Muhkamat vs Mutashabihat

[Noon_waalqalami]

Peace, some verses are literal e.g. inheritance and others allegoric like afterlife, heaven/hell, etc.

37 he the one descended upon you the book from it signs/verses mu'kamtun/literal its (taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory) they mother (core) the book and other mutashbihtun/analogous of it (comparable in certain respects) so as for the ones in hearts theirs deviation so following what seem alike from it pursues of the sedition and pursues of elucidation its and not knowledge elucidation its only the god and the firm being in the knowledge saying believe we of in it each from near/with lord ours and not remembers except holders the knowledge

3923 the god descend best the narration book of mutashbihan/analogous of reiterated shiver from it skins the ones fearing lord theirs furthermore relax skins theirs and hearts theirs to remembrance the god such guidance the god guides with it whom wills and whom lets strays the god so not for him from guide

4720 and says the ones believes they of why not revealed chapter so when descended is chapter mu'kamatun/literal it and remind therein the war see thou the ones in hearts theirs illness seeing to you looked the faint of heart on him from the death so appropriate for them

[imrankhawaja]

Now how can we determine which verse is Muhkamat or Mutashabihat?

its easy to understand... the verses itself explain either its literal or methaphor...(in most of the cases)

example is ...

2435 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a concave mirror within a lamp, the lamp is within a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly radiates light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light. God guides to His light those whom He pleases. God sets forth parables for mankind; God is aware of all things.

4715 Is the example of the Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of alcohol that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord; like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines?

[Jafar]

4715 Is the example of the Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of alcohol that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord;

rivers of milk whose taste does not change <-- Children this is for you
rivers of alcohol that are delicious for the drinkers <-- Dude this is all for you.. you can have a 'heaven' of a party there.. uuraa..
rivers of strained honey <-- Sisters, Moms, Grandma.. this is for you..
and for them in it are all kinds of fruits <-- Vegetarians.. this is for you..

like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines?

First I need to say this book (and also the "other books&quot should be labeled

https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Parental_Advisory_label.svg/440px-Parental_Advisory_label.svg.png

Having said that
drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines <-- Cannibal Corpse and other death metal band fans.. this is for you..

[imrankhawaja]

rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

brother jaffar its not exact .... its a parabale...

and make sure the parable of 14 centuries earlier for the people who were good at nothing apart from *******tion

so you dnt need to think the same way how they were thinking...

a parable for today must b like this...

rivers of coacine/marijuana
rivers of ironblue/redbull
rivers of laptop/mobile/tabs
clubs of having 72 different kind of girls for one person( yay yay bender yay yay) withour paying any entry ticket...
sky diving
water deep dive with katrina kaif
and similar things

about the hell prison.. the jails of mexcio and pakistan are the example of hell prison , where mosquitos, heat , and pedhophile prisoners are after you...

you can understand that common brother... parable is just a parable...

3217 And no human being can imagine what blissful delights are kept hidden for them as a reward for what they used to do. (thats literal we dnt know what will be there)...

but the best anybody can imagine...

i wonder why you didnt comment on the first parable verse about God... hmm 24 35

[good_logic]

Peace Imran.

People in this forum( I guess many guests also) know brother Jafar very well.
Do not take him seriously. He chooses what to mock in and when to mock Qoran,
I suppose Jafar knows Arabic very well. He sees clearly the word "Mathalu Al Jannati"...The example of paradise...The parable of paradise...yes a clear allegory ,yet he takes it for real and mocks the book that he pretends he does not understand or does not want to understand.
Brother Jafar,the game is over. Grow up and study the book properly!
But ten again it is your choice.
GOD bless.
Peace.

[Jafar]

i wonder why you didnt comment on the first parable verse about God... hmm 24 35

Why I should comment on the thing that is good?

While

"boiling water that cuts-up their intestines" <-- This is an interesting Death Metal band like of passage.. specifically "CANNIBAL CORPSE" and if a book (whatever the title or whomever the claimed author) or an album contain such description, then the label of "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT CONTENT" should be put on their cover... as a warning for parent that the material is not suitable for their children...
Why then it should it be any different on the book which the quote came from?

yet he takes it for real and mocks the book that he pretends he does not understand or does not want to understand.
Brother Jafar,the game is over. Grow up and study the book properly!
But ten again it is your choice.

The mockery here is actually the CLAIM that the true God,
the provider for all,
the knower of all things in the past, present and future..
the most caring loving and compassionate.
the most humble thus the most exalted
the most powerful thus all the things happened in accordance to his plan

Actually wrote a book and the book contained a passage which is so brutal that it fits perfectly for the chorus of death metal band song..

