interesting question if somebody can understand ...
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Your previous posts say your love is unconditional. No reward or punishment.
if you read the full post you will also get to know , its from the perception of 12 years old mind ... and its just a sharing of one of my situation when i first experience something ...
and all was not for getting the results or rewards... it was actually a trust .. this word always come along with love...
when some body say do you trust me?
...that kid mind was trusting that higher being can make difficult thing happen easy if he wills to...
example
i study and i get passed... deed then reward
40 students in class get study they get pass deed then reward
3 students get standing position which always subject to them as we know we have not a level right now to achieve that much reward how hard we try to perfect our deed...in that situation .. when u ask something and you are in a situation that links you with something you must get it .. and there is no way that you can get it.. then brains stops work and dreamz ... and wish ...
how you will feel if somebody challange you . and say you cannot do this ?
but you know there is a being who can make it possible... you can say that was the first experiment of closing to God...but i already get passed so i already rewarded ...
but when i get title position its mean the being is trustable who listens and understand what i need ...for me its not about the title position what impress me at that time was how powerful that being is who is a real king of this system and that feeling attracts me towards God... like a confident trustable love....
a supreme being who you can rely on without any doubt you can trust him without any doubt
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Hi gentles, Salaamun alaikum,
Let me in.
As per my understanding everything belongs to Allah but our rewards from Allah.
Whatever given to us by Allah i.e.,good reward or specially punishment. We are the absolute owner of that.w salam brother khan,
hope things are ok with you..brother everything belongs to God , when there was nothing it was the presence of God..
our topic here is what really belong to us what we claim as our property..
the rewards and punishment are generated by God , so God is the owner/controller of these things..
love of God is generated by your emotions
and you are the absolute owner of your emotions..no body really understand it ..
for reward you do a righteous thing isnt it?
for punishment you did a wrong thing action =reaction, LHS=RHSthe love is a bargaining chip
loving a creator is something on next level..
deeds you done by freewill ( you ll get your results of using that freewill)
love happen spontaneously/automatically thats a slight difference in it.. (what we ll get from it, take a stop here and ponder what a wonderful thing is this)... -
w salam brother khan,
hope things are ok with you..Salaamun,
I am great bro, alhamduliAllah. And hope the same to you.no body really understand it ..
Neither me
What I was saying is when we do wrong, Allah decides and generate a punishment for us and give it to us as a gift.
That gift belong solely to us. No one can share it nor you can give it to anyone. That is your sole property. You are the absolute owner of it. Hope you get what I am saying. -
Salaamun,
I am great bro, alhamduliAllah. And hope the same to you.yes alhamdulliah everything is fine ,
Neither me (
What I was saying is when we do wrong, Allah decides and generate a punishment for us and give it to us as a gift.
That gift belong solely to us. No one can share it nor you can give it to anyone. That is your sole property. You are the absolute owner of it. Hope you get what I am saying.common brother.. your post is a piece of intelligence .. you ll understand after reading my wordings perhaps..
let say we all know when we do something wrong , punishment of that action is confirm as per God laws..( i agree fully with you on this)
a person like me and you and lot of other believers accidently/mistakenly do wrong with ourselves
i myself remember i wrong myself more than one times..
in that case i need to b worried.. or no?
but if i have a love of God , a true love then my God replace it with good.. as a bargaining chip hail
example moses killed a person accidently
he was the lover of God so God forgive him..next question arise , what will happen to the person who get killed by moses , he will ask from God..
then God will make him remember the spirit/urself belong to me at first place i m gona replace your life with another life matter sorted...same with us is it possible that our shortcomings God will replace with the love what we have for our creator..?
human being = err so due to that shortcoming i still dnt want a punishment or wrath of God. it makes me worried
basically i m asking what is the worth of unconditional love to God.. (we have no idea)
about our deeds we have a slight idea of punishments and rewards.. -
Salaamun,
I am great bro, alhamduliAllah. And hope the same to you.Neither me (
What I was saying is when we do wrong, Allah decides and generate a punishment for us and give it to us as a gift.
That gift belong solely to us. No one can share it nor you can give it to anyone. That is your sole property. You are the absolute owner of it. Hope you get what I am saying.Salam mmkhan,
The way I see this is - if I give something to a person - that thing now belongs to that person. But is was mine - and out of my goodness (or selfishness for a payment) I have it to the other person.
