Marrying a Traditionalist Is As Same as Marrying a Polytheist
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This comes from an article by Dr. Mansour. He wrote it as an to answer a person's question. The analogy is quite interesting. I am breaking it into paragraphs to ease reading.
Quranists are never to marry male and female aggressive polytheists/disbelievers as per their overt violent demeanor. We mean here terrorists of our modern era those who commit, support, and call for terrorist actions, as we infer such prohibited type of marriage from the following verse "Do not marry female polytheists, unless they have believed. A believing maid is better than a polytheistic one, even if you like her. And do not marry male polytheists, unless they have believed. A believing servant is better than a polytheistic one, even if you like him. These call to the Hell-Fire, but God calls to the Paradise and to forgiveness, by His leave. He makes clear His communications to the people, that they may be mindful." (2221). Hence, it is prohibited in the first place to draw a marriage contact between a female peaceful person and a male terrorist and between a male peaceful person and a female terrorist.
Terrorists of both genders are not confined to those who commit the heinous terrorist crimes (like MB, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS members) but also include preachers of terror like Wahabi clergymen in the KSA and Wahabis like Al-Qaradawy and Abou Bakr Al-Baghdadi, because they issue fatwas to massacre the innocent ones who are non-Wahabis. Those terrorists and terrorism preachers are disbelievers and polytheists in terms of behavior and it is prohibited to get married to them.
All peaceful non-Quranist people of any given denominations (even atheists) can be married to Quranists. The worst type of disbelievers in terms of faith are the hypocrites whom God will punish in Hell in the Hereafter if they do not repent "The hypocrites will be in the lowest level of the Fire, and you will find no helper for them." (4145); yet, with many verses about hypocrites and how to deal with them, no Quranic verse ever talks about not to get married to hypocrites or to get divorced from them, because they were peaceful in terms of non-violent demeanor despite their lack of true faith. In general, applying Quranic sharia is linked to overt behavior that can be judged by mortals, while mortals are not to judge faith inside hearts and minds of people, which increases or decreases inside them, as it is judged only by God on the Day of Judgment.
As for the temporal, transient life, we deal with one another as human beings as per overt behavior and Islam/peace in terms of behavior (i.e., peaceful demeanor and non-violence). Hence, all peaceful people worldwide are Muslims (i.e., submitters to peace as a higher value), who adhere to higher values of peace, justice, non-violence, and lack of aggression and compulsion in religion. All people are peaceful brethren if they avoid violence of any type. Let us ponder on the following verses "Towards a believer they respect neither kinship nor treaty. These are the transgressors. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give the obligatory charity, then they are your brethren in faith. We detail the revelations for a people who know." (910-11); we see here that even aggressors are pardoned by God if they repent and adhere to peace.
It is of paramount importance in Islam that all people live in peace; peaceful brethren can intermarry of course, regardless of their different denominations and religious affiliations; the forbidden marriage contracts are the ones drawn with aggressive people and enemies of reigning overt peace, as they are the ones who violate the religion of peace (Islam). The worst type of aggressive disbelievers and polytheists are the ones using the name of God/Allah and Islam to commit indiscriminate massacres and heinous terrorist crimes while shouting Allahu Akbar/God is the Greatest. Such terrorists must not marry peaceful people at all. As far as the Quran is concerned, difference in faiths is NEVER a cause to stop drawing a marriage contract between peaceful people. Hence, each spouse should respect the religion of the other spouse; thus, it is OK if a Quranist husband/wife has a spouse that deifies Muhammad, Jesus, Ali, Al-Hussein, the Lady (Mary, Zeinab, Isis, Nafisa,...), etc. or even Satan as long as both spouses respect one another and never interfere in each other's faith and religious freedom and performance of rituals of any type. One is responsible for one's faith ONLY before the Almighty God in the Hereafter and not before any mortals.
http//www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=16200
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yes that make sense...
