Ramadan
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I mean every night or certain nights?
Also how do you do it if it is cloudy?
People back then did not have technology to identify the new moon not even taling about new moon during cloudy weather.No you don't need to stay awake through the nights...this is probably some hadith to stay awake.
Regarding the cloud and such, I don't really know. If it's minimum 10 days fasting, then they wouldn't be missing anything - but I can't find the verse for this anymore.
It's not new moon, the month begins with waxing crescent which is usually 1 day after new moon. So this year's Ramadhan begins around 19th December for northern hemisphere.
Also, perhaps they knew during cloudy weather because new moon gives no illumination, so they would know the month begins next day with the waxing crescent which illuminates through the clouds or at least lights it up. I got to try this some time.
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No you don't need to stay awake through the nights...this is probably some hadith to stay awake.
Regarding the cloud and such, I don't really know. If it's minimum 10 days fasting, then they wouldn't be missing anything - but I can't find the verse for this anymore.
It's not new moon, the month begins with waxing crescent which is usually 1 day after new moon. So this year's Ramadhan begins around 19th December for northern hemisphere.
Also, perhaps they knew during cloudy weather because new moon gives no illumination, so they would know the month begins next day with the waxing crescent which illuminates through the clouds or at least lights it up. I got to try this some time.
But doesn't verse 2187-189 imply it is a new moon?
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But doesn't verse 2187-189 imply it is a new moon?
So what about the southern hemisphere?3639
And the moon We have measured it to appear in stages, until it
returns like an old palm sheath.Southern Hemisphere timing is different, I think. It depends on the moon phases and the season. TH'hey have summer when we have winter D
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Salamu Alaykum Farati,
Don't let people get you confused. Ramadan is very clear, 30 days of fasting, dawn to dusk starting on Friday night 5/26 where I live insha'Allah this year of 2017. Fast with all of us! Do not be afraid. Once you fast a number of times you will see why this challenge is so good for all of us. Fasting will decrease the speed of your metabolism, which will allow you to eat less and use what you eat more efficiently throughout the year. This does not even begin to mention the spiritual effects.
I highly recommend you complete Ramadan as stated in the Qur'an
"Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful...Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but Heturned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint." 2185, 2187
Go check out some of my previous posts on Ramadan here, and I have laid out some excellent tips there about foods to eat, drinking water, sleep, etc. Ramadan is a blessed month and I wish you the best in your fasting, however you may interpret it.
Best regards and Salaam,
Clash.
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Salamu Alaykum Farati,
Don't let people get you confused. Ramadan is very clear, 30 days of fasting, dawn to dusk starting on Friday night 5/26 where I live insha'Allah this year of 2017. Fast with all of us! Do not be afraid. Once you fast a number of times you will see why this challenge is so good for all of us. Fasting will decrease the speed of your metabolism, which will allow you to eat less and use what you eat more efficiently throughout the year. This does not even begin to mention the spiritual effects.
I highly recommend you complete Ramadan as stated in the Qur'an
"Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful...Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but Heturned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men that they may learn self-restraint." 2185, 2187
Go check out some of my previous posts on Ramadan here, and I have laid out some excellent tips there about foods to eat, drinking water, sleep, etc. Ramadan is a blessed month and I wish you the best in your fasting, however you may interpret it.
Best regards and Salaam,
Clash.
Salam,
Why do you think Ramadhan begins 26th May?
This is a date set by the sectarians...They believe the 9th lunar month of each year is the month of Ramadhan and this isn't found in Quran. Apart from that, the blessed night (Laylat Qadr) changes in sectarianism because they only follow a lunar calender and not lunar-solar calender. So in their own logic, Jesus was conceived many times in different days because the blessed night is in the month of Ramadhan, and according to sectarians Ramadhan changes a few days each year. According to their logic, Jesus was conceived in winter, in summer, in autumn, in spring. It's "the blessed night" and not "blessed nights".
Makes no sense.Salam
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Salam,
Why do you think Ramadhan begins 26th May?
This is a date set by the sectarians...They believe the 9th lunar month of each year is the month of Ramadhan and this isn't found in Quran. Apart from that, the blessed night (Laylat Qadr) changes in sectarianism because they only follow a lunar calender and not lunar-solar calender. So in their own logic, Jesus was conceived many times in different days because the blessed night is in the month of Ramadhan, and according to sectarians Ramadhan changes a few days each year. According to their logic, Jesus was conceived in winter, in summer, in autumn, in spring. It's "the blessed night" and not "blessed nights".
