Spider's house

Bender

Bender, I have no problem with that.

Well I do.
Since Allah does not give false information, one of us (or both) is lying or confuses his feeling with Allahs word.
Maybe next time we should leave Allah outside in discussions about definitions of some words and simply show how we came to such conclusions.

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

Well I do.
Since Allah does not give false information, one of us (or both) is lying or confuses his feeling with Allahs word.
Maybe next time we should leave Allah outside in discussions about definitions of some words and simply show how we came to such conclusions.

As I told you I haven't skipped Him this time and I got the explanation about this word. Take it as Ibn 'Arebi's "visions", if it's easier for you.
I can't leave Allah, otherwise I'd lie on Him.
Anybody can ask me or somebody else for explanation of anything, but we can't explain.

1134 is my standing and 3446 is something we all should do. (But don't use translations, ask from Allah swt to explain them)

imrankhawaja

The ?scientific priests ? claim that spider silk is 5 times stronger than steel.

hmm did he also claim that with the help of spider silk human will able to make stronger house or swords or stuff which is long lasting than steel... ? curious to know

and the name of that scientific priest send me a link and whatever he claims that would b nice...

thanx

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

If it sounds like a cat and it looks like a cat, it has to be a cat.
This logic functions almost always, but JUST almost.

For example are ants "flying creatures"? Have jinns human form?

Bender's aggression in this topic is valid only if he thinks that what we know as "spider" is not "spider". Since I can't read minds I had to ignore that kind of discussion.

Yeah, I knew that some male spiders eat females and this is why I didn't mention their sex. Anyways, usage with "El" is about species, not about just any random spider.

I believe that knowledge about the name itself (El-'Ankeboot) can reveal reality about Spiders, hidden from us.

I believe that science can reveal the reality too, because ayets are all around us, and those who're looking for the reality can find it anywhere, not just in the Qur'an. Those who go astray by the science are priests of them, same as all other priests - expecting us to believe them blindly.

So, dear, if you find it useful you can think what makes these giants amongs what we know as "spiders" differ from others, why they're not eating each other. I don't enjoy in "canibalism", but since there's a reason for that it can be useful to think about it.

If I count good, then maybe what we know as "spiders" is not in 2445. Science can be beautiful, if we understood "names".

Thanks you, once again.

NielsJacob

Hey Aladin

spider's web is very strong and elastic, even stronger then steel, as scientific priests claim. I haven't tested it, but if somebody wants they can. Please, share results if you do so.

I tested it many times when cleaning. It's very easy to get rid of. But the spider that's another story....

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

Hi, NJ. Whichever test satisfies you... but, maybe, you should think about house with your house's size made of spider's web.
Anyways, this has nothing with any kind of material building.

NielsJacob

Hi
Aladin

maybe, you should think about house with your house's size made of spider's web

Why. When it aint that big?

Anyways, this has nothing with any kind of material building

Yes thats in somehow my point.
The spiderweb is a very weak house. Thats just a fact. And you are welcome to size it up a million times in your head. But that just dont change the reality that as a house its very very weak.

imrankhawaja

We're probably in our toddlerhood with our understanding of this.I think, we are maybe past our infancy but we are not mature with our understanding of this. We know how it works. But we can't replicate it in a scale fit to build spider silk skyscrapers.

RED hmm may be ..
BLUE what scale we should use for checking how strong is the web of spider...(SI units perhaps)?

I think spider silk armours are a possibility in future.

.. its sounds interesting...

if you dnt mind telling me in detail about the spiders silk armours bit more? (plz)

imrankhawaja

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thanx for the links

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

#notall is what I'm talking about. It sounds as our definitions (el-Esma&#039 and Allah's definitions (El-Esma&#039 differ. This is why I mentioned ayet from surah en-Noor (2445), in which we were told about ALL "daabbet"

created of water
some of them move on their bellies
some of them move on 2 legs
some of them move on 4 legs.

Our (common) understanding includes this

human is created of water - this is wrong, human was made of something else, but its body contains a lot of water
"daabbet" are animals
spiders are animals, so they're amongs "daabbet" - I counted more then 4 legs
birds are animals too
and so on...

We are putting our understanding of the words into Qur'an, as its teachers, not students.

