Do you ever feel afraid?
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his attributes and qualites and punishements and nightmares are just guesswoork of human interpretators.. from time to time..
the experiment should be done in which they select different kids from different religion from their birth and trained them without telling the existence of God .. then see how many of them become traditional beleivers...
thats the only method of testing God module or connection of spirit and so on things...
same goes with fear .. its all human pysho
Remember once you said in pm that Quran followers are more at risk of losing faith because we are too involved with God? It is something we all must consider.
there's something else. im afraid one day i might lose faith entirely. im afraid i'll become an ex muslim. thing is, i dont want to be one. all the exmuslims but few ive met feel alot of resentment. i dont want to live a life of resentment. i felt happy when i discovered god and his book alone because it opened this whole new window for me. it was like a breath of fresh air into a new world. i feel like im in that new world right now, following a lamp of light that is slowly but surely guiding me. but im afraid one day that light will go dim, and dim, until it vanishes. and then once its gone, i'll be left in the darkness. the window will be gone, so i can never go back to life i had before, but it will be too dark to find a new window, or a new path. i'l just be lost in the darkness, wandering around, nowhere to go and nothing to guide me.
Even prophet Ibrahim made a wish to Allah that he wants to die as a Muslim. So I guess no one is fully covered. I am sometimes very afraid about that. So far what I have observed is that most of the non sectarian Muslims who left God experienced some sort of bad event. Once out, they head to criticizing the Book. As you have caught, they suddenly start to behave negatively and approach science in the most embarrassing way. It is as if they just graduated from some madrasa. Thinking of that scares the hell out of me. That's what I don't want to be.
Keep posting. You are not annoying anyone. It is always fun to speak about what most humans wouldn't dare to touch.
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Fear I guess must come from some obsession or from a feeling of guilt. One is afraid that one deserves to be punished or to suffer, or whatever. Or that one does not deserve to be happy or to be loved or to longed for.
We must make a point of loving ourselves and of loving everything good that we find around, nd there is a lot of it, even when we feel down down down... We are not machine that get buttons pushed. We have experiences, inner or emotional or philosophical tht we have to process. I think the best way by oneself ot approach those feeling is to try as hard as possible to find out what one really feels, from where we get those feelings, what is it exactly that we feel, how, when, examine deeply ourselves, what is it really that puts us in such a state. Fear is a very good feeling because it is fear many times that keeps us from taking harming actions or to run at the right time from something bad. Fear is not wrong but we must have a valid reason for it. It may be that we are bewitched, and when I say that, I am thinking of a hyperreligious brainwashing.
Sometimes we are right in feeling fear because really there is something cooking, but in those cases the best thing that can happen to kill fear is that what is dreaded happens really, and when you are in the middle of it you are to busy handling it and fear is gone. Fear is always or almost always worse than what one fears.
So do not fear Baitachal, it is a waste of time and an overworking of imagination. Eat lightly take beautiful walks and think of some handsome ideal man. Fantasy has never killed anybody provided one understands that fantsy is fantasy and not reality. Fantasy balances the mind and, big advantage, is free, completely free and has no drawbacks. Fr reality there is always time, in fact too much time, specially if it some bearded sectarian scholar, elektro elektro elektro elektro May be another thing to be feared is that I write some more advice. O0 >D >D
Salaam
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Remember once you said in pm that Quran followers are more at risk of losing faith because we are too involved with God? It is something we all must consider.
oh yeh i do remember..
we are actually too involved with the God of quran.. which is not same god of bible ,hindus and other faiths ..
real change happen when you feel and believe in it blindly..
like i blindly beleived if i dnt do cheat/dishonesty with somebody nothing wrong happen with me..(choice/outcome/destiny)
i changed this belief since i feel from last 32 years i try to do things with honesty and still get cheatits enough time for a perosn like me to experiment things and now i cant risk rest of my life on some experiments which give me harms more than benefits...
just a single thing i asked from him , and he is making it hard for me.. i never asked anything else..
i never cry for toys in my childhood.. (i know my father is not present with me) becoz thats what i see people get toys when their father buys for them..the muslim thinks jesus is weak God becoz he died on cross
but what i think about my God?that like to give a pain?
or he is also not so powerful to listen just one thing i ever asked from him..i m a person who usually never take things as charity from anybody not even my own siblings..
becoz since the day i born i beleived he is the one who provides to alli was even happy if i didnt get anything
but the current situation is pushing me to ask questions from my real self.. i m struggling with it and in the end i feel my God is weak or unfair or he like to give things when the things are not really needed .. (time is what making me confuse)i cant help it... strange thing is this .. the faith of my childhood is on risk...
