlative) "Ekber" and it's "Kubra" (or el-Kubra for superlative) and it's used with feminine nouns
2023 with "ayat" which is feminine
4416 with "batshet" which is feminine
5318 again "ayat" which is feminine
7920 with "ayet" which is feminine
7934 with "tammet" which is feminine
8712 with "nar" which is feminineSo, there's feminine form of "Ekber" in the Qur'an. If you're asking why there's no feminine form of "Rabb", the answer is there was no need for it.
I hope you'll accept this as an ultimate proof that Ibrahim a.s. wasn't pointing at the Shems, he was pointing at Allah swt, Who is coming with the Shems. Allah swt is indeed near, the Shems is far.
May Allah swt guide us.Allah's bless and selam.
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Salam un Aladin
Point noted.Makes sense now.
Thank you. You are one of few persons in these forums to give his proof from Al-Furqan.Q4174
O mankind, there has come to you a conclusive proof from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear light/reflection.