My understanding is that we are tested by God - therefore God has given us a possibility of passing or failing that test - to various degrees - now, only we are the person who decides that test - so the ability to decide the test is from us - maybe one could argue that that ability was given to us in our existence by God too.
But at the end of the day there are really no absolute truths unless validated by God - these are merely word plays and discussions of ego or curiosity.
Just an opinion.
Salam
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Allah is all good, I think it is the evil of man because the responsibility of such actions fall on the man.
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Yes, there is one thing God did not create.....
......Death.....
That is the absence of life, and God is life.
God created Adam and Eve to live forever, not to die.
But they wanted to be like God and listened to Satan and brought Death over them self, as well as over all their descendants.This is the one thing that can not appear in front of God.
Death....That's why God in the Old Testament asked to have blood sacrifice to hide the death we have in our bodies. If we appear in front of God in his glory, we will simply burn out!
We are walking around with no less than 5 Kg, of dead cells in our skins only, dont even try to determine how many dead cells our whole body contains.
God can not look upon us without us being disintegrated.
There must be blood over us to cover the dead body we live in to prevent God looking upon us to protect us being destroyed.
This is why Jesus died, and His blood covers our sinful bodies to allow us all to be in the presence of God.Greetings
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Yes, there is one thing God did not create.....
......Death.....
That is the absence of life, and God is life.
God created Adam and Eve to live forever, not to die.
But they wanted to be like God and listened to Satan and brought Death over them self, as well as over all their descendants.This is the one thing that can not appear in front of God.
Death....That's why God in the Old Testament asked to have blood sacrifice to hide the death we have in our bodies. If we appear in front of God in his glory, we will simply burn out!
We are walking around with no less than 5 Kg, of dead cells in our skins only, dont even try to determine how many dead cells our whole body contains.
God can not look upon us without us being disintegrated.
There must be blood over us to cover the dead body we live in to prevent God looking upon us to protect us being destroyed.
This is why Jesus died, and His blood covers our sinful bodies to allow us all to be in the presence of God.Greetings
Kindly read this link before you embarrass yourself further
https//outreachjudaism.org/outreach-judaism-responds-to-jews-for-jesus/
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I read your link and found nothing that might embarrass me at all!
Why would you think a Jewish writing would do something like that.
Was Jesus not a Jew?
Was not all the first Christians Jews?
Do you know that it was not until 150 years after Jesus' Crucifixion that the Jews rejected Jesus as a Jewish sect?Lastly, why do you as a Muslim go and quote a Jewish writing?
Perhaps your Quran dont give the answers?And, I placed a statement that God did not create death!
Do you disagree?
Did Allah create death?Well, then you are in trouble, because the Bible say Satan brought death over mankind!
Checkmate!
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Well, then you are in trouble, because the Bible say Satan brought death over mankind!
And who created Satan? And WHO is Satan, according to the Bible? Is he Satan from Isaiah 1412 or something else? And what is the mornign star (Lucifer)? Unless you fully understand the books which you claim are sacred to you (in which I highly doubt) I suggest you stop being annoying.
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Well, Satan is an Angel created by YHWH.
He became arrogant / proud and that lead him to challenge God on God's authority.
Oh, and the name of Satan is Heylel, the Bright star.
In Isiah he is called the Bright star, and rising in the Morning.
The translation is not correct, for there are many stars before the sun rises.
Anyhow.
Then Satan fell and was no more the bright star in the Morning.
In Revelation, Jesus compared to the Morning star, and are now the glorious creator.
Where does the Bible say that Jesus is Satan?Can God not make comparisons?
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Well, Satan is an Angel created by YHWH.
He became arrogant / proud and that lead him to challenge God on God's authority.
Oh, and the name of Satan is Heylel, the Bright star.
In Isiah he is called the Bright star, and rising in the Morning.
The translation is not correct, for there are many stars before the sun rises.
Anyhow.
Then Satan fell and was no more the bright star in the Morning.
In Revelation, Jesus compared to the Morning star, and are now the glorious creator.
Where does the Bible say that Jesus is Satan?Can God not make comparisons?
So Jesus is compared to the Morning star using the same term the alleged Satan is called a morning star? You do realize your explanation is insufficient to say the least, even provocative.