Makes no sense.Salam
But is it really about identifying the month through a moon? Let's say winter solstice is the night of power. But it jus happens that the crescent moon is after the 25th. Does ot mean that Ramadan starts after night of decree?
Peace
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Ramadan is very clear, 30 days of fasting, dawn to dusk starting on Friday night 5/26 where I live insha'Allah this year of 2017.
30 days is simply impossible.
Because Allah orders
whoever among you witnesses the shahr
to fast it - ...That is, they will first witness the shahr
and only after that they will fast it.This year
May 25 is the day when the moon is dark,
so nobody can witness it on May 25.They will witness it in the evening of May 26.
But...
May 26 has already passed without fasting when they witness the ramadhan crescent in the evening.
Or else, they will fast the shahr before they witness it against Allah's order. -
Peace
2185 shahru/lunar cycle ramadan (heat) the one descends in it the Qur?an guidance to the humankind?
shahru/lunar cycle jumada (parched land) the first from sanatin/year date twosome and twenty (i.e. 22) and written his son hadidu
http//oi67.tinypic.com/nfogsg.jpg
Perf 558 "30 pharmouthi of the indiction year 1" 25 April year 643 shahru jumada the first (30th last day of month)
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases0601.html
New moon (crescent not visible)
April 24 Jumada al-awwal 29; April 25 Jumada al-awwal 30 (Perf 55
May 23 Jumada al-thani 28
June 21 Rajab 28; June 24 Shaban 1; July 7 (first full moon after summer solstice)
July 21 Shaban 28; July 23 Ramadan 1 (the first new month after solstice full moon)
Aug 20 Ramadan 29; Aug 21 Ramadan 30Interesting Ramadan fell mid-summer hottest time 1st new month after solstice full moon.
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Salaam all,
I suggest you all take a look at the other thread on Ramadan where we are discussing this issue with jemby97. https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609528.0
"Salaam again jemby,
I still think we are missing a huge point here everyone. In my humble opinion, shahar does not mean full moon, it means month. The 'hu in falyasum'hu is referring to shahar, the month. Look at the other instances of shahar in the Qur'an, does it seem like it is referring to a full moon? Start here with 584
"But whoever cannot find the means must fast for two consecutive months before they may touch one another. And if he is unable, then the feeding of sixty needy people. This, in order that you affirm your faith in God and His Messenger. These are the ordinances of God. The unbelievers will have a painful punishment." 584
This verse is discussing the atonement for wrongly accusing your wife of being her mother, or worse, and clearly states that you will fast for two months. And if you cannot fast then you are obliged to feed a poor person for each day of the fast, which is why you must then feed 60 poor people.
This seems quite clear to me and I am not sure where the discrepancy lies for everyone. Please let me know."
Go check out the other Ramadan thread, we should try to bring all of these ideas together. If we are to feed 60 people instead of fasting for two months (30 days X 2 months = 60 days of fasting) for this atonement, why would fasting for the one month of Ramadan be any different than 30 days?
It seems odd we would all have that different of an opinion on this issue; however, I am sure God will accept all if our intentions are correct.
Best regards and Salaam,
Kyle
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... shahar does not mean full moon, it means month.
Not always.
In 2185 shahr means the full moon
just like the night of decree in 971.The shahr ramadhan in which the reading was revealed... -
We revealed it on the night of decree -The reading and it are the same thing
which was revealed in only one night.The night of the hot full moon = the night of decree.
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But is it really about identifying the month through a moon? Let's say winter solstice is the night of power. But it jus happens that the crescent moon is after the 25th. Does ot mean that Ramadan starts after night of decree?
Peace
Then it's the previous month O0 , the month before the month that starts 25th.
Though, it's important to also keep a count of months, it's 12 months. Sometimes we get a 13th extra month which we are to ignore. -
?And (it is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages.? .
?And those who disbelieve say Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages.? .
I am sorry I have to disagree with you all about this. Shahar means month, not the full moon; and the Qur'an was revealed in stages, just as the Qur'an states. I do not know where you get this idea that it was revealed all at once, even taking Layltul Al-Qadr in to account. Most believe it was sent to the first heaven (to Jibril) on Layltul Al-Qadr and then revealed over the 23 years of the prophet's life. Sending and revealing being two separate actions.
What do you all think? I know we are leaving the topic of Ramadan a bit, and still no one has addressed my question about verse 584 and the 60 poor people you should feed to makeup for 2 months of fasting. How does that fit in the equation of the meaning of shahar and the number of days it consists of?
Best regards and Salaam,
Clash.