God aloners/quranist by sect are very few (forum , secret ids , even own family members are not aware in some cases)
God aloners/quranist by nature are everywhere .. (peaceful chirstian, righteous jew, helper buddist and so on)interestingly i just had dream about 262 today..
kafir/disbeliever by sect are very few (most of them in jails)
kafir/disbelievers by nature are everywhere (like isis, suicide bombers, invaders of orphan properties and so on) -
Salam,
I disagree with this study.
Believers for believers only.6010
O you who believe, if the believing females come emigrating to
you, then you shall test them. God is fully aware of their belief.
Thus, if you establish that they are believers, then you shall not
return them to the rejecters. They are no longer permissible for
one another. And return the dowries that were paid. And there
is no sin upon you to marry them, if you have paid their dowries
to them. And do not keep disbelieving wives, and ask back what
dowries you paid. And let them ask back what dowries they had
paid. Such is the judgment of God; He judges between you. God
is Knowledgeable, Wise.2221
And do not marry the female polytheists until they believe; for a
believing servant is better than a polytheist, even if she is pleasing
to you. And do not give in marriage to the male polytheists until
they believe; for a believing servant is better than a polytheist,
even if he is pleasing to you. These invite to the Fire, while God is
inviting to Paradise and forgiveness by His consent. He clarifies
His revelations for the people that they may remember.In 2221, it's clear that the requirement for marriage is that both be believers. It doesn't say "until they abandon polytheism" or "become rejecters instead of polytheists".
Also, the part about peaceful people being Muslims isn't right. Humanists and peace activists want peace, but some of them also say "there is no god". So clearly, they are rejecters and not Muslims.
Salam
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and whats about "mushriks"
like sunni and shia both are mushrik according to quran lens..
according to their own lens quran alone are disbleivers/kaffirs...
in this case there is not enough couples left , even in this forum u hardly find a quran alone couple..
God is not that illogical .. as far i think these verses are advising people to do marriage with somebody have similar thinking what u have.. for a successful relationship..
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Also, the part about peaceful people being Muslims isn't right. Humanists and peace activists want peace, but some of them also say "there is no god". So clearly, they are rejecters and not Muslims.
Accepting this understanding and not wanting to get again in the same discussion started in other posts, what happens in case believing men are less than believing women? Like in this forum, for example, the ratio is off balance, there are much more men than women.... Given that polyandry is forbidden... Did God not foresee such a situation?
in this case there is not enough couples left , even in this forum u hardly find a quran alone couple..
God is not that illogical .. as far i think these verses are advising people to do marriage with somebody have similar thinking what u have.. for a successful relationship..
handshake
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what happens in case believing men are less than believing women
then polygamy is the best solution rotfl
thats what traditional people claim .. they say as a matter of fact females are more than males so polygamy is a better situation compared to become public property ..even polygamy is allowed in paradise 72 virgins for one single person
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and whats about "mushriks"
like sunni and shia both are mushrik according to quran lens..
according to their own lens quran alone are disbleivers/kaffirs...
in this case there is not enough couples left , even in this forum u hardly find a quran alone couple..
God is not that illogical .. as far i think these verses are advising people to do marriage with somebody have similar thinking what u have.. for a successful relationship..
Sectarians are polytheists and hypocrites, i.e. they have set up partners with God. They don't fall under the category "believers", not even "submittters".
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Those who have divided their system and become sects, you are
not with them in anything. Their matter will be with God, then
He will inform them of what they had done.Then there's patience.
Salam
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All peaceful non-Quranist people of any given denominations (even atheists) can be married to Quranists.
Quran says you can only marry a believer, someone who believes in God
?Those who believe and those who are Jewish, the Christians and the Sabians, the ones who believe in God and the Last Day and do good deeds; they will have their reward from their Lord and no fear will come upon them nor will they grieve.? 262
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Sectarians are polytheists and hypocrites, i.e. they have set up partners with God.
6159
Those who have divided their system and become sects, you are
not with them in anything. Their matter will be with God, then
He will inform them of what they had done.Then there's patience.
Salam
red This is to deep for me, can you explain what you mean.