Where does it say that allaged "Satan" is in fact an angel? Other popular interpretation interpet it as a king of Babylon instead.
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This is why Jesus died, and His blood covers our sinful bodies to allow us all to be in the presence of God.
Peace, so you believe "the creator" was born human; prayed to himself; and humans put him to death i.e. overcame their creator hence became more powerful and all this to save people who actually believe this stuff?
What about babies do they go to heaven or purgatory like prior popes suggested or are they auto-saved?
What about those who lived prior like the ancient peoples or people today that never heard of this stuff?
What about my innocent old dog (saw him dream most have soul) had to put him to sleep, what's his faith?
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I read your link and found nothing that might embarrass me at all!
Perhaps it's because you're not a good reader.
Why would you think a Jewish writing would do something like that.
Like what?
Was Jesus not a Jew?
Was not all the first Christians Jews?Of course Jesus was a Jew, i'm not sure about his companion, but for the sake of the argument lets accept that is true, the question still remain, is Jesus and the early Christians have the same view as you today?
Do you know that it was not until 150 years after Jesus' Crucifixion that the Jews rejected Jesus as a Jewish sect?
Citation please!
Lastly, why do you as a Muslim go and quote a Jewish writing?
Truth is the truth regardless who says it, and his writing is proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that animal sacrifice isn't the only method for the atonement according to the Torah.
Perhaps your Quran dont give the answers?
And, I placed a statement that God did not create death!
Do you disagree?
Did Allah create death?Well, then you are in trouble, because the Bible say Satan brought death over mankind!
Checkmate!
God created everything directly or indirectly.
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Peace, so you believe "the creator" was born human; prayed to himself; and humans put him to death i.e. overcame their creator hence became more powerful and all this to save people who actually believe this stuff?
What about babies do they go to heaven or purgatory like prior popes suggested or are they auto-saved?
What about those who lived prior like the ancient peoples or people today that never heard of this stuff?
What about my innocent old dog (saw him dream most have soul) had to put him to sleep, what's his faith?
Noon, yes, I believe the Creator came to earth, took upon Him the human body.
No, He did not pray to himself, but being the Mind (Word) of God, communicated with prayer with His Glorious Body and Holy Spirit in Heaven.
Yes, Humans crucified the Word of God, as he allowed them to do, because Jesus said, he gives His life by his will, no one can take it, but he will give it.
No, Humans never became more powerful than God.
If you think that Jesus' death was somehow an act of people who became more powerful than God, then you are missing the point that God's Word became man, and not the Holy Spirit nor the Father.
They killed the body of the Word, never the word, nor the Father or the Holy ghost.Babies goes straight to heaven.
Purgatory does not exist, it is not in the Bible.
I dont know your dog's faith.
Did he say the shahadah?laugh
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Rom 214 For when pagans not having the Torah do by nature the things contained in the Torah, they not having the Torah are a law unto themselves,
Rom 215 who show the work of the Torah written in their hearts, their conscience witnessing with them, and their thoughts either accusing or even excusing one anotherNoon, the Bible is very clear that not only a certain Church or religion finds salvation with God.
All those people who lived outside of the Torah, will be judged by how they lived.
Their hearts by nature did the things prescribed by God's law.
In other words, our conscience will reveal if our hearts was pure or not.Guess what, in heaven there will be many people who did not know Jesus, Yhwh, Allah, but lived a cleaner life in their paganism than we in our religion.
Great stuff!
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Perhaps it's because you're not a good reader.
I can read 1300 pages a week, and about 300 on end in one day.
Like what?
Like that a Jew will agree to the Trinity, that is silly to even use a Jew to try to prove me wrong.
its like asking a Christian if Muhammad was a prophet. Or a Muslim if Jesus is God.Of course Jesus was a Jew, i'm not sure about his companion, but for the sake of the argument lets accept that is true, the question still remain, is Jesus and the early Christians have the same view as you today?
Jesus never had companions as Muhammad did brother, he had followers in the form of Disciples, and a wider following of 70 disciples.
They were all Jews!
I cant believe you dont know that!Citation please!
OK. I wont go to my historical books, just a quick google might suffice. You see, you were told that Jesus received a revelation from God, the Injil, and the Christians split from the Jews. But that is not true at all, there was never a revelation to Jesus called the Gospel. This is only a Muslim propaganda to explain why the Quran is in contradiction with the Bible! Even Muhammad said the Christians in his day should use the Gospel, stand by it and judge by it. well, what did the Christians in Muhammads' day have?
