Muhkamat vs Mutashabihat

imrankhawaja

peace everybody..

i was telling to somebody before ... quran is the only book which allowed everybody to comment on it,, like scientist, philospher, language expert, and even fools & stupids....

if i write a fiction book or novel.. my story will be like this...
a villan killed , raped, invade somebody house... and hero take revenge by putting flowers in the neck of villan.. it will b a flop, illogical, funny and stupid novel ...

hero must have to take revenge for the cruelty what he suffers... (thats what logic demands)

when comin to quran , if God telling about the criminals punishment is severe , suddenly people like jaffar get a chance to mock on it...

and interestingly if God write opposite of this... like criminals dnt have to worry about what they were doing in their life.. mr jaffar will bring another mistake , to mock quran for illogical statement, or unjust God something like that...

becoz mocking is the nature of mocker
like crime is the nature of criminal
and giving punishment is the nature of law/justice...

i sometime wonder on people , when they expect god to forgive everybody and their crime.. let say a suicide bomber who ripped/blasted the body parts of innocent kids who were the only support for their parents... and if God forgive the suicide bomber.. what will be the reaction of the parents who lose their beloved for no reason... will they Gona take God to court about the justice what they promised by God... police

Man_of_Faith

If something is illogical and irrational it may invite to mocking. But it might be better to not use sarcasm and focus more objectively on what is a problem. However, in some cases people may interpret criticism as mocking.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

imrankhawaja

yes punishing a killer is illogical...
punishing a rapist is illogical...

and critising on this punishment is very logical.. (just for disbeleiver/kaffir)

if God is punishing a criminal , how come this illogical...?

forget about God , if somebody is raping your mother or sister infront of you.. will you gona spare him... or you will take some action ? taking action against a criminal is illogical for you ?

i hope you will not gona hug the rapist otherwise i will consider you as mentally disable person...

good_logic

Peace All.

And there we have it! Too many choices for those who want to follow.
Some Ancestors way.. Pahroah way, Moses way, Jesus way,Mohammed way,,,Leaders way. ( Hitler,Ghandi...,) The scholars,the philosophers the professors...Faith and reason clashing/fighting/arguing/...Never in harmony,walking together.

Too many ways,too many clever people( clever to heal,clever to build,clever to harm,clever to destroy...).

And there is The GOD. The only way. The one who gave life to all these folks, the one who gave intelligence to all these folks,the one who binds faith and reason together as one.
The difference you may ask?
All these folks come against brick walls . GOD wants them to bind together like a "brick wall".
Faith and reason ,a pair made for each other. Binding together as one,
Muhkamat and Mutashabihat binding together as one,
GOD bless.
Peace.

good_logic

Peace Girl...
Your "roses for the lady" reminded me of this joke

On opening her new store, a woman received a bouquet of roses. She became dismayed on reading the enclosed card, that it expressed "Deepest Sympathy".While puzzling over the message, her telephone rang. It was the florist, apologizing for having sent the wrong card. "Oh, it's alright." said the storekeeper. "I'm a businesswoman and I understand how these things can happen.""But," added the florist, "I accidentally sent your card to a funeral party." "Well, what did it say?" ask the storekeeper. "'Congratulations on your new location'." was the reply.

These things happen.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

peace GL

that girl change into jinn becoz i feel her vanishing...

some gifts to her ...

https//lasttimeisawdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/the-vanishing-poster.jpg

another one ...

http//www.designindaba.com/sites/default/files/node/news/17206/gallery/vanishingpoint03.jpg

i miss you dearie

good_logic

Yes Imran, now my post is weird and off-topic since hers has vanished.
Mutashabihat I suppose.
GOD bless you.
Peace

bagyane

Thanks for your responses

My thoughts

Every verse of the Quran is clear, if you don't understand it that doesn't mean it's not clear, if it is not clear to you, maybe it is clear to me or someone else.

The clue to determine muhkamat verses

111-3 Introduced the followings commandments as Muhkamat and they are well expounded in the book

• That you should not serve/worship any except Allah ?Alla ta'abudoo illa Allaha?

• You should seek forgiveness of your Rabb ?Anistagfiru Rabbakum?

• You should make a U turn towards Him ?Tuboo ilayhi?

Thus, all the verses in the book containing any or all of the above mentioned commandments or their explanations can be regarded as muhkamat.

Therefore, Serving/Worshiping Allah ?Ta?aabudoo Allah?; Seeking forgiveness of Allah ?Astaghfiroo Allah? and Making U turn to Allah ?Tuboo ila Allah? are the foundations or building blocks of the book ?Ummul Kitab?

• The purpose of our creation is based on serving/worshiping Allah ?Abudoo Allah? is stated in 5156

• Racing to seeking forgiveness is stated in 5721

• Absolute U turn to Allah is stated in 668

Now the next questions is

How shall we serve or worship Allah?

Noon_waalqalami

Thanks for your responses

My thoughts

Every verse of the Quran is clear, if you don't understand it that doesn't mean it's not clear, if it is not clear to you, maybe it is clear to me or someone else.

Peace, if clear why ask rhetorical questions?