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Quran says you can only marry a believer, someone who believes in God
?Those who believe and those who are Jewish, the Christians and the Sabians, the ones who believe in God and the Last Day and do good deeds; they will have their reward from their Lord and no fear will come upon them nor will they grieve.? 262
The message of Quran seems to be that believing in God is not same as believing he exists. It is more about having faith in him and seeking guidance from him. Those who don't have the Book can use their consciousness to decide what is right and wrong. We all humans are programmed to do this. We are capable of understanding the consequence of doing vandalism on earth and we need to stand up for what is right. Satan was actually a believer. He acknowledged the creator's existence. But he was called a disbeliever after he disobeyed. It is the same thing with us humans. It doesn't matter what religion we come from.
and whats about "mushriks"
like sunni and shia both are mushrik according to quran lens..
according to their own lens quran alone are disbleivers/kaffirs...
in this case there is not enough couples left , even in this forum u hardly find a quran alone couple..
God is not that illogical .. as far i think these verses are advising people to do marriage with somebody have similar thinking what u have.. for a successful relationship..
Yeah, I agree with that. I have seen plenty of clashes between sectarian husbands and wives mainly because of "hadiths". Having same religion doesn't lead to happiness. At the end of the day, what matters is the peace under the roof. That can be achieved only through compatibility.
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Peace,
The message of Quran seems to be that believing in God is not same as believing he exists. It is more about having faith in him and seeking guidance from him. Those who don't have the Book can use their consciousness to decide what is right and wrong. We all humans are programmed to do this. We are capable of understanding the consequence of doing vandalism on earth and we need to stand up for what is right. Satan was actually a believer. He acknowledged the creator's existence. But he was called a disbeliever after he disobeyed. It is the same thing with us humans. It doesn't matter what religion we come from.
My thoughts mirror yours in this matter. It is one's actions by which one ought to be judged and not the specific labels they attach to themselves or the categories they insist on being placed in. I was having this conversation with my Mum as well some hours ago about how a person's actions define someone and not their label. I know many people and to me, they are Muslim. I would say all my friends are "Muslim" by my understanding because of the way they conduct themselves, although, they might not regard themselves as such. Alas, only Allah knows best what is in the hearts of His creation.
and whats about "mushriks"
like sunni and shia both are mushrik according to quran lens..
according to their own lens quran alone are disbleivers/kaffirs...
in this case there is not enough couples left , even in this forum u hardly find a quran alone couple..
God is not that illogical .. as far i think these verses are advising people to do marriage with somebody have similar thinking what u have.. for a successful relationship..
Again, my sentiments entirely. Allah knows best.
Peace.
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The message of Quran seems to be that believing in God is not same as believing he exists. It is more about having faith in him and seeking guidance from him. Those who don't have the Book can use their consciousness to decide what is right and wrong. We all humans are programmed to do this. We are capable of understanding the consequence of doing vandalism on earth and we need to stand up for what is right. Satan was actually a believer. He acknowledged the creator's existence. But he was called a disbeliever after he disobeyed. It is the same thing with us humans. It doesn't matter what religion we come from.
God tells us who the "believers" are
"Mu'mens (believers) are those who have faith in God and His messenger?" (4915)
"?and attain the status of having no doubt whatsoever?" (4915)
"?and Strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones." (4915)
"The true faithful are those whose hearts tremble when GOD is mentioned?" (82)
"?and when His revelations are recited to them, their faith is strengthened?" (82)
"?and they trust in their Lord." (82)
"They uphold the Worship (Salat)?" (83)
"?and from our provisions to them, they give to charity." (83)
"Such are TRULY THE BELIEVERS. They attain high ranks at their Lord, as well as forgiveness and a generous provision." (84)
I don't see how atheists can be considered "believers" we can marry if they reject God's revelations.. aand proudly say there is no god
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I don't see how atheists can be considered "believers" we can marry if they reject God's revelations.. aand proudly say there is no god
people here are trying to tell you the difference between an individual heart and individual actions
ok let say for a second .. the verses all you qouted just put a righteous christian in it..
