Spider's house

NielsJacob

#notall is what I'm talking about. It sounds as our definitions (el-Esma&#039 and Allah's definitions (El-Esma&#039 differ. This is why I mentioned ayet from surah en-Noor (2445), in which we were told about ALL "daabbet"

created of water
some of them move on their bellies
some of them move on 2 legs
some of them move on 4 legs.

Our (common) understanding includes this

human is created of water - this is wrong, human was made of something else, but its body contains a lot of water
"daabbet" are animals
spiders are animals, so they're amongs "daabbet" - I counted more then 4 legs
birds are animals too
and so on...

Hi Aladin.

All animal reproduction in fact needs water.

2-4 I cant see it should be wrong. Due to it says some...

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

NJ, the problem in that example is that our definition ("name&quot ANIMAL is not same as definition ("name&quot DAABBET, and we're taking it as it is.

We are using wrong definitions because we don't know better and it's acceptable in our communication. But, we can't take it as "reality" (haqq) and we should always know that it's not precize. Unless we are as Socrates ("I know that I don't know&quot, we'll make a lot of mistakes and we'll never get out of that "magic circle" (magic is as a synonym for illusion - "batil&quot.

Speaking of ayet itself... "created of" doesn't mean "consists of". Nothing's wrong with ayet, but with our understanding. As I tried to explain, in our definitions ALL spiders are animals; but in the Qur'an El-'Ankeboot is not Daabbet (count its legs).
Also, our definition ALL birds are animals; but Et-Tayr are not Daabbet.
We can say that daabbet is (some of) animal, but we should know that it's not precise, unless we define "animal" 100% same as "daabbet" is.

We should install some good "compiler" in our thinking, so it can report an error each time we are using something unknown and not precisely identified D

NielsJacob

. As I tried to explain, in our definitions ALL spiders are animals; but in the Qur'an El-'Ankeboot is not Daabbet (count its legs).
Also, our definition ALL birds are animals; but Et-Tayr are not Daabbet.

Hi
Okay.

I understand your theory. I just testing its solidity.
Like Can you be more specific where it should be mentioned as not animal (Daabbet) in Quran.

Peace.

Bender

We are using wrong definitions because we don't know better and it's acceptable in our communication. But, we can't take it as "reality" (haqq) and we should always know that it's not precize. Unless we are as Socrates ("I know that I don't know&quot, we'll make a lot of mistakes and we'll never get out of that "magic circle" (magic is as a synonym for illusion - "batil&quot.

You told me that God himself told you the meaning of the words (at least for the word ankaboot), how can that not be precise or haqq?

Bender

As I told you I haven't skipped Him this time and I got the explanation about this word. Take it as Ibn 'Arebi's "visions", if it's easier for you.
I can't leave Allah, otherwise I'd lie on Him.
Anybody can ask me or somebody else for explanation of anything, but we can't explain.

1134 is my standing and 3446 is something we all should do. (But don't use translations, ask from Allah swt to explain them)

you used dictionaries/lexicons/online translations/posts in this forum/etc to make anakaboot=spider, who are you exactly trying to fool?

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

As matter of fact, Bender, I told before that I was thinking that translations (andother sources) are not good, and I thought that El-'Ankeboot<>The Spiders. I was right and I was wrong, same time. When I was learned a few of el-Esma', I understood it.

I haven't told Bender, if you give me some money I'll explain something to you! Nor Bender, follow me, you'll be guided! Nor anything like that.

I just wanted to share with you that even if we say "house" for "beyt", we should know that it's not a material building, it's about a family.
If you wanna check it you can do, if you wanna discard it you can do it too.

Anyways, there're other words in this ayet and if anybody wanna share something about them it'll be good. Saying "it's not correct" without explaining what is... I don't know what to say.

Please tell me if any translation (or other sources) is saying that Beni Israil are jinns or that "kitab" is not in any way "book, letter..." or that Et-Tewrat is "transmitted messages" or that last word in surah Kafiroon doesn't mean "my deen" or that "weqaar" in 7113 means "deaf", etc.

I also said that Ibrahim a.s. was trown to female-jinns, with which his people were doing zina. I said too that "selam" is not a greeting and it doesn't mean "peace".