A snippet of lyrics from CANNIBAL CORPSE album, which obviously was not authored by the true God and definitely received the label of "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT CONTENT".

Blood drips from the blade
Visceral display
Hook attached inside
Cavity gaping wide
Intestinal crank
Awaken disemboweled
Rotation pulling out the guts
Excruciating pain
Body starts to strain
Struggle in vain
Intestines on the spool
Drawing out the guts
Drawing out the guts
-- Cannibal Corpse, Intestinal Crank

The above lyrics can also be interpreted as 'metaphor'... the actual member of Cannibal Corpse band are normal guys.. civilized, have family, wive, children and never wrecked anybody's intestine or guts..

[imrankhawaja]

Why I should comment on the thing that is good?

commenting on good thing is also good thing itself..

obviously if you will comment about the parable of God it must be Good..and informative for reader...

"boiling water that cuts-up their intestines" <-- This is an interesting Death Metal band like of passage.. specifically "CANNIBAL CORPSE" and if a book (whatever the title or whomever the claimed author) or an album contain such description, then the label of "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT CONTENT" should be put on their cover... as a warning for parent that the material is not suitable for their children...
Why then it should it be any different on the book which the quote came from?

brother parable is telling you that criminals must be get punished...

becoz he is not only a loving God but also just god with justice with truth...
so
the criminals like rapist, killers, invaders must get punished.. and actually its a parable so criminals must understand if they try to become God and take something what does not belong to them... then the cause and effect will appraoch them...

you are talking about suitibility of kids material , is it not everyday the movies that kids are watching in which lot of stuff which is in reality is bad.. like watching robbery, romantic scenes, killing, raping, are also not a good thing to watch..

but nobody stops them to watching it , becoz everybody knows its fiction and a parable of self imagined story... thats why let them see . but infact in every glamourous movie in the end .. good kills evil... as a lesson...

what on other words a punishement...

i wonder if you ever think that way ... about this parable too...

[virginia]

"boiling water that cuts-up their intestines" <-- This is an interesting Death Metal band like of passage.. specifically "CANNIBAL CORPSE" and if a book (whatever the title or whomever the claimed author) or an album contain such description, then the label of "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT CONTENT" should be put on their cover... as a warning for parent that the material is not suitable for their children...
Why then it should it be any different on the book which the quote came from?

The mockery here is actually the CLAIM that the true God,
the provider for all,
the knower of all things in the past, present and future..
the most caring loving and compassionate.
the most humble thus the most exalted
the most powerful thus all the things happened in accordance to his plan

Actually wrote a book and the book contained a passage which is so brutal that it fits perfectly for the chorus of death metal band song..

A snippet of lyrics from CANNIBAL CORPSE album, which obviously was not authored by the true God and definitely received the label of "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT CONTENT".

Blood drips from the blade
Visceral display
Hook attached inside
Cavity gaping wide
Intestinal crank
Awaken disemboweled
Rotation pulling out the guts
Excruciating pain
Body starts to strain
Struggle in vain
Intestines on the spool
Drawing out the guts
Drawing out the guts
-- Cannibal Corpse, Intestinal Crank

The above lyrics can also be interpreted as 'metaphor'... the actual member of Cannibal Corpse band are normal guys.. civilized, have family, wive, children and never wrecked anybody's intestine or guts..

Peace, Jafar

I think you are messing up comprehension and justice

Parabole? Hard words? Metal group?

Do you think whoever is conciously responsible for what you will see in the video following or responsible for not stopping it will find an understanding merciful God? or a God who will make justice for all those little souls?

All warnings applied! Graphic video

https//www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/920793911395450/

There are huge crimes going on, there were and will be and victims claiming for justice, muhkmat or not... What is brutal here?

[imrankhawaja]

peace everybody..

i was telling to somebody before ... quran is the only book which allowed everybody to comment on it,, like scientist, philospher, language expert, and even fools & stupids....

if i write a fiction book or novel.. my story will be like this...
a villan killed , raped, invade somebody house... and hero take revenge by putting flowers in the neck of villan.. it will b a flop, illogical, funny and stupid novel ...

hero must have to take revenge for the cruelty what he suffers... (thats what logic demands)

when comin to quran , if God telling about the criminals punishment is severe , suddenly people like jaffar get a chance to mock on it...

and interestingly if God write opposite of this... like criminals dnt have to worry about what they were doing in their life.. mr jaffar will bring another mistake , to mock quran for illogical statement, or unjust God something like that...

becoz mocking is the nature of mocker
like crime is the nature of criminal
and giving punishment is the nature of law/justice...

i sometime wonder on people , when they expect god to forgive everybody and their crime.. let say a suicide bomber who ripped/blasted the body parts of innocent kids who were the only support for their parents... and if God forgive the suicide bomber.. what will be the reaction of the parents who lose their beloved for no reason... will they Gona take God to court about the justice what they promised by God... police