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oh yeh i do remember..
we are actually too involved with the God of quran.. which is not same god of bible ,hindus and other faiths ..
real change happen when you feel and believe in it blindly..
like i blindly beleived if i dnt do cheat/dishonesty with somebody nothing wrong happen with me..(choice/outcome/destiny)
i changed this belief since i feel from last 32 years i try to do things with honesty and still get cheatits enough time for a perosn like me to experiment things and now i cant risk rest of my life on some experiments which give me harms more than benefits...
just a single thing i asked from him , and he is making it hard for me.. i never asked anything else..
i never cry for toys in my childhood.. (i know my father is not present with me) becoz thats what i see people get toys when their father buys for them..the muslim thinks jesus is weak God becoz he died on cross
but what i think about my God?that like to give a pain?
or he is also not so powerful to listen just one thing i ever asked from him..i m a person who usually never take things as charity from anybody not even my own siblings..
becoz since the day i born i beleived he is the one who provides to alli was even happy if i didnt get anything
but the current situation is pushing me to ask questions from my real self.. i m struggling with it and in the end i feel my God is weak or unfair or he like to give things when the things are not really needed .. (time is what making me confuse)i cant help it... strange thing is this .. the faith of my childhood is on risk...
I think I know the reason and at this time, you aren't alone. Its a tough time for many.
http//www.refinery29.com/2017/04/147733/saturn-retrograde-meaning-effectsWe only have God to save us from this. Push yourself towards him.
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I think I know the reason and at this time, you aren't alone. Its a tough time for many.
http//www.refinery29.com/2017/04/147733/saturn-retrograde-meaning-effectsWe only have God to save us from this. Push yourself towards him.
aww reel its interesting , are u interested in astrology?
i was once engage in palm reading .. i study books and some lines on behalf of that i try to see hands in fun..
when i tell things to people(just a guess) they beleive in it and say aww its correct and true..?honestly i myself know my study is theoratical and there are billions of different design in todays age , but look instead of reading lines i was trying to read the character and lot of people were telling me to start that as a profession u r pretty good in it..
but i know whenever i say anything it was totally a guesswork readings of lines , there is not any truth in it atleast from my inside
same thing happen with me once, a person claimed he got some jinns power and he can tell things , i was surprised
before asking from mehe write the name of my mother and my name in the paper,
the purpose why i visiting him,
the name and model of my phone make which i lost
and some other things.. it was unbeleivable , it was not guess work like lines...and i even know there are 95 % fakes are doing this jinns /balck magic things
but 5% still there that amazes you with your past..interestingly nobody tell exact future , lot of times when somebody predict the future it terribly failed.. but i m still astonish how come they get to know about past everything accurately?
bold part sometimmes the reincarntion of some athhiest comes in me and make me confuse about my unstoppable thinkings and unfair deals of life... but i simply love my creator.. and i will love him untill my last days .. a person like me is stubborn in emotions.. i have emotions attach wth my creator .. i dnt think so i will ever b such a person who disbeleive in him... so many times my thinking lead me ask questions but in the end i feel ,the love of my creator is a satisfaction of my heart...
i only get satisfied when i love him.. if i start thinking negetive that thing shake me from inside out .. that a personal experience.. -
aww reel its interesting , are u interested in astrology?
i was once engage in palm reading .. i study books and some lines on behalf of that i try to see hands in fun..
when i tell things to people(just a guess) they beleive in it and say aww its correct and true..?It is kind of fun to look into what no one likes to talk about. If you go in details of astrology and find patterns they talk of in humans it becomes difficult to call it stupid. I must say it did help me a lot especially in my relationship. I usually don't care about retrogrades. They are always happening. But this saturn one seems to be very rough >(
honestly i myself know my study is theoratical and there are billions of different design in todays age , but look instead of reading lines i was trying to read the character and lot of people were telling me to start that as a profession u r pretty good in it..