But, I'll share for you something else, which you can try to find in sources you mentioned.

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
We approached to you increased
Therefore you shall keep nearness because of your Lord and have respect
He who hates you is the one most in need

Allah swt knows best.

hansolo

Brother Aladin, what does

"BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
We approached to you increased
Therefore you shall keep nearness because of your Lord and have respect
He who hates you is the one most in need"

Mean/Say exactly?

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

It's an attempt to translate surah Kewser (108.), hansolo.

Bender

As matter of fact, Bender, I told before that I was thinking that translations (andother sources) are not good, and I thought that El-'Ankeboot<>The Spiders. I was right and I was wrong, same time. When I was learned a few of el-Esma', I understood it.

I haven't told Bender, if you give me some money I'll explain something to you! Nor Bender, follow me, you'll be guided! Nor anything like that.

No, you called me and others who have a different view blind ones and infected with interpretations of non-muslims (no idea what this means in your Godly dictionary but I don't think it's positive).
And I do not like people calling me blind because I am not as smart as them or because I do not have Godly visions.

I just wanted to share with you that even if we say "house" for "beyt", we should know that it's not a material building, it's about a family.

Again you bring something as truth while you are only speculating.

Anyways, there're other words in this ayet and if anybody wanna share something about them it'll be good. Saying "it's not correct" without explaining what is... I don't know what to say.

It works in the same way as "God told me so" or "I had a vision".

If I somewhere claim something just ask me and I will show you in detail how I came to my conclusions. It doesn't mean I am right, but at least I will show you how I came to my conclusions.

Please tell me if any translation (or other sources) is saying that Beni Israil are jinns or that "kitab" is not in any way "book, letter..." or that Et-Tewrat is "transmitted messages" or that last word in surah Kafiroon doesn't mean "my deen" or that "weqaar" in 7113 means "deaf", etc.

I also said that Ibrahim a.s. was trown to female-jinns, with which his people were doing zina. I said too that "selam" is not a greeting and it doesn't mean "peace".

No idea, but does this make your defintions the correct ones?
I say Bani Israel are dinos, I am almost sure no one ever thought of that, does this mean now that God told me so?

God told you that Ibrahim was thrown to Beni Israel females aka female jinns? Interesting!

But, I'll share for you something else, which you can try to find in sources you mentioned.

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
We approached to you increased
Therefore you shall keep nearness because of your Lord and have respect
He who hates you is the one most in need

Allah swt knows best.

thanks for sharing peace

Brother Aladin, what does

"BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
We approached to you increased
Therefore you shall keep nearness because of your Lord and have respect
He who hates you is the one most in need"

Mean/Say exactly?

It's to comfort yourself that you are right and the one who disagrees with you is wrong.

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

Again you bring something as truth while you are only speculating.

Not as "truth", as "reality". That's the meaning of the word "haqq". (If you want write it down)
I'm asking again and waiting for you to say anything after "no, it's not correct". Maybe some sentence as "this is the reality (or truth, if you like)...".

I had no visions, I'm not Saul/Paul nor Ibn 'Arebi. I just understood something which was explained to me.

I really don't care if you or anybody else is right or wrong, it's not upto me to judge. It's even impossible for anybody to judge you, because you said nothing here.

NielsJacob

Hi Andrewsarchus

All your words change the fact that the spider has the weakest house. Like also Quran also states.

I saw you impyed that it had to do with the family/social spider,and not house
And you claimed that there was nothing like a social spider. Also here I have to correct you https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_spider

Peace.

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

Even widow spiders (genus Latrodectus), which are notoriously aggressive and cannibalistic, have formed small colonies in captivity, sharing webs and feeding together

Dear brother, I brought only one line from wikipedia's page.

What you understand as "a house"? I don't know much about spiders, but what happens when it rains for example?
Being social doesn't mean that they're not canibbalistic. Sociality is, as I understood, about "good relations" (hunting, protecting...) with others from their colony and it doesn't mean that they live with their spouses.
Have you checked if you can implement your understanding in all ayets where "beyt/buyoot" was mentioned?