he beleives in God (according to his knowledge what he gain)
he is sincear with God
he give charity
he help people
he do ibada(serving)and same goes with jew, buddist, sunni , and even athiest..
about the athiest thingie its bit tricky who is real "athiest"
athiest is the one who is kaffir and after knowing the truth he reject it due to arrogance(example is pharoah)hypocrate athiest ( all isis people who claim to beleive in God and do against the God by blasting the body parts of innocent kids)
mushrik athiest ( who beleives in illegal money/material more than God system of honesty)there are lot of flavours of real athiests/kafirs all around the world , how hard they try to say they are muslims, christian , beleivers but in reality they are invaders, rapist, robbers, trangressors, wicked..
now one of my friend is athiest
but he is kind
he did not do dishonesty with system
he help needy
he give charitybut he dnt beleive in God , i ask why becoz he said i did not see him , and there are different gods everywhere
muslims ,christians, buddist, hindus, jews all have different gods and demi gods i m confuse and right now i did not find a solution of God within my weak understanding of mind..now tell me is it logical for God to punish such creature , according to his sincear mind he did not understand the nature of God so he is atleast honest with himself ...
i m sorry for explaining these terms but labels are not what God is after..
the system of God and follower of that system is peacemaker(muslim)
the action of somebody with honesty and sincearty is a real thing... -
but he dnt beleive in God , i ask why becoz he said i did not see him , and there are different gods everywhere
muslims ,christians, buddist, hindus, jews all have different gods and demi gods i m confuse and right now i did not find a solution of God within my weak understanding of mind..now tell me is it logical for God to punish such creature , according to his sincear mind he did not understand the nature of God so he is atleast honest with himself ...
i m sorry for explaining these terms but labels are not what God is after..
the system of God and follower of that system is peacemaker(muslim)
the action of somebody with honesty and sincearty is a real thing...God says He shows us His Signs so your friend can't use that excuse. Also
7172-173 And your Lord took for the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They said "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.
Nor can you say "It was our fathers who set up partners before and we were simply a progeny who came after them. Would You destroy us for what the innovators did?"Peacemakers are not the same as believers. Believers follow what was revealed to the Messenger.
"And if it is recited to them, they say ?We believe in it. It is the truth from our Lord. Indeed, we had Submitted before it.? (2853)
"To these we grant twice the reward, because they steadfastly persevere. They counter evil works with good works, and from our provisions to them, they give." (2854) -
I understand what you are saying. I recently became a progressive/non-donomational/semi-quranist muslim because I feel like ALLAH guided me to that path. I haven't told my parents or anyone but it sucks because I know no one of my type around me. One of my biggest fears is marrying a salafi/traditionalist/extremist muslim &. I think I'd rather marry a person of the book than them. But unfortunately this misconception arose that muslim women can't do so. Hell their thinking is so absurd and have been so corrupted by "hadith" I think I would rather live my life with a girl than one of them rotfl rotfl rotfl
I hope Allah guides me to righteous people without this twisted version of islam. Muslims can be so scary sometimes tempt giveup
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God says He shows us His Signs so your friend can't use that excuse. Also
7172-173 And your Lord took for the children of Adam from their backs, their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They said "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection that you were unaware of this.sister re read my post please what i try to tell you..
God will judge everybody by heart, as he already knows whats inside the chest...if you are honest with that approach u dnt need to worry at all..
and about this verse , it appears to me this verse is something before offering us a trust/freewill
right now i dnt remember such type of contract/deal with God. its may b in my subconscious ..
so its silly to say him things without proofPeacemakers are not the same as believers. Believers follow what was revealed to the Messenger.
so how do you know what revealed to messenger ?
whats about the christians who believed the bible is the revelation of God
whats about jews, hindus , all those people who sincearly devoted themselves to God believing their scripture is true ?peacemaker=muslim.. whatever label he/she get from inheritence..
what is the fault of a kid who dnt born in traditional sunni family .. ?
it seems you also think same like sunni/shia who think they are the sole owner of heavens
only they are chosen people..
only they are on the right path...i keep it short in more logical way...