[Man_of_Faith]

If something is illogical and irrational it may invite to mocking. But it might be better to not use sarcasm and focus more objectively on what is a problem. However, in some cases people may interpret criticism as mocking.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

[imrankhawaja]

yes punishing a killer is illogical...
punishing a rapist is illogical...

and critising on this punishment is very logical.. (just for disbeleiver/kaffir)

if God is punishing a criminal , how come this illogical...?

forget about God , if somebody is raping your mother or sister infront of you.. will you gona spare him... or you will take some action ? taking action against a criminal is illogical for you ?

i hope you will not gona hug the rapist otherwise i will consider you as mentally disable person...

[good_logic]

Peace All.

And there we have it! Too many choices for those who want to follow.
Some Ancestors way.. Pahroah way, Moses way, Jesus way,Mohammed way,,,Leaders way. ( Hitler,Ghandi...,) The scholars,the philosophers the professors...Faith and reason clashing/fighting/arguing/...Never in harmony,walking together.

Too many ways,too many clever people( clever to heal,clever to build,clever to harm,clever to destroy...).

And there is The GOD. The only way. The one who gave life to all these folks, the one who gave intelligence to all these folks,the one who binds faith and reason together as one.
The difference you may ask?
All these folks come against brick walls . GOD wants them to bind together like a "brick wall".
Faith and reason ,a pair made for each other. Binding together as one,
Muhkamat and Mutashabihat binding together as one,
GOD bless.
Peace.

[good_logic]

Peace Girl...
Your "roses for the lady" reminded me of this joke

On opening her new store, a woman received a bouquet of roses. She became dismayed on reading the enclosed card, that it expressed "Deepest Sympathy".While puzzling over the message, her telephone rang. It was the florist, apologizing for having sent the wrong card. "Oh, it's alright." said the storekeeper. "I'm a businesswoman and I understand how these things can happen.""But," added the florist, "I accidentally sent your card to a funeral party." "Well, what did it say?" ask the storekeeper. "'Congratulations on your new location'." was the reply.

These things happen.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[imrankhawaja]

peace GL

that girl change into jinn becoz i feel her vanishing...

some gifts to her ...

https//lasttimeisawdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/the-vanishing-poster.jpg

another one ...

http//www.designindaba.com/sites/default/files/node/news/17206/gallery/vanishingpoint03.jpg

i miss you dearie

[good_logic]

Yes Imran, now my post is weird and off-topic since hers has vanished.
Mutashabihat I suppose.
GOD bless you.
Peace

[bagyane]

Thanks for your responses

My thoughts

Every verse of the Quran is clear, if you don't understand it that doesn't mean it's not clear, if it is not clear to you, maybe it is clear to me or someone else.

The clue to determine muhkamat verses

111-3 Introduced the followings commandments as Muhkamat and they are well expounded in the book

• That you should not serve/worship any except Allah ?Alla ta'abudoo illa Allaha?

• You should seek forgiveness of your Rabb ?Anistagfiru Rabbakum?

• You should make a U turn towards Him ?Tuboo ilayhi?

Thus, all the verses in the book containing any or all of the above mentioned commandments or their explanations can be regarded as muhkamat.

Therefore, Serving/Worshiping Allah ?Ta?aabudoo Allah?; Seeking forgiveness of Allah ?Astaghfiroo Allah? and Making U turn to Allah ?Tuboo ila Allah? are the foundations or building blocks of the book ?Ummul Kitab?

• The purpose of our creation is based on serving/worshiping Allah ?Abudoo Allah? is stated in 5156

• Racing to seeking forgiveness is stated in 5721

• Absolute U turn to Allah is stated in 668

Now the next questions is

How shall we serve or worship Allah?

[Noon_waalqalami]

Thanks for your responses

My thoughts

Every verse of the Quran is clear, if you don't understand it that doesn't mean it's not clear, if it is not clear to you, maybe it is clear to me or someone else.

Peace, if clear why ask rhetorical questions?

Now the next questions is

How shall we serve or worship Allah?

Is this another rhetorical question? Should be different topic.

[imrankhawaja]

They don't exist,please don't investigate this any further,K?

it depends on experience ..

you can start a new thread then i will tell you my own very experience .. about them..

there are things exist in universe what you/me/we have no knowledge off..

[good_logic]

Peace BAMF!

I get it. (4 times!)

Why and how did the posts of Girl... disappear is my question now?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[good_logic]

Girl,I was hoping there will be no miracles, But somehow I was also expecting things to vanish again.

GOD bless you too sister.
Peace.