The new Testament!Robert M. Price asserts the relative separateness of "classic," "Orthodox" Christianity and Javneh-Rabbinic Judaism.
Thus Christianity as we know it and Judaism as we know it never in fact separated from one another in the manner of, say, Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity in the eleventh century. Rather, each is a finally dominant form at the end of its own branch of the tree of religious evolution.
Truth is the truth regardless who says it, and his writing is proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that animal sacrifice isn't the only method for the atonement according to the Torah.
Now, I will ask you to supply me with a Citation please! Where in the Bible do you find that there are other atonement except for animal sacrifice?
Except for the Crucifixion of Christ?God created everything directly or indirectly.
No, God did not create death!
neither sin!
also not sickness, cancer, etc.
These are the things we as humans gained from our ancestors, when they listened to Satan and ate from the fruit they were told not to.
Also, God did not create "Nothing"!
"Nothing" is the absence of God, just as death is the absence of God's living existence.
Cold does not exist, it is the absence of energy.
Darkness does not exist either, it is the absence of light!Dont you know these things?
I learned it all from the Bible!
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Noon, yes, I believe the Creator came to earth, took upon Him the human body.
That is 300+ years after event belief following opinions parroted similar to hearsay/hadith.
http//biblehub.com/lexicon/numbers/23-19.htm
"God el
is not a man, ish
that He should lie, vi?chaz?zev
Nor lo
a son u?ven
of man, a?dam
that He should repent; ve?yit?ne?chamNo, He did not pray to himself, but being the Mind (Word) of God, communicated with prayer with His Glorious Body and Holy Spirit in Heaven.
http//biblehub.com/lexicon/mark/12-29.htm
Jesus isous
answered, apekrith
"The foremost prt
is, 'HEAR, akoue
O ISRAEL! isral
THE LORD kurios
OUR GOD theos
IS ONE eis
LORD; kuriosBabies goes straight to heaven.
What age is cutoff?
I dont know your dog's faith.
638 and not from creature in the land and not bird it fly with wings two its except communities like you not neglect we of in the book from thing furthermore to lord theirs gathered being
Noon, the Bible is very clear that not only a certain Church or religion finds salvation with God.
All those people who lived outside of the Torah, will be judged by how they lived.
Their hearts by nature did the things prescribed by God's law.
In other words, our conscience will reveal if our hearts was pure or not.Guess what, in heaven there will be many people who did not know Jesus, Yhwh, Allah, but lived a cleaner life in their paganism than we in our religion.
Great stuff!
prin name the god the almighty the merciful
21 alif lam meem
22 such the book not doubt in it guidance for the righteous
23 the ones believing in the unseen and keeping the connection and from what provide we of them spending
24 and the ones believing in what descends to you and what descends from before you and in the last/afterlife themselves assured being
25 those on guidance from lord theirs and those themselves the succeedingPeace!
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Nicely done Noon.
Obviously I wont address 5 points on this thread.
Allow me to answer one today, and as I have to leave in a few minutes we can continue with the others during the weekend.
Jesus cited the Shemah.
Deuteronomy 64Hear, O Israel, YAHWEH our Elohim is YAHWEH echad.
and as you most propably dont know, the Shema is an attestation of the Trinity!
Look
Hear oh Israel!
YHWH
our Elohim(PLURAL=eg. Gods)
is YHWH
ONE!Wow!
Why on earth did the Jews not write YHWH Eloa YHWH echad?
They spoke this verse every day, and never changed the fact that YHWH is gods, but one YHWH?Do you perhaps know why the jews never changed this Elohim to Eloha?
This was the reason why the Jews accepted Jesus as God when he said He and the Father are one!Joh 1027 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 1028 And I give eternal life to them, and they shall not perish forever! And not anyone shall snatch them out of My hand.
Joh 1029 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch out of My Father's hand.
Joh 1030 I and the Father are One ?!
Joh 1031 Then again the Jews took up stones, that they might stone Him.You see, this is why the first Christians accepted Jesus as God. He identified Himself as one with the Father, YHWH!
What do you think of the Shema now?
Did you know this before I showed it to you now?