God will judge every nation/individual by the ability of understanding he/she have... -
I understand what you are saying. I recently became a progressive/non-donomational/semi-quranist muslim because I feel like ALLAH guided me to that path. I haven't told my parents or anyone but it sucks because I know no one of my type around me. One of my biggest fears is marrying a salafi/traditionalist/extremist muslim &. I think I'd rather marry a person of the book than them. But unfortunately this misconception arose that muslim women can't do so. Hell their thinking is so absurd and have been so corrupted by "hadith" I think I would rather live my life with a girl than one of them rotfl rotfl rotfl
I hope Allah guides me to righteous people without this twisted version of islam. Muslims can be so scary sometimes tempt giveup
brother getting married is something else , do with whoever you like/love
love is the only thing that change things according to the choice of other person.make your relation based on emotions/feelings not on religion ..
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and about this verse , it appears to me this verse is something before offering us a trust/freewill
right now i dnt remember such type of contract/deal with God. its may b in my subconscious ..
so its silly to say him things without proofso how do you know what revealed to messenger ?
whats about the christians who believed the bible is the revelation of God
whats about jews, hindus , all those people who sincearly devoted themselves to God believing their scripture is true ?peacemaker=muslim.. whatever label he/she get from inheritence..
what is the fault of a kid who dnt born in traditional sunni family .. ?
it seems you also think same like sunni/shia who think they are the sole owner of heavens
only they are chosen people..
only they are on the right path...i keep it short in more logical way...
God will judge every nation/individual by the ability of understanding he/she have...That verse is saying it's in our nature to believe and worship God alone. Then it says you can't use the excuse that you just followed what your parents did. Not everyone remembers this for some reason..
All monotheists will go to heaven. You're saying anyone following a man made religion will only be judged on what kind of morals they had. Well every time God talks about heaven it's for those "who believe and do good works". It never says "those who commit shirk and do good works" or "those who deny the existence of God and do good works." 385 And whoever follows other than submission as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.
Majority are astray. 6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
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God will not ask you how many cars you buy
God will not ask you how many houses you own
God will not ask you which race/religion/label/nation you belonghe will ask you what you ve done
were you a troublemaker or peacemaker
were you honest or dishonest
were you truthful or lier
were you beleiver of a system or rejector of the systemDo not assign piety to yourselves or to other people. You will never know who is really pious. This knowledge is only with God (5332)
292 Did the people think that they will be left to say "We believe" without being put to the test?
293 We had tested those before them, so that God would distinguish those who are truthful and so that He would know the liars.1693 Had God so willed, He could have made you all one single community. However, He lets go astray him that wills (to go astray) and guides him that wills (to be guided). And you will be called to account for all that you ever did.
ponder on these verses too..
believing in him mean believe in the system what he make for humanity.. the one who believes in system is indirectly believing in God too
the one who claim to be a believer but reject the system is indirectly rejecting God... example is so called suicide bomber who claim to be a muslim and blast the bodies out of innocent kids with the slogan
"allah hu akbar" do u think he directly go to heavens with 72 virgins hmmlook at this post for more insight
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609393.msg403421#msg403421 -
That verse is saying it's in our nature to believe and worship God alone. Then it says you can't use the excuse that you just followed what your parents did. Not everyone remembers this for some reason..
then why everybody have different gods and demi gods?
and why some of them dnt even have god like agnostic and athiest?and this verse is addressed to all humanity from adam to the last one.. its meanings is something like natural/default state of creation..
like birds follow the system
angels follow the system
everything follow the system willingly or unwillingly..we also once aware about the reality of our creator and our system when he offered us this choice what we accepted.. at that time , because we are ignorant /fools to accept that hard challange ..
now at present stage we did not remember it...
the verse is telling more , on the day of judgement everybody remember it as we know recording will displayed to us from the beginning of our times and the time of our species ..
sister take your time and understand the verses properly according to their context ..