Only some of ants are "flying creatures" and what we recognized as "Et-Tayr", so Suleyman a.s. could understand only some of them talking. So

The Animals <> Daabbet (&#1577, and
The Ants <> En-Neml (&#1604, similarly we cannot say
The Spiders = El-'Ankeboot (&#1578.

If I go further I can say that The Earth <> El-'Erd, The Skies <> Es-Sema', The Heavens <> Es-Semawat, The Sun <> Esh-Shems, The Moon <> El-Qamer, and so on, because our common definitions ("names", El-Esma&#039 are not same as ones from the Qur'an.

If we recognize a few of attributes known to us for some "name" (Ism) we can identify their owner as something known to us, even they are not equal. This is how many of the people done shirk, for example. They were recognizing some of Allah's "Names" in things around them and they thought that it is Allah, even they couldn't find all His "Names" in it.

To identify El-'Ankeboot as something known to us, we should seek for something which has ALL its attributes known to us, and we know just a few things about it from the Qur'an. We're doing opposite, we indentified El-'Enkeboot as ALL spiders then we're comparing their attributes.

In short, not all spiders are in El-'Ankeboot, as not all ants are in Et-Tayr (or En-Neml).

We're thinking within the "names" we gave to "things" and its one of hijabs (vails) which permit us to understand better.
We should understand all the attributes of something before we "name" it, sounds as something and looks as something is not always that thing.

I'd like to add that some of what we know (?) as jinns looks like humans, but they're not humans.

And, if somebody can help, we have insan created of "earth" and jaan created of "fire" and daabbet created of "water"... what is created of "air"? So we can have all 4 elements... 5th (or 1st) is "noor".

I'm not denying anything you told, Andrewsarchus, just trying to make things clear with my bad English and strange way of explaining things.

NielsJacob

Oh lookie,What do we have here?
A male primate with a hint of humor,maybe.

I bet an Incredible tornado would make short work of a human's house. So the human abode is very very weak for an incredible tornado, yes? Just don't change the reality, the house is very very weak. ;D

Hi Andreewsarchus
Yes I actually found that fact funny. Why did it had to be stretched when it was that simple!

But in the manner of comparing it with a human house you are wrong. A human house isnt in general a weak construction, that needs to be build up over and over again.
Otherwise I think that God would have made us with the ability to spit it out one way or another.

NielsJacob

#notall is what I'm talking about. It sounds as our definitions (el-Esma&#039 and Allah's definitions (El-Esma&#039 differ. This is why I mentioned ayet from surah en-Noor (2445), in which we were told about ALL "daabbet"

created of water
some of them move on their bellies
some of them move on 2 legs
some of them move on 4 legs.

Our (common) understanding includes this

human is created of water - this is wrong, human was made of something else, but its body contains a lot of water
"daabbet" are animals
spiders are animals, so they're amongs "daabbet" - I counted more then 4 legs
birds are animals too
and so on...

Hi Aladin.

All animal reproduction in fact needs water.

2-4 I cant see it should be wrong. Due to it says some...

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

NJ, the problem in that example is that our definition ("name&quot ANIMAL is not same as definition ("name&quot DAABBET, and we're taking it as it is.

We are using wrong definitions because we don't know better and it's acceptable in our communication. But, we can't take it as "reality" (haqq) and we should always know that it's not precize. Unless we are as Socrates ("I know that I don't know&quot, we'll make a lot of mistakes and we'll never get out of that "magic circle" (magic is as a synonym for illusion - "batil&quot.

Speaking of ayet itself... "created of" doesn't mean "consists of". Nothing's wrong with ayet, but with our understanding. As I tried to explain, in our definitions ALL spiders are animals; but in the Qur'an El-'Ankeboot is not Daabbet (count its legs).
Also, our definition ALL birds are animals; but Et-Tayr are not Daabbet.
We can say that daabbet is (some of) animal, but we should know that it's not precise, unless we define "animal" 100% same as "daabbet" is.

We should install some good "compiler" in our thinking, so it can report an error each time we are using something unknown and not precisely identified D

NielsJacob

. As I tried to explain, in our definitions ALL spiders are animals; but in the Qur'an El-'Ankeboot is not Daabbet (count its legs).
Also, our definition ALL birds are animals; but Et-Tayr are not Daabbet.

Hi
Okay.

I understand your theory. I just testing its solidity.
Like Can you be more specific where it should be mentioned as not animal (Daabbet) in Quran.

