Spider's house
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If you bothered to carefully read the link I gave, you will find I explicitly mention what is the spider's house.
Perhaps if you read more carefully you will make less mistakes.
Even your behaviour is not dear to me, I'll start with "dear brother"...
Dear brother,
It's not important at all what me and you think, know, heard, told...
If you're satisfied that Ibrahim a.s., Isma'il a.s., Moosa a.s. and Haroon a.s. were house-builders and house-cleaners, then it's ok with me. If you're not you could check what you understood.If you can't answer my question and you're telling me to search for it, then it's better to keep it unanswered.
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By following their translations/understandings one can conclude that spider's web is very weak. But, you can read/hear that spider's web is very strong and elastic, even stronger then steel, as scientific priests claim. I haven't tested it, but if somebody wants they can. Please, share results if you do so.
how can we possibly test it... ?
and strong in which sense ? stronger enough than steel to block the pressure of violent winds..
or stronger enough to escape from more than 1,500 ?C of heat pressure...
how much force required to remove steel house compared to spider web?
peace
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Thank you, dear, for your scientific data, I was hoping that somebody'll do so, but I didn't expected this much. welcome ! hmm
Maybe you could inform us if you have any view is this about spider at all and if it's about its house or family.Bender, I have no problem with that. Allah loves those who're asking for forgiveness. Allah loves humans. Yes, humans are very complicated and have a lot of negative attributes and I don't understand why Allah loves us, but He does.
But, I'd like if all of you ask does "min dunillahi" includes Allah? If it doesn't then are Beni Israil humans (en-nas), Wakas?
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Bender, I have no problem with that.
Well I do.
Since Allah does not give false information, one of us (or both) is lying or confuses his feeling with Allahs word.
Maybe next time we should leave Allah outside in discussions about definitions of some words and simply show how we came to such conclusions. -
Well I do.
Since Allah does not give false information, one of us (or both) is lying or confuses his feeling with Allahs word.
Maybe next time we should leave Allah outside in discussions about definitions of some words and simply show how we came to such conclusions.As I told you I haven't skipped Him this time and I got the explanation about this word. Take it as Ibn 'Arebi's "visions", if it's easier for you.
I can't leave Allah, otherwise I'd lie on Him.
Anybody can ask me or somebody else for explanation of anything, but we can't explain.1134 is my standing and 3446 is something we all should do. (But don't use translations, ask from Allah swt to explain them)
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The ?scientific priests ? claim that spider silk is 5 times stronger than steel.
hmm did he also claim that with the help of spider silk human will able to make stronger house or swords or stuff which is long lasting than steel... ? curious to know
and the name of that scientific priest send me a link and whatever he claims that would b nice...
thanx
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If it sounds like a cat and it looks like a cat, it has to be a cat.
This logic functions almost always, but JUST almost.For example are ants "flying creatures"? Have jinns human form?
Bender's aggression in this topic is valid only if he thinks that what we know as "spider" is not "spider". Since I can't read minds I had to ignore that kind of discussion.
Yeah, I knew that some male spiders eat females and this is why I didn't mention their sex. Anyways, usage with "El" is about species, not about just any random spider.
I believe that knowledge about the name itself (El-'Ankeboot) can reveal reality about Spiders, hidden from us.
I believe that science can reveal the reality too, because ayets are all around us, and those who're looking for the reality can find it anywhere, not just in the Qur'an. Those who go astray by the science are priests of them, same as all other priests - expecting us to believe them blindly.
So, dear, if you find it useful you can think what makes these giants amongs what we know as "spiders" differ from others, why they're not eating each other. I don't enjoy in "canibalism", but since there's a reason for that it can be useful to think about it.
If I count good, then maybe what we know as "spiders" is not in 2445. Science can be beautiful, if we understood "names".
Thanks you, once again.
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Hey Aladin
spider's web is very strong and elastic, even stronger then steel, as scientific priests claim. I haven't tested it, but if somebody wants they can. Please, share results if you do so.
I tested it many times when cleaning. It's very easy to get rid of. But the spider that's another story....
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Hi, NJ. Whichever test satisfies you... but, maybe, you should think about house with your house's size made of spider's web.
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Aladinmaybe, you should think about house with your house's size made of spider's web
Why. When it aint that big?
Anyways, this has nothing with any kind of material building
Yes thats in somehow my point.
The spiderweb is a very weak house. Thats just a fact. And you are welcome to size it up a million times in your head. But that just dont change the reality that as a house its very very weak. -
We're probably in our toddlerhood with our understanding of this.I think, we are maybe past our infancy but we are not mature with our understanding of this. We know how it works. But we can't replicate it in a scale fit to build spider silk skyscrapers.
RED hmm may be ..
BLUE what scale we should use for checking how strong is the web of spider...(SI units perhaps)?I think spider silk armours are a possibility in future.
.. its sounds interesting...
if you dnt mind telling me in detail about the spiders silk armours bit more? (plz)
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#notall is what I'm talking about. It sounds as our definitions (el-Esma' and Allah's definitions (El-Esma' differ. This is why I mentioned ayet from surah en-Noor (2445), in which we were told about ALL "daabbet"
- created of water
- some of them move on their bellies
- some of them move on 2 legs
- some of them move on 4 legs.