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I do not know where you get this idea that it was revealed all at once, even taking Layltul Al-Qadr in to account.
This has been discussed before.
Aymanright now I think that the most likely scenario is a two-stage revelation. For example, the great reading was descended in two stages. The first stage is iNZAL in one night per year (laylatu al-qadr/shahr ramadan). The second stage is gradual TANZiL to the prophet's heart by the spirit (see 26192-195, 2532). In this case, the spirit did indeed confirm what the prophet already had.
(https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10190.msg49369#msg49369).
What I understand from the relevant ayas is that it was not the whole Quran that was revelead on the hot full moon (the night of decree) but only a reading (a chapter) of it. I may explain more in detail later.
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?And (it is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages.? .
?And those who disbelieve say Why is not the Quran revealed to him all at once? Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages.? .
Peace, yes correct.
Look at Perf 558 shahru Jumada the first which is clear what it meant at the time.
Not clear how implemented i.e. was Ramadan always 1st new month after summer solstice full moon?
What do you all think? I know we are leaving the topic of Ramadan a bit, and still no one has addressed my question about verse 584 and the 60 poor people you should feed to makeup for 2 months of fasting. How does that fit in the equation of the meaning of shahar and the number of days it consists of?
It doesn't always correlate see below feed (10) poor or if no wherewithal (3) days...
10 poor = 3 days
200 poor = 60 days589 not will call you the god in the idle talk in right hands/oaths yours and however will call you in what pledge you the right hands/oaths so reparation its provide sustenance tentet (group of ten) poor from of moderate/middle what thou feeding families yours or clothe them or liberate neck (i.e. slave) so who not find so fast/abstinence trio (i.e. group of three successive) days such reparation right hands/oaths yours when have sworn you and that guard ye of right hands/oaths yours like such shows the god for you signs his that may you thanks giving
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Noon, you will have to forget about the months of the so-called pure lunar year because they have been concokted after the death of our Prophet (pbuh) by postponing the 13th moon ON PAPER to the next iddah, so they are false.
Full
moon ?year
07 July. 632
27 June 633
16 July. 634
05 July. 635
24 June 636
12 July. 637
01 July. 638
21 June 639
08 July. 640
28 June 641
17 July. 642
07 July. 643Each iddah (ة beginning with the moon which I underlined above has 13 moons. If you postpone the 13th moon to the next iddah, you will get the 12-moon/month lunar year. But you can do that only ON PAPER. Your hands can never reach the moons which Allah created in the sky and you can never postpone them.
1--------------2------3--------4--------5--------6--------7---------8-------------9-------10-------11------12------13
27 Jun 633-26 Jul-24 Aug-23 Sep-22 Oct-21 Nov-21 Dec-20 Jan 634-18 Feb-20 Mar-19 Apr-18 May-16 Jun
16 Jul 634?Since the day Allah created the skies and the earth (936) there is no such thing as a moon/lunar month coming 11 days eralier non stop each year.
Each one of the true moons/lunar months is fixed at a particular time of the solar year. For example the full moon which rises after the longest day of the year is fixed between June 21 and July 21.
All those "shahr jumada al-awwal"s, "shahr ramadhan"s etc... of the pure lunar year (falsely called islamic) are false.
The true moons/lunar months which Allah created are IN THE SKY,
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Noon, you will have to forget about the months of the so-called pure lunar year because they have been concokted after the death of our Prophet (pbuh) by postponing the 13th moon ON PAPER to the next iddah, so they are false.
Peace brook,
Yes familiar with full moon stuff agree the ignorant took over made up things nowhere written in Qu'ran. However, early documents like receipt of sheep and other accounts are unbiased and according to Perf 558 if we role forward Ramadan falls mid-summer right after summer solstice full moon. Likewise this account in the year 541 CE ...
Flavius Belisarius, commander of the Byzantine armies, summoned a council of war against Persia. Two Roman officers in command of Syrian garrisons refused to join Belisarius' army to Nisibis. They said that their absence would leave Syria and Phoenicia exposed to the attacks of the Arabs.
Belisarius argued that this would not be a problem because the summer solstice was at hand, when the Arabs devoted two months to the rites of their religion without resorting to arms, so there was no cause for apprehension. -- Invasion of Syria and sack of Antioch by Gibbon
936 indeed count l-shuhri/the lunar cycles near/with the god two dual ten (twelve) shahran/lunar cycle of in book the god day creation the heavens and the land therein quartet (i.e. group) urumun/prohibit such the creed the value so not thou wrong ye of in/concerning them souls yours (yourselves) and fight ye of the idolaters all like/as what fighting you all and know ye of that the god with the righteous
937 only the postponement increase in the disregard misguided in it the ones disregard they of allowing it Aama/year of and prohibiting it Aama/year of to adjust count what prohibit the god so allow they of what prohibit the god beautified for them evil deeds theirs and the god not guided the folk the skeptics
2185 shahru Ramadan the one descends in it the Qur?an guidance to the humankind?