Peace.

Bender

We are using wrong definitions because we don't know better and it's acceptable in our communication. But, we can't take it as "reality" (haqq) and we should always know that it's not precize. Unless we are as Socrates ("I know that I don't know&quot, we'll make a lot of mistakes and we'll never get out of that "magic circle" (magic is as a synonym for illusion - "batil&quot.

You told me that God himself told you the meaning of the words (at least for the word ankaboot), how can that not be precise or haqq?

Bender

As I told you I haven't skipped Him this time and I got the explanation about this word. Take it as Ibn 'Arebi's "visions", if it's easier for you.
I can't leave Allah, otherwise I'd lie on Him.
Anybody can ask me or somebody else for explanation of anything, but we can't explain.

1134 is my standing and 3446 is something we all should do. (But don't use translations, ask from Allah swt to explain them)

you used dictionaries/lexicons/online translations/posts in this forum/etc to make anakaboot=spider, who are you exactly trying to fool?

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

As matter of fact, Bender, I told before that I was thinking that translations (andother sources) are not good, and I thought that El-'Ankeboot<>The Spiders. I was right and I was wrong, same time. When I was learned a few of el-Esma', I understood it.

I haven't told Bender, if you give me some money I'll explain something to you! Nor Bender, follow me, you'll be guided! Nor anything like that.

I just wanted to share with you that even if we say "house" for "beyt", we should know that it's not a material building, it's about a family.
If you wanna check it you can do, if you wanna discard it you can do it too.

Anyways, there're other words in this ayet and if anybody wanna share something about them it'll be good. Saying "it's not correct" without explaining what is... I don't know what to say.

Please tell me if any translation (or other sources) is saying that Beni Israil are jinns or that "kitab" is not in any way "book, letter..." or that Et-Tewrat is "transmitted messages" or that last word in surah Kafiroon doesn't mean "my deen" or that "weqaar" in 7113 means "deaf", etc.

I also said that Ibrahim a.s. was trown to female-jinns, with which his people were doing zina. I said too that "selam" is not a greeting and it doesn't mean "peace".

But, I'll share for you something else, which you can try to find in sources you mentioned.

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
We approached to you increased
Therefore you shall keep nearness because of your Lord and have respect
He who hates you is the one most in need

Allah swt knows best.

hansolo

Brother Aladin, what does

"BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
We approached to you increased
Therefore you shall keep nearness because of your Lord and have respect
He who hates you is the one most in need"

Mean/Say exactly?

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

It's an attempt to translate surah Kewser (108.), hansolo.

Bender

As matter of fact, Bender, I told before that I was thinking that translations (andother sources) are not good, and I thought that El-'Ankeboot<>The Spiders. I was right and I was wrong, same time. When I was learned a few of el-Esma', I understood it.

I haven't told Bender, if you give me some money I'll explain something to you! Nor Bender, follow me, you'll be guided! Nor anything like that.

No, you called me and others who have a different view blind ones and infected with interpretations of non-muslims (no idea what this means in your Godly dictionary but I don't think it's positive).
And I do not like people calling me blind because I am not as smart as them or because I do not have Godly visions.

I just wanted to share with you that even if we say "house" for "beyt", we should know that it's not a material building, it's about a family.

Again you bring something as truth while you are only speculating.

Anyways, there're other words in this ayet and if anybody wanna share something about them it'll be good. Saying "it's not correct" without explaining what is... I don't know what to say.

It works in the same way as "God told me so" or "I had a vision".

If I somewhere claim something just ask me and I will show you in detail how I came to my conclusions. It doesn't mean I am right, but at least I will show you how I came to my conclusions.

Please tell me if any translation (or other sources) is saying that Beni Israil are jinns or that "kitab" is not in any way "book, letter..." or that Et-Tewrat is "transmitted messages" or that last word in surah Kafiroon doesn't mean "my deen" or that "weqaar" in 7113 means "deaf", etc.

I also said that Ibrahim a.s. was trown to female-jinns, with which his people were doing zina. I said too that "selam" is not a greeting and it doesn't mean "peace".

No idea, but does this make your defintions the correct ones?
I say Bani Israel are dinos, I am almost sure no one ever thought of that, does this mean now that God told me so?

God told you that Ibrahim was thrown to Beni Israel females aka female jinns? Interesting!