Now the next questions is

How shall we serve or worship Allah?

Is this another rhetorical question? Should be different topic.

imrankhawaja

They don't exist,please don't investigate this any further,K?

it depends on experience ..

you can start a new thread then i will tell you my own very experience .. about them..

there are things exist in universe what you/me/we have no knowledge off..

good_logic

Peace BAMF!

I get it. (4 times!)

Why and how did the posts of Girl... disappear is my question now?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

good_logic

Girl,I was hoping there will be no miracles, But somehow I was also expecting things to vanish again.

GOD bless you too sister.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

http//cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2014/11/14/635515967163120478318194316_michaelscott.gif
That's all you got out of that.
That's it, I'm not gonna resurrect myself for this rotfl

before i experience again about your vanishing news... i suggest you to stand infront of mirror and look into your own eyes and ask , questions about some matters from yourself... trust me it will help...

you know what methaphorical hell for people of arabs 14 centuries ago was flame of fire .. or a heat ... becoz from heat they always suffer...
if arab was in antartica then the hell would be like freezing temprature... (once titanic voyagers experienced it )

but infact what i understand hell(azab) is real unisatisfaction regarding something... anything.. that cause you trouble...

i dnt know your gender
i dnt know who you are
i dnt know whats history u have with moderators
i dnt know what make you come back here again and again
i dnt know what is you actual hell(azab)

but in all of it .. i want you to finish your azab and find some peace that will make you feel good...

you can find peace in multiple ways...
feeding hungry animals (ducks, pigeons)
feeding a poor
helping someone who is in trouble
do something that will benefit the people arounf you
and lot of other small things and if you unable to do things then

atleast give people a smile full of love . it will cost you nothing trust me but will give you a satisfaction what you cant buy in market...

NOTE by making profiles again and again .. and doing stuff what cause others in stress is not a good source for developing your self...

doing/preacing /acting something due to a reason is not a act liked by God...

i wish i proceed talk with you regarding jinn but i can figure it out , you dnt have much time for discussion as a matter of fact i beleive they will make you vanish again..who are responsible for the previous vanishing ... so instead of wasting my time on some discussion which will not get end i better thought to give you free advise on something what you really need..

imrankhawaja

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFfRN3MrAk

and listen this song and feel the heat sun O0 sun

virginia

Every verse of the Quran is clear, if you don't understand it that doesn't mean it's not clear, if it is not clear to you, maybe it is clear to me or someone else.

bravo

good_logic

Peace.
Something weird is going on in this thread.
Look at my posts, they are out of place and off topic now the posts of the person I was answering have disappeared!

MODs ,are you allowed to tell us what happened? Or give us some clue ... Or ...

Just asking if that is ok?
GOD bless.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

peace GL...

i think it was my prophesy ... yay yay

just kidding... he/she is someone having a history with moderators...

so moderators are trying to teach him/her a lesson..

i remember there were some students of class who wanted to join class but everytime they try to enter ... the teacher never let them sit in the class ..due to the reason they were spreading lies against the proven facts.. or may b they were insane students who were thinking they are more educated than teachers...

God knows best ... i hope i can figure it out,, i start missing her... lets see when she/he take another janam (rebirth)

i think you can get reincarnate up to 7 times... she still got some chances ... to correct himself/herself...

good_logic

Peace Imran.
Thanks for that.
I suppose we can only speculate.
Brother, thank you also for inviting me for a cup of tea in Birmingham, England.
I hope to make it sometimes in the future,GOD willing. I will let you know in advance if it is possible.

At the moment I am busy with the family (We are bringing up one of our grand child- Alex- full time as well as looking after our horse and dog) and have planned my schedule for the next 6 months including a holiday to Africa in May. Add to that jogging to keep fit and my personal study time, I will not be able to fit coming your way sooner.
Hope you understand.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

Peace Imran.
Thanks for that.
I suppose we can only speculate.
Brother, thank you also for inviting me for a cup of tea in Birmingham, England.
I hope to make it sometimes in the future,GOD willing. I will let you know in advance if it is possible.

At the moment I am busy with the family (We are bringing up one of our grand child- Alex- full time as well as looking after our horse and dog) and have planned my schedule for the next 6 months including a holiday to Africa in May. Add to that jogging to keep fit and my personal study time, I will not be able to fit coming your way sooner.
Hope you understand.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

peace GL..

i can understand .. it dosent matter... we see eachother on forum anyway.. so its not a big deal..

aww lucky you .. you have busy schedule... look at me..
from last two years... i have nothing to do apart from sleeping, laptop , tv and eating food... (cooking too )

very boring life... once it was busy like hell... i remeber 6 years ago... three days for college, seven days job...
and some days i was unable to sleep due to busy routine...

i wish i never asked that pray rotfl, of long sleeping
which God fullfill and i have nothing to do now... i m on long holidays... but its not good , i want the busy life back... thats a human nature he never value things in hand.. when he lose something then he realsie..

good_logic

Peace Imran.
Thank you for your post.
I am sure you have some skills very useful to others.
The Lord will provide you a busier schedule. Ask and you will be given.
GOD bless you.
Peace.