Perf 558 shahru Jumada the first from sanatin/year twosome and twenty (22) and written his son Hadidu
"30 pharmouthi of the indiction year 1" 25 April year 643 shahru Jumada the first (30) or last day of month.
http//astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases0601.html
New moon (crescent not visible)
April 24 Jumada al-awwal 29; April 25 Jumada al-awwal 30 (Perf 55
May 23 Jumada al-thani 28
June 21 Rajab 28; June 24 Shaban 1; July 7 (1st full moon after summer solstice)
July 21 Shaban 28; July 23 Ramadan 1 (1st new month after solstice full moon)
August 20 Ramadan 29; August 21 Ramadan 30Plausible occurs mid-summer or 1st month after full moon summer solstice...
new # full moon year
Jan 6 6 Jan 21 642
Feb 5 7 Feb 20
Mar 6 8 Mar 22
Apr 5 9 Apr 20
May 4 10 May 19
Jun 3 11 Jun 18
Jul 2 12 Jul 17
Aug 1 Ramadan Aug 15
Aug 31 2 Sep 14
Sep 29 3 Oct 13
Oct 29 4 Nov 12
Nov 27 5 Dec 12
Dec 27 6 Jan 10 643
Jan 25 7 Feb 9
Feb 24 8 Mar 11
Mar 25 9 Apr 10
Apr 24 10 May 9
May 23 11 Jun 7
Jun 21 12 Jul 7
Jul 21 Ramadan Aug 5
Aug 20 2 Sep 3
Sep 18 3 Oct 3
Oct 18 4 Nov 1
Nov 17 5 Dec 1
Dec 16 6 Dec 31
Jan 15 7 Jan 29 644
Feb 13 8 Feb 28
Mar 14 9 Mar 29
Apr 12 10 Apr 27
May 11 11 May 27
Jun 10 12 Jun 25
Jul 9 Ramadan Jul 25
Aug 8 2 Aug 23
Sep 6 3 Sep 21
Oct 6 4 Oct 21
Nov 5 5 Nov 19
Dec 5 6 Dec 19
Jan 3 7 Jan 17 645
Feb 2 8 Feb 16
Mar 3 9 Mar 18
Apr 2 10 Apr 16
May 1 11 May 16
May 30 12 Jun 15
Jun 29 no count Jul 14
Jul 28 Ramadan Aug 13
Aug 27 2 Sep 11
Sep 25 3 Oct 11
Oct 25 4 Nov 9
Nov 24 5 Dec 8
Dec 24 6 Jan 7
Jan 22 7 Feb 5 646
Feb 21 8 Mar 7
Mar 22 9 Apr 5
Apr 21 10 May 5
May 20 11 Jun 4
Jun 18 12 Jul 3
Jul 18 Ramadan Aug 2
Aug 16 2 Sep 1
Sep 15 3 Sep 30
Oct 14 4 Oct 30
Nov 13 5 Nov 28
Dec 13 6 Dec 28
Jan 11 7 Jan 26 647
Feb 10 8 Feb 24
Mar 12 9 Mar 26
Apr 10 10 Apr 24
May 10 11 May 24
Jun 8 12 Jun 22
Jul 7 Ramadan Jul 22 -
Ramadan is all about working against your body's needs and instincts.
You will not feed your body anything (food & drink)
You will not provide your body of any kind of pleasure. That also include sleeping all day long and being lazy.
You will not follow your negative self into manifesting either gossip, mockery, anger, jealousy, pride...And this everyday for about 30 days, from dawn until sunset.
From sunset until dawn, you have enough time to rest, and eat and drink. I'd advise drinking small portions of water (and juice) continuously starting from the moment your fast breaks i.e sunset until whenever you are willing to sleep.
You should sleep early because you are physically tired, and because you should probably wake up slightly before dawn to have a final meal and drink. But this one depends on the person, you can make the final preparations slightly before dawn or way before. Best thing to do is to sleep early and wake up early, make your final preparations and start your day.
This by the way, might not perfectly match what quranists believe.
Quite luxurious! Reality is quite different.
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I basically do what Cerberus suggests around the clock, year around.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel