Difference between Prophet and Messenger?
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Hi all,
What is the difference between Prophet and Messenger?.
Frahai school of thoughts( included Islahi and Ghamidi) has the notion that Prophets are those who only deliver the message and their addresses if they reject their message not bear any punishment. But on the other hand, Messengers are not only delivered message but brings punishment and resulted in wiping out of their addresses if they reject the message knowingly. They call this process "ITMAM HUJJAT". If anyone has read their argument on this topic, then please share your views, if not, then it is available on Al-mawrid website.
This notion leads to a fundamental question that if Prophets and Messengers are two different things (Ghamidi school of thought gives chapter 22 verse 52 as the evidence of the difference between two of them), then can prophets physically be killed?. There are many verses of Quran which state that people had killed prophets but not the messenger. Bible also describes stories of the killing of prophets.
Could anyone help me finding answers of my questions?.
Regards,
NKPeace NK, you may find this article useful.
http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/prophet_and_messenger_(P1161).html
peace
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Peace NK, you may find this article useful.
http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/prophet_and_messenger_(P1161).html
peace
The author warns for this
"Choosing the teachings of the scholars above the words of God reflects a disbelief in God and His word (Quran). Against this is a clear warning in the Quran
"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of God....." 931 "But then he/she writes this
"God's Definition of Prophet and Messenger"
And starts explaining how he/she defines them... -
The author warns for this
"Choosing the teachings of the scholars above the words of God reflects a disbelief in God and His word (Quran). Against this is a clear warning in the Quran
"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of God....." 931 "But then he/she writes this
"God's Definition of Prophet and Messenger"
And starts explaining how he/she defines them...What you say is true, however, I think the explanations
are in keeping with Quran Al Kareem, If you think differently
please give your reasons why you come to your conclusions.peace
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What you say is true, however, I think the explanations
are in keeping with Quran Al Kareem, If you think differently
please give your reasons why you come to your conclusions.peace
They keep with the quran the way he/she understand them and he/she is not God.
Writing articles in this way is imo absolutely not done and misleading.Besides that the article is full of vague and false claims, like this one
"Those who are not sufficiently familiar with the Quran tend to think that Aaron was a "Nabi" who did not receive a scripture. They claim that the Torah was given to Moses and not to Aaron! This claim can only be made by those who do not believe the Quran, since God ascertains that the Torah was given to both Moses and Aaron (2148, 37117)."
This is simply a lot of nonsense. -
Peace Bender.
When you say, quote
This is simply a lot of nonsenseDo you mean Moses and Aaron were not given the "Torah" or not given any "scripture"?
If you are saying Moses and Aaron were not given the "Torah" then I agree with you.
However, if you are saying they were not given a "scripture",then I disagree with you. 2148 and 37117 both confirm they were given a scripture.
If you mean something completely different, please clarify.
GOD bless you.
Peace -
The author warns for this
"Choosing the teachings of the scholars above the words of God reflects a disbelief in God and His word (Quran). Against this is a clear warning in the Quran
"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of God....." 931 "But then he/she writes this
"God's Definition of Prophet and Messenger"
And starts explaining how he/she defines them...The article says
In 381 God defined the exact duty of the Prophet (Nabi) and also the duty of the Messenger (Rasoul)
"God took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfil this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you." 381
is past tense why it is translated as "a messenger will come" in the article (red part)?
Ayat does not say covenant was taken from "all prophets". It is using which means the prophets and since 375 is starting with people of book is it not that these are prophets of people of book?Just my thoughts.
Peace
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Peace Bender.
When you say, quote
This is simply a lot of nonsenseDo you mean Moses and Aaron were not given the "Torah" or not given any "scripture"?
If you are saying Moses and Aaron were not given the "Torah" then I agree with you.
I can not find any link between Musa and/or Harun and a book called Torah in the quran.
However, if you are saying they were not given a "scripture",then I disagree with you. 2148 and 37117 both confirm they were given a scripture.
If you mean something completely different, please clarify.
GOD bless you.
PeaceThere is no book in 2148
If you take alkitaab as scripture then 37117 is indeed evidence that they were given a book.
However, how does such thing work. Lets suppose I am a prophet, then how do I get a scripture, does is fall from heaven in my hands? What do you think?
I think maybe it's a good idea to take kitab a bit more abstract than the traditional definitions. -
Peace Bender, who received what is not my point, I was
referring to the article as an explanation of the topic here
which is Difference between Prophet and Messenger?
Do you agree or disagree with the analysis in this regard?peace
I think I disagree. I think the word "scripture/book" has nothing to do with both definitions.
I think a messenger is simply someone who is send with "message". (could be anyone, see for example chapter 12)
I think nabi's (prophets never existed) are informed ones to who people go for information. -
Peace Bender.
Thank you for your reply. I understand you a little bit better.
When you say,quote>
However, how does such thing work. Lets suppose I am a prophet, then how do I get a scripture, does is fall from heaven in my hands? What do you think?Scripture is a series of instructions/directives/laws/information/warnings/teachings of the right conduct...etc that are given to a prophet/s over a period of time that is necessary to complete the message that is supposed to be received by the people/community of that prophet messenger.
It can be oral or written down . The whole message,when written down constitutes the "book".i.e a record for the people and generation/s that follow unless GOD chooses to renew the message through another messenger for different reasons( corruption/test/time and place...etc).
"Book" for me means a "record",whatever happens to be recorded. It can be a scripture or "other records".
That is my understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.