Our (common) understanding includes this
- human is created of water - this is wrong, human was made of something else, but its body contains a lot of water
- "daabbet" are animals
- spiders are animals, so they're amongs "daabbet" - I counted more then 4 legs
- birds are animals too
and so on...
We are putting our understanding of the words into Qur'an, as its teachers, not students.
Only some of ants are "flying creatures" and what we recognized as "Et-Tayr", so Suleyman a.s. could understand only some of them talking. So
The Animals <> Daabbet (ة, and
The Ants <> En-Neml (ل, similarly we cannot say
The Spiders = El-'Ankeboot (ت.If I go further I can say that The Earth <> El-'Erd, The Skies <> Es-Sema', The Heavens <> Es-Semawat, The Sun <> Esh-Shems, The Moon <> El-Qamer, and so on, because our common definitions ("names", El-Esma' are not same as ones from the Qur'an.
If we recognize a few of attributes known to us for some "name" (Ism) we can identify their owner as something known to us, even they are not equal. This is how many of the people done shirk, for example. They were recognizing some of Allah's "Names" in things around them and they thought that it is Allah, even they couldn't find all His "Names" in it.
To identify El-'Ankeboot as something known to us, we should seek for something which has ALL its attributes known to us, and we know just a few things about it from the Qur'an. We're doing opposite, we indentified El-'Enkeboot as ALL spiders then we're comparing their attributes.
In short, not all spiders are in El-'Ankeboot, as not all ants are in Et-Tayr (or En-Neml).
We're thinking within the "names" we gave to "things" and its one of hijabs (vails) which permit us to understand better.
We should understand all the attributes of something before we "name" it, sounds as something and looks as something is not always that thing.I'd like to add that some of what we know (?) as jinns looks like humans, but they're not humans.
And, if somebody can help, we have insan created of "earth" and jaan created of "fire" and daabbet created of "water"... what is created of "air"? So we can have all 4 elements... 5th (or 1st) is "noor".
I'm not denying anything you told, Andrewsarchus, just trying to make things clear with my bad English and strange way of explaining things.
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Oh lookie,What do we have here?
A male primate with a hint of humor,maybe.I bet an Incredible tornado would make short work of a human's house. So the human abode is very very weak for an incredible tornado, yes? Just don't change the reality, the house is very very weak. ;D
Hi Andreewsarchus
Yes I actually found that fact funny. Why did it had to be stretched when it was that simple!But in the manner of comparing it with a human house you are wrong. A human house isnt in general a weak construction, that needs to be build up over and over again.
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#notall is what I'm talking about. It sounds as our definitions (el-Esma' and Allah's definitions (El-Esma' differ. This is why I mentioned ayet from surah en-Noor (2445), in which we were told about ALL "daabbet"
- created of water
- some of them move on their bellies
- some of them move on 2 legs
- some of them move on 4 legs.
Our (common) understanding includes this
- human is created of water - this is wrong, human was made of something else, but its body contains a lot of water
- "daabbet" are animals
- spiders are animals, so they're amongs "daabbet" - I counted more then 4 legs
- birds are animals too
and so on...
Hi Aladin.
- All animal reproduction in fact needs water.
2-4 I cant see it should be wrong. Due to it says some...
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NJ, the problem in that example is that our definition ("name" ANIMAL is not same as definition ("name" DAABBET, and we're taking it as it is.
We are using wrong definitions because we don't know better and it's acceptable in our communication. But, we can't take it as "reality" (haqq) and we should always know that it's not precize. Unless we are as Socrates ("I know that I don't know", we'll make a lot of mistakes and we'll never get out of that "magic circle" (magic is as a synonym for illusion - "batil".
Speaking of ayet itself... "created of" doesn't mean "consists of". Nothing's wrong with ayet, but with our understanding. As I tried to explain, in our definitions ALL spiders are animals; but in the Qur'an El-'Ankeboot is not Daabbet (count its legs).
Also, our definition ALL birds are animals; but Et-Tayr are not Daabbet.
We can say that daabbet is (some of) animal, but we should know that it's not precise, unless we define "animal" 100% same as "daabbet" is.We should install some good "compiler" in our thinking, so it can report an error each time we are using something unknown and not precisely identified D
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. As I tried to explain, in our definitions ALL spiders are animals; but in the Qur'an El-'Ankeboot is not Daabbet (count its legs).
Also, our definition ALL birds are animals; but Et-Tayr are not Daabbet.Hi
Okay.I understand your theory. I just testing its solidity.
Like Can you be more specific where it should be mentioned as not animal (Daabbet) in Quran.Peace.
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We are using wrong definitions because we don't know better and it's acceptable in our communication. But, we can't take it as "reality" (haqq) and we should always know that it's not precize. Unless we are as Socrates ("I know that I don't know", we'll make a lot of mistakes and we'll never get out of that "magic circle" (magic is as a synonym for illusion - "batil".
You told me that God himself told you the meaning of the words (at least for the word ankaboot), how can that not be precise or haqq?