Your stand on alcohol consumption based on Quran

A_Submitter

haha not really tricky

this time the tool of lie is useless for devil
so he make me think of speaking truth and he successful this time by using the tool of truth
poor person lose his life and i will have aleast one virgin in heaven for speaking truth peace

some both tool didnt work for devil and he bring the third tool afraid of threating so i refuse to give a shelter to person due ti fear of my own life risk this tool is tricky actually becoz instead of fearing God we fear from something else
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But what if that somebody running away recently murdered innocent people and he's being hunted...and you lied to the hunters seeking justice? Then there wont be justice D . See its tricky

imrankhawaja

But what if that somebody running away recently murdered innocent people and he's being hunted...and you lied to the hunters seeking justice? Then there wont be justice D . See its tricky P

hahahah its really very tricky
if a person who convert from sunni to quran alone and want shelter then its totally depend on my faith of the time of event

if i m sunni too then i will probably not give him shelter
devil is still successful isnt it?

other way round what if he murdered a serial rapist or serial killer and now he is being hunted by them
voodoo

A_Submitter

hahahah its really very tricky
if a person who convert from sunni to quran alone and want shelter then its totally depend on my faith of the time of event

if i m sunni too then i will probably not give him shelter
devil is still successful isnt it?

other way round what if he murdered a serial rapist or serial killer and now he is being hunted by them
voodoo

Maybe its better to stop both sides and turn to court, but how will one person protect the hunted from a mob until they can go to court? &
Ok, a person kills a serial killer who killed one of his family members, so he sought justice but it was outside court, but now hes hunted by people who accuse him of being a murderer who dont know he killed a serial killer. He runs by you and then mob comes and asks you where he went. While you think of answer, you dont know why hes being hunted, and you dont know if they are seeking justice or if its all misunderstood. You only know they want to kill that guy.
I think the best answer is to say "I dont know". But thats a lie too?

A few problems

The guy didnt go through court and bring evidence. Instead he sought justice himself. He knew that guy was the serialkiller as he witnessed the death of his family member. So only he knows who the serial killer is.
The mob thinks hes a murderer of an innocent person, so they begin hunting him to kill, without the court.
If you said you dont know, it would be a lie, but you prevented that an innocent man is killed for seeking justice the wrong way.
The innocent man can be charged for taking matters into his own hands without turning to court.
Even then, the innocent man must prove the serial killer was a serial killer, otherwise he can face death if serial killers family want justice by death of wrongly accused.

I think this issue happened because he didnt turn to the court, or atleast the people and tell them he is the serial killer.

The point though is, alcohol isnt haram.

imrankhawaja

brother submittter you are making me scared now lol
i dnt want to get involved in any mystery murder
i m changing my parable

coming back to topic what about telling a kid about his drawing in which he write " i love you"
and u tell a truth to him about his bad hand writting confused
if i would be at ur place i will gona kiss that kid and tell him his handwritting is best in world group

thats what i was on about tool itself cannot be bad usage is what makes it good or bad
yes you are correct the list of haram items in quran did not include it due to a reason
author intelligence is far above humans

hawk99

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lie is also a sin ? let say if someone want to kill somebody and i lied to safe his life is it a sin?

I would say which is more important!

hmm

The_Sardar

I would say which is more important!

hmm

Saving innocent lives? That is very righteous to Allah/God (SWT).

hawk99

Saving innocent lives? That is very righteous to Allah/God (SWT).

We agree!

peace

Noon_waalqalami

733

Say, ?My Lord has prohibited only the shameful acts, whether open or secret, and the ithm, and unjust aggression, and that you associate with Allah anything for which He has not sent any authority, and that you attribute to Allah any thing about which you do not have sure knowledge.

2219

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, ?In both there is great ithm, and some benefits for people. And their sin is greater than their benefit.?

So ithm is haram.

Peace

Peace, no a "word" out of context cannot be prohibited; read in context about causing harm and oppression without justification.

733 say merely arrama/prohibit lord mine l-fawisha/the immorality what apparent therein and what unaware wal-ith'ma/and the detriment/harm wal-baghya/and the oppression in other than/without the right/justification and that associate ye of with the god what not descended in it authority of and that thou say ye of about the god what not thou knowing

5332 the ones avoiding greater l-ith'mi/the detriment/harm wal-fawisha/and the immoralities except the small faults indeed lord your extensive the forgiveness ...

imrankhawaja

peace hawk and sardar

i love u both i ll do same its indeed a righteous thing to saving life
indeed saving one life is equal to saving whole human kind
a free group hug on eid from ur brother group

The_Sardar

peace hawk and sardar

i love u both i ll do same its indeed a righteous thing to saving life
indeed saving one life is equal to saving whole human kind
a free group hug on eid from ur brother group

Eid Mubarak my fellow siblings of Mankind

A_Submitter

Eid is a hadith thing...

imrankhawaja

its dosent matter
for me its an event in which i see my family and spend quality time with them and eat delicious home made food play pranks and stuff
let atleast this thing in us lol it will not harm anything at all

A_Submitter

its dosent matter
for me its an event in which i see my family and spend quality time with them and eat delicious home made food play pranks and stuff
let atleast this thing in us lol it will not harm anything at all

Bring alcohol as a prank jk

imrankhawaja

Bring alcohol as a prank jk

yes i ll do it when i have no more wish to live further lol

Novice

Peace, no a "word" out of context cannot be prohibited; read in context about causing harm and oppression without justification.