Bender

Not as "truth", as "reality". That's the meaning of the word "haqq". (If you want write it down)

I did not say haqq=truth, I said you should not throw your defintions on me as if they are truths.
Just like now with this word "haqq".

I'm asking again and waiting for you to say anything after "no, it's not correct". Maybe some sentence as "this is the reality (or truth, if you like)...".

In this case, I already did, I said God told me so, just like you.

I had no visions, I'm not Saul/Paul nor Ibn 'Arebi. I just understood something which was explained to me.

Now you lost me, earlier you said "I haven't skipped Him this time and I got the explanation about this word. Take it as Ibn 'Arebi's "visions", if it's easier for you."

I really don't care if you or anybody else is right or wrong, it's not upto me to judge. It's even impossible for anybody to judge you, because you said nothing here.

But you already judged me in your OP as being blind and following non-muslims.

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

I didn't told that you're blind and you're following non-Muslims. I said that those who can't see obvious are blind and most of translators/commentators followed (are following) dictionaries from non-Muslims or their followers. It's nothing unexpected, we all are getting guidance from sources we're accepting as legit. I tried to warn others on that, because I was doing same in most cases and I know what I'm talking about.

I said "take it as Ibn 'Arebi's visions if it's easier for you", which meant if you can't understand reality which I tried to tell. The reality is that ONLY Allah swt can explain the Qur'an.

What I said about "truth" (s-d-q) is that my intention was not to come with evidencies outside this ayet, I just wanted to come with its reality (h-q-q), which is "beyt" = "a family". If you need proves you can ask for them, or if you think that it's illusion (batil) you have to come with proves for that. Otherwise, your words are empty, if you're not blind.

Bender

I didn't told that you're blind and you're following non-Muslims. I said that those who can't see obvious are blind and most of translators/commentators followed (are following) dictionaries from non-Muslims or their followers. It's nothing unexpected, we all are getting guidance from sources we're accepting as legit. I tried to warn others on that, because I was doing same in most cases and I know what I'm talking about.

I said "take it as Ibn 'Arebi's visions if it's easier for you", which meant if you can't understand reality which I tried to tell. The reality is that ONLY Allah swt can explain the Qur'an.

What I said about "truth" (s-d-q) is that my intention was not to come with evidencies outside this ayet, I just wanted to come with its reality (h-q-q), which is "beyt" = "a family". If you need proves you can ask for them, or if you think that it's illusion (batil) you have to come with proves for that. Otherwise, your words are empty, if you're not blind.

You already gave in your OP your waterproof evidence

"I hope that this example will be clear proof, even for those who're near to be totally blind.
The real (haqq) meaning of this word is "family" and this ayet is talking that weakest of families is spider's. Why?
Because most of spiders are eaten after or during sexual intercourse, trying to "take" a family.
(note FM translation for is "take" and for the same word in the same ayet is "makes&quot

Please check all ayets with word "beyt" in any form and think about them. I hope Allah swt will explain to us a lot in them."

in combination with

"Allah swt told me so."

One of the most brilliant proofs I've ever seen yes

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

I'd really like to know your frequency, maybe different kind of light can help.

Have you noticed in text you quoted "outside this ayet"? I told, if you need further evidencies, to check all ayets with "beyt".
But, if you are so blind, ask and I can tell you how "logic" works in all ayets. I can't explain them to you, but I can tell you where to look. So, if you're not blind you'll see for sure.

If your motive was what I told about dictionaries/lexicons then I'm sorry, I can't talk what you like to hear. If you're satisfied that "taqwa" has root waw-qaf-ya, I really can't help.

In case you don't need help to see and you don't wanna share your own opinion about the word "beyt", I won't further answer your comments about this topic.

Man_of_Faith

Even if Allah told you so, what do you gain from that?

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

Even if Allah told you so, what do you gain from that?

For example, I know that in case I wanna divorce my wife I have to keep her close to her family (not her house) during 'iddet. This means that I should let her be with her kids, not just locked in one of rooms.

Man_of_Faith

And that is not common sense?

Timotheus

Peace,

Beyt is a house, the word goes back pretty far, just look at the pictogram B especially in ancient forms it's clearly a house. Hence the preposition b- in Hebrew, Arabic means in, with, etc because a house is where you keep things