but i know whenever i say anything it was totally a guesswork readings of lines , there is not any truth in it atleast from my inside
I did look into palmistry. The topic was incomprehensible to me. So I gave up.
same thing happen with me once, a person claimed he got some jinns power and he can tell things , i was surprised
before asking from mehe write the name of my mother and my name in the paper,
the purpose why i visiting him,
the name and model of my phone make which i lost
and some other things.. it was unbeleivable , it was not guess work like lines...and i even know there are 95 % fakes are doing this jinns /balck magic things
but 5% still there that amazes you with your past..interestingly nobody tell exact future , lot of times when somebody predict the future it terribly failed.. but i m still astonish how come they get to know about past everything accurately?
I did notice some psychics being accurate. I don't exactly think using of "jinn" to know something is a joke or something. There are many mysteries in the world. Humans are capable of doing many things.
bold part sometimmes the reincarntion of some athhiest comes in me and make me confuse about my unstoppable thinkings and unfair deals of life... but i simply love my creator.. and i will love him untill my last days .. a person like me is stubborn in emotions.. i have emotions attach wth my creator .. i dnt think so i will ever b such a person who disbeleive in him... so many times my thinking lead me ask questions but in the end i feel ,the love of my creator is a satisfaction of my heart...
i only get satisfied when i love him.. if i start thinking negetive that thing shake me from inside out .. that a personal experience..Looks like you have the same atheism phobia I talked about earlier. rotfl
I love the creator also, but I also remember that I have to stay in my limit. I feel crossing it would make him throw me into atheism pond which eventually will take away the power I am supposed to have as a human being. Trump has made me a bit negative and that has been a bad thing for me. I guess I should forgive and move on now.
I agree there is an unusual satisfaction and comfort in having faith in the creator. His favors are hard to deny. When my mom passed away it was the thought of him which helped me stay strong everyday. All of us are temporary in this world, but he is constant and therefore, if we do what he instructs us nobody will be able to take him away from us. He is our only friend in dismay and he is rich too ;D P
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Don't worry Imrankwaja!
sun you wipe get what you want if it is what is best for you the infinite creator loves you.
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You are afraid of losing faith in something that tells you about punishment. But if you lose faith in it, then you don't believe what it says anymore, so you don't believe in the punishment in the same way. But if you still fear, then you are still believing what the faith dictates, which means you have NOT lost faith in it.
I disagree with this. Fear is so complex. A lot of agnostics and atheists report fear of punishment in the afterlife after they've rejected faith. Supposedly for them, it can take a long time (months, years) to get rid of the feeling, because it's been drilled into them all their lives. Fear is much more motivating and intense than any other emotion, and that's why it leaves such a lasting impression. Humans naturally want to avoid pain and discomfort, and we'll do whatever it takes to avoid these emotions and situations, resulting in fear. So the presence of fear after proclaimed disbelief doesn't mean they still believe. Unless that's your argument.
We can also fear death. That doesn't mean we stop believing in the notion of death.
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I disagree with this. Fear is so complex. A lot of agnostics and atheists report fear of punishment in the afterlife after they've rejected faith. Supposedly for them, it can take a long time (months, years) to get rid of the feeling, because it's been drilled into them all their lives. Fear is much more motivating and intense than any other emotion, and that's why it leaves such a lasting impression. Humans naturally want to avoid pain and discomfort, and we'll do whatever it takes to avoid these emotions and situations, resulting in fear. So the presence of fear after proclaimed disbelief doesn't mean they still believe. Unless that's your argument.
Bold Blue This means that there are still parts of you that believe, in the subconscious. So, while we logically disbelieve, our subconscious mind is still running programs that were nurtured while believing. Yes, the mind and the brain are indeed very complex, and so also fear.
Also besides having traces of imprints in the mind and brain, it is perhaps even possible that believing/disbelieving can be a gradient, even though it sounds odd and counter-intuitive. This is why I also wonder what 'believe' actually means in the context of the Quran.
The OP said she was afraid of losing faith. I guess that meant that the fear comes from what the current faith (which she is still entertaining/believing in) promises for punishment. Since she is currently believing, she thinks that she will be punished for loss-of-faith once the faith is lost. Whether she THEN, after losing faith, will believe in the punishment, and fear it, is I guess another issue, not so simple, like you pointed out.