733 say merely arrama/prohibit lord mine l-fawisha/the immorality what apparent therein and what unaware wal-ith'ma/and the detriment/harm wal-baghya/and the oppression in other than/without the right/justification and that associate ye of with the god what not descended in it authority of and that thou say ye of about the god what not thou knowing

5332 the ones avoiding greater l-ith'mi/the detriment/harm wal-fawisha/and the immoralities except the small faults indeed lord your extensive the forgiveness ...

Salaam

Are you saying both al-ithm and al-baghia are connected to Al-Haq? I see them two seperate words. I read it as Al-ithm is haram and Al-baghia without Al-haq is haram.

Abdul-Hadi

Greetings and Peace, all group

booze= bad, bad for liver, bad for kidneys, bad for heart yes

peace

Drinking wine in moderation (not to excess) has actually been shown to be good for the heart.

https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3023893/

In excess it is definitely not good for the health.

ALLAH knows best.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

Noon_waalqalami

Are you saying both al-ithm and al-baghia are connected to Al-Haq? I see them two seperate words. I read it as Al-ithm is haram and Al-baghia without Al-haq is haram.

Peace,

To say "arrama/prohibit l-ith'ma/the detriment" is meaningless.
Read in context about causing detriment and tyranny on others.

733 say merely arrama/prohibit lord mine the immorality what apparent therein and what unaware wal-ith'ma/and the detriment and the oppression/tyranny in other than/without the right/justification and that associate ye of with the god what not descended in it authority of and that thou say ye of about the god what not thou knowing

hawk99

Greetings and Peace, all group

Drinking wine in moderation (not to excess) has actually been shown to be good for the heart.

https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3023893/

In excess it is definitely not good for the health.

ALLAH knows best.

peace

~Abdul-Hadi

I agree, individuals vary, but as a whole society there will be many
who are not moderate. There are moderate drug users but there
are drug addicts, there are moderate gamblers then there are those
who are addicted to gambling as well, we must consider what
is best for society as a whole.

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huruf

I agree, individuals vary, but as a whole society there will be many
who are not moderate. There are moderate drug users but there
are drug addicts, there are moderate gamblers then there are those
who are addicted to gambling as well, we must consider what
is best for society as a whole.

handshake

Exactly. Drinking is not an individual evil but a social evil, therefore it is beyond the scope of individual behaviour. Like one may like to ski and accidnets occur many times skiing, but that is not likely ever to become a social evil, therefore it is up to the person or at the most his or her dependants, not of the whole of society.

On the other hand, counting one's perpetual moderation may be counting too much on something that is not in our hands. Many people who have been moderate drinkers stop being moderate drinkers when diffiulties confront them and then very easily slip into alcoholism. We see that all the time.
Moderation is nice, it is part of a picture where we drink for pleasure, but when people are in emotional, economical or any other turmoil, one does not even notice that one is not drinking for pleasure any more but to escape the situation where one is. Or in the extreme, people who were well off and become homeless, they may merely drink to warm themselves up in cold weather.

Alcohol is dangerous, precisely because it can be so plesurable. That is a very big edge it has as against other drugs, where you seek the effect but the consumption of which is not enticing, but alcohol is pleasurable. And, as mentionned, there is not such a thing as perpetual moderation. All one can say is that for the moment one is moderate, but there is no gurantee whatsoever that it will always be so. And, like other drugs, there are people who are more prone to become alcoholics or drug users than others. Those people can benefit enormously of an environment where alcohol and other drugs are not common currency.

I guess that people who drink for pleasure either they do it in a culture where to stop drinking because that way you may help others or yourself in the future is simply unconceived or never seriously entertained because it is never weighed, or are people who think that if it is a pleasure why should I rennounce it if I do not do harm to anybody. In the first case, those societies where this is so pay the price, a very heavy one. In the second case, a society where many people turn to alcohol with moderation because it is so nice, the are paving the way to become a society of the first mentionned and also playing with fire, because with alcohol moderation may be only as long as one is not confronted with real afflicting conditions.

The attractiveness of alcohol induces many unhappy miscalculations.

Salaam

OnlyOneGod

Saving innocent lives? That is very righteous to Allah/God (SWT).

How do you know that the life you are saving is innocent?