Worship Allah and not the Quran
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Well one of is. If you have faith you have nothing of value, you do not have reasoned truth, any position to argue your corner, no evidence to support your position, so who is ignorant?
I got it Abdun Nur
You show the ssme bigotry against faith as other show for this or that religion, idiology or pet ideas. In fact it looks s if your ramblings against faith are the symptoms of the pet idea fixation.
Salaam
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We seem equal in "bigotry" it seems you are stubborn and have a complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from your own.
But I'm simply clearly exposing faith for what it is, a crutch used by people too lazy to reason to truth, or so indoctrinated in lies they cannot escape the black hole of their own dogmas.
Faith is exactly what I have explained, a simple examination of a dictionary will expose that reality Huruf, anyway hold onto you you baseless faiths, it's no skin off my nose.
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Well one of is. If you have faith you have nothing of value, you do not have reasoned truth, any position to argue your corner, no evidence to support your position, so who is ignorant?
You are ignorant. You are repeatedly ignoring etymological facts concerning the word faith. FAITH IS TRUST OR CONFIDENCE IN SOMETHING AND IT CAN BOTH BE SOMETHING WHICH IS TRUE BUT CAN ALSO BE SOMETHING FALSE.
And I have faith in this and there is evidence to support that position. Please defend yourself with logic.
It allegedly comes from fidere in Latin which means trust.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
having trust or condidence in something does not mean it has any foundation "man of faith", a belief that is not based on proof, is without foundation.
Faith originates from mid-13c., "duty of fulfilling one's trust" it never had a foundation in truth only in blind belief without foundation
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faith and belief for religion
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We seem equal in "bigotry" it seems you are stubborn and have a complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from your own.
But I'm simply clearly exposing faith for what it is, a crutch used by people too lazy to reason to truth, or so indoctrinated in lies they cannot escape the black hole of their own dogmas.
Faith is exactly what I have explained, a simple examination of a dictionary will expose that reality Huruf, anyway hold onto you you baseless faiths, it's no skin off my nose.
Arrogance is what you do that you think you, not I, are the one entitled to know and decide what I think and what I feel.
I do not pretend that I know wht you feel or what you know, whereas you pose as the all knower better than the person itself.
For sure I will hld on to what I find convincing and not what y pontificate upon. I thought with one Pope is enough, but may be I am wrong and we need a few, like yourself.
On ghe other hand, to come up with a dictionnary to discuss a word which is considered of essence int he context of the Qur'an study, figure yourself, if you go by your dictionnary, we would not have anything to write on or stuy or investigate or learn further. May be you hold that your own ideas are the furthest anybody can go. You have, it seems, a lot of faith in that.
Salam and do not get upset, being like anybody else is not painful.
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words have meaning Huruf, you don't like the meaning, you call me a bigot, a bigot means to be stubborn and have a complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion, if I claim to know you through that insult, i merely returned what you stated.
No, not t all. Youhve from the beginning making or t least stting as facts yur assumption of what others, I included, did think and believe, not taking my words about what I said from me but fromyour own ideas of what I, accoding to you should be thinking. So you are not returning anything but yourself. If somenody, I included, does not agree with you, then it is not, according to you, because of what they say but because of what you yourself decree that it is, that is, yousimly do not care what other paople say in order to pass your judgement of those people.
It is not very feasible to carry out any exchange on those terms.
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"On ghe other hand, to come up with a dictionnary to discuss a word which is considered of essence int he context of the Qur'an study, figure yourself, if you go by your dictionnary, we would not have anything to write on or stuy or investigate or learn further. May be you hold that your own ideas are the furthest anybody can go. You have, it seems, a lot of faith in that. "
So why would the Qur'an praise believers and require that people believe at the same time as they are asked to reason, reflect, ponder, etc. etc. if that is the contrary of belief? I repeat, we are speaking in terms of the Qur'an, not in terms of anything else, be you, your dictionnary or whatever.
Salaam
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Whatever you say, good for you, you understand yourself, great.
That notwithstanding that you havent answered even one of the possible questions you sould have thrown some light on however much you parade with cognitive dissonances and other apparel. You just keep repeating your stand point without substantiating it with anything tht is nto a repetion of the same unsubstantiated affirmations. Never mind. As the Arabic saying goes Do not expect from those that only have black ink that they will paint a rainbow.
Salaam
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Abdun Nur's sounds like a parrot.
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Man Of Faith I have known you to be of a good character from our conversations!!! I hope you were not intentional in your last post.
Also do not underestimate parrots brother
One day a man went to an auction. There, he found an exotic parrot. He really wanted this bird, so he got caught up in the bidding. He kept bidding, but kept getting outbid, so he went higher and higher and higher.
Finally, after bidding much more than he had intended, he finally won. The bird was his! As he was paying for the parrot, he said to the auctioneer, "I sure hope this parrot isn't defective. I'd hate to pay this much money only to find out that he can't talk!"
"Of course he can talk," said the auctioneer. "Who do you think kept bidding against you?"GOD bless you.
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I was intentional in my last post, it was an objective observation of Mr. Abdun Nur's repetition of his stance on the word faith without meeting the logical objections to his utterances. It was facts upon facts laid forth to him and the replies is nothing but parroting and telling us how ignorant we are for not accepting his alleged point.
Parroting is descriptive for a person who keeps repeating the same thing, particularly something non-intellectual.
I am neither unkind or kind, just giving my review of Mr. Abdun Nur's contribution in the discussion, who seems to in a deluded fashion feel superior in reasoning while not meeting discussion with something coherent.
Man Of Faith I have known you to be of a good character from our conversations!!! I hope you were not intentional in your last post.
Also do not underestimate parrots brother
One day a man went to an auction. There, he found an exotic parrot. He really wanted this bird, so he got caught up in the bidding. He kept bidding, but kept getting outbid, so he went higher and higher and higher.
Finally, after bidding much more than he had intended, he finally won. The bird was his! As he was paying for the parrot, he said to the auctioneer, "I sure hope this parrot isn't defective. I'd hate to pay this much money only to find out that he can't talk!"
"Of course he can talk," said the auctioneer. "Who do you think kept bidding against you?"GOD bless you.
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Faith comes with some rules and acting within those rules and there involves a stronger one and weaker one.
Orderliness and peace should come with faith if people feel otherwise then there will be anarchy in the end in the form of revolution.One of the things that says the Qur'an, right at the beginning in the second aya og Al Baqara is that its guidance is for those who (amongst other things) believe in the unseen (alghaib).
It is not lack of reason to believe in al-ghaib, but reason itself. If we do know that we do not have command of everything, that we do not know everything, that we do not conceive everything or of everything. All those things are al ghaib. To not believe, to not have faith in the existence of al ghaib is to live and believe in wonderland, where everything is and happens for no reason.
To believe, to have faith is to know, know, know that even if we do not know everything, or know very little, even if we do not have command of everything or of very little, existence still has meaning, living is meaninful and we are meaningful.
Salaam
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The first sentence of Ayatul Kursi (2255) Clearly says that -
Allahu (Allah) La (not) Ilaha (god) Illa (but) hua (he is) hyul (ever living) qaium (existance).Yet why we translate the kalema tayaba as -
La (there is no) Ilaha (god) Illa (except) Allah (Allah)?! - contradicting 2255I think it should be as -
La (no) Ilaha (god) Illa (but) Allah (Allah). - Its not contradicting 2255