We can also fear death. That doesn't mean we stop believing in the notion of death.
Sorry, I didn't quite understand that one.
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Comrox makes sense I mean alot of people LEAVE because this "eternity punishment" sounds too cruel to them.
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If you didn't find the answer you were looking for, then keep looking. Don't stop somewhere where all you are doing is trying to get people's approval. Most importantly, don't be a victim. We are all taking the test, and to be a victim is to fail by default.
We are essentially alive to learn to drive, as conscious minds, to drive our thoughts and our body's capabilities to what we deem to be the right or truth.
But what tells us what is right or wrong ? Our consciousness. All the answers are there, if you look for them.
If you follow your consciousness, you cannot go wrong. And you won't fear anything. You fear being wrong because you put your trust in certain ideas that you don't fully agree with. But your consciousness tells you the truth, and you know it makes perfect sense, and you cannot compromise, and if you do so, you'll feel guilty instead.It does not hand you the answers, but instead lets you look for them, strive for them. To think, beyond wishful thinking, beyond desires, beyond dreams of a happy life, to think like there is nothing more important than figuring out the answers. i.e to think as an independant being, whose ideals are not affected by culture, desires, and social standards.
Now, do you think someone who I described above deserves to go to hell ? Regardless of his/her "religion".
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Comrox makes sense I mean alot of people LEAVE because this "eternity punishment" sounds too cruel to them.
Salam dear brother/sister of mankind you might want to see this article. Hope it would help. http//quransmessage.com/articles/is%20the%20punishment%20of%20hell%20eternal%20FM3.htm
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Comrox makes sense I mean alot of people LEAVE because this "eternity punishment" sounds too cruel to them.
there is nothing eternal or everlasting ... not even hell (the presence of lord alone is everlasting)
when criminals complete their sentence for their wrong doings they will come out of hell prison with a state only known by God..if you see a wordly life a person commits a muder a capital punishement is either hang till death or life sentence to prison..
life sentence does not mean the full life .. its a metaphor because the period is such a long period in which an individual lose his whole life or atleast the best part of his life.. the average age of human let say 60 yearshe commit murder and he sentence to prison for life..
in some countires duration is 14 years
in some countires duration is 35 yearslet say 35 years he spend in jail and he murder somebody at the age of 20
20 +35 = 55nobody is(physically) burning him with fire(azab) ..
he is getting burn from his own feeling gennerated by his mind and heart..
heart is making him burn when he see freedom of other people
mind is making him burn what he did with the chance of life
heart and mind both making him burn about his wrong choice...
when he ll come out he ll be labbel as prisoner/criminal even after the completion of sentencing..thats a azab(punishment) called narr(fire/burning) sun
hell prison will be same as far i think .. specially the idea u can get when an imaginary picture of hell is described in quran that criminlas on that days will be in shackles...
but the physical laws will be obviosly different ..
let say a person like hitler or changees khan who are responsible for millions deaths...their punihment is like this duration.. 6 million x 35years = hitler sentence
so here the law of physics is applied on all of us , so some of the criminals dnt get punished the way it should be.. but in herafter the punishment time, purpose everthing will be on level full of fairness and equality ...
is it really hard to understand that?
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Bold Blue This means that there are still parts of you that believe, in the subconscious. So, while we logically disbelieve, our subconscious mind is still running programs that were nurtured while believing. Yes, the mind and the brain are indeed very complex, and so also fear.
Fear has the highest priority to be 'focused upon' by the brain, governed by part of the brain dubbed "reptillian brain".
It's a "WARNING" system with SURVIVABILITY as objective.
All living being FEAR DEATH as it's a TREAT to his/her/it SURVIVABILITY.
The fear of death is triggered by the brain...Only very few (of human) managed to conquer the fear of death, which serves as evidence that 'there is something' outside of the brain that construct human consciousness... some people call it as 'soul'... the fear of death (or other impulse by the brain) can be managed (and disregard) by the soul.
Also besides having traces of imprints in the mind and brain, it is perhaps even possible that believing/disbelieving can be a gradient, even though it sounds odd and counter-intuitive.
Good and Bad is a gradient and multi-faceted.. there are good and bad in everyone.....
Believing and Disbelieving is an absolute.. born from the primitive human mentality of "either with us or against us"..This is why I also wonder what 'believe' actually means in the context of the Quran.
Believe = You are with US and obeying US and never questioning US.
Where US here is an authorative political figure (Caliph, Leader, King, Prophet etc..)
Samina wa atona, we hear and we obey is mandated / commanded in 2285.
Which prove that the book is not written by God but merely mortal / human trying to get some political power from the masses (common motives), because if the true God 'command' something then EVERYTHING will definitely obey and NOTHING can disobey.Since she is currently believing, she thinks that she will be punished for loss-of-faith once the faith is lost. Whether she THEN, after losing faith, will believe in the punishment, and fear it, is I guess another issue, not so simple, like you pointed out.
Yup, FEAR is the human emotion commonly manipulated by political figure throughout the ages.
FEAR shall override conscience... I repeat FEAR shall override conscience and common sense..Example
- For somebody living in 1930s germany, loss of faith in the Fuhrer and Nazi party shall be punishable by death.
- For somebody living in today's north korea, loss of faith in the "Great Leader" shall be punishable by death.
- For somebody living in Ancient Egypt, loss of faith in the Pharaoh, the holy book of the dead, any of the Gods, it's temple and priest shall be punishable by death and shall be tortured by the Gods after death for all eternity.
- For somebody living in Medieval Europe, loss of faith in the bible, (Catholic) Church, it's holiness or it priest shall be punishable by horrible death and shall be tortured by the Devil after death for all eternity.
- For somebody living in Islam influenced society, loss of faith in.......... well just fill the blank yourselves, it follow the above pattern as the objective is the same.
Summary
It takes a great courage to conquer FEAR instilled by society / culture / religion / tradition and put conscience and common sense back to it's respectful place. Most people will not be able to do it, a study said nearly 99.5% will succumbed to fear and disregarding his/her own conscience and common sense."Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our own minds!"
-- Bob Marley, Redemption SongSalam / Peace
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I disagree with this. Fear is so complex. A lot of agnostics and atheists report fear of punishment in the afterlife after they've rejected faith. Supposedly for them, it can take a long time (months, years) to get rid of the feeling, because it's been drilled into them all their lives. Fear is much more motivating and intense than any other emotion, and that's why it leaves such a lasting impression. Humans naturally want to avoid pain and discomfort, and we'll do whatever it takes to avoid these emotions and situations, resulting in fear. So the presence of fear after proclaimed disbelief doesn't mean they still believe. Unless that's your argument.
We can also fear death. That doesn't mean we stop believing in the notion of death.
I would say this can happen to anyone starting from the scratch. The fear is natural.
Some of us felt guilty for leaving those wide range of rituals done in sects. I remember being fearful of facing the truth about hadiths. I thought whether I was the one misunderstanding them. It made me feel guilty and worried. This site came as a blessing, but even then I felt little uneasy about how all my sunni beliefs were getting debunked.
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Samina wa atona, we hear and we obey is mandated / commanded in 2285.
Which prove that the book is not written by God but merely mortal / human trying to get some political power from the masses (common motives), because if the true God 'command' something then EVERYTHING will definitely obey and NOTHING can disobey.exactly..
the true God commands not to kill anybody , still people do it..(sometimes in millions in one go like nagasaki)
true and logical God command you not to rape/invade/steal somebody people are still doing it...the true and helpful God command to help everybody but still people are dying from hunger wars and poverty in remote areas like africa , southasia and lot more...(just because the caretakers loves the money more than God commands)
i wonder how come whole system of this planet is disobeying God (according to your logic)
so according to current situation
if the true God 'command' something then EVERYTHING will definitely obey and NOTHING can disobey.Yup, FEAR is the human emotion commonly manipulated by political figure throughout the ages.
FEAR shall override conscience... I repeat FEAR shall override conscience and common sense..i repeat fear of true God make you peaceful...
if you fear him you will not rob/steal/rape/invade(as we know he is recording us)99.5% people who fear God stay away from jails and prisons..
rest of the 0.5% people who are not the slaves of mind and not the slave of fear of God.. can b found in jails and prisons sometimes in society as a dangerous virus that can kill/rob/rape/invade anybody anytime...
now i repeat not fearing of God shall override conscience and common sense..
i wonder on people when they come on final conclusion regarding a true God
and i also wonder on advance creation(malaika) who also dnt know what God alone knows...
