The Qur'an is corrupted in translation and text is alter how can it be trusted?
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Since the proponents of such a theory haven't elaborated upon the details, I can only assume they are referring to, for example, the differences in Hafs and Warsh versions of Quran as discussed here for example https//www.free-minds.org/which-quran
And the so-called variant readings as discussed in TRaditional Islamic history.
The biggest weakness in the above article and subsequent claims is that most of the differences do not alter the message significantly, and that the variances have not been put to the test, i.e. intra-Quran verification. Almost certainly AN and MofF have not conducted such studies.
Oldest available written Quran's do not have following. Which clearly proves Muslim believes of no change in text since prophet's time. Also, Allah and angles as guards of text for eternity.
- Just look and compare neither Surah name/numbers nor Aya numbers are originally in text.
- No irrabs
- Signs of vowels are not what you see today.
I'm more interested in what Quran claims about Quran, rather than what Traditional Muslims believe or claim about Quran, but in any case, your example (1) is irrelevant. Chapter names and verse numbering were added later to ease referencing. It doesn't change the message.
Re 2) I have no idea what you mean by "irrabs".
Re 3) Yes, tashkeel/vocalisation (if that is what you are referring to) is not found in oldest Quran scripts, but that doesn't mean the message has been changed. It is still extractable from the original text, although I am aware of some letter and even word differences, but again, not subjected to any intra-Quran verification to my knowledge. For example, Arabic writings of today, e.g. in newspapers, do not have tashkeel/vocalisation.
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Re 2) I have no idea what you mean by "irrabs".
Re 3) Yes, tashkeel/vocalisation (if that is what you are referring to) is not found in oldest Quran scripts, but that doesn't mean the message has been changed. It is still extractable from the original text, although I am aware of some letter and even word differences, but again, not subjected to any intra-Quran verification to my knowledge. For example, Arabic writings of today, e.g. in newspapers, do not have tashkeel/vocalisation.
Wakas, Irrabs are marking on the last alphabet of a word. This is the Syntax of Quran. Syntax is part of any language that conveys the meanings of words as these relate to each in a given sentence. Some languages use order of word in sentence for determinig relationship of subject and object. Arabic especially Quranic Arabic lacks this quality. Subject of the sentence could be at the end of a sentence. Hence, addition of irrab was a fundamental change to the text.
Furthermore, Morphology/spelling or Surf. No body pays attention to it except following, what Tabari has regurgitated in his translation, a defecto Quran now. Please see following two for comparison. Check from page 53 in Tabari.
https//islaambooks.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the-commentary-on-the-quran-volume-i-tafsir-al-tabari.pdf
Surah 11
One who doesn?t engage in worship derives pleasure from showing the extreme and lasting concern for sufferings or misfortune of others.
Surah 12
Surah 13
Surah 14
The only praise for the possessor?s of all disciplines of knowledge is no engagement in worship,
This is due to the extreme, lasting concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others,
This is the eternal mode of conduct, which is exclusively for one?s self.
Surah 15
You beware of; making us an object of worship also you beware that we are seekers of knowledge.
Surah 16
We guide against fleeing the path which is original, straight, undeviating and unceasing.
Surah 17
Those fleeing the path, if you were to inform them, it would be nothing but the cause of anger; confounded, perplexed and unable to see right course. -
Confusing an Explanation with an Excuse Wakas, that is called the fallacy of rationalization, you seem to admit it's both corrupted in translation and differs from the original, but present excuses, anyway the reality is the original understanding is very hard to unearth and so the guide presently is lost, excusing that does not alter or help that reality, the reality of that loss is people are claiming to be Muslim but do not live or act as a Muslim would, yet take the name. If we look at history, not middle eastern history which is a fiction, but the ruminants of certain historical systems of community we can see Islam based on too simple principles, it was anarchic, no hierarchy and it was free of riba, usury, no sovereigns, no laws, no compulsion, which is why i say those systems of community were the original Islam, until the guide translates into a guide to those systems it will remain lost. Badar's translation does show the concepts in small part as he has only translated a small amount of the Qur'an, this supports my position further.
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The forummay have contents which purport to show something of what you say, but the purporting is not matched by the verification, let alone prove what you say. If that existed, with the antiQur'an aiming worrldwide in fct we would be awash with such proofs. The fact is that I have not yet seen s single one neither in this forum or anywhere else.
If what you refer is to the wellknown and acknowledged extremely few variations Qur'an followers of certain words and signs which do not change at all the meaning of any passge let alone the Qur'an itself, then you may cling to that to uphold the "daring" image of your stance you might try to give, but in fct you know and we all know that it is hot air, nothing else.
Salaam
who uphold daring, huh daring what god can do or go hell call god is love hahahahahahhahahahahahahha
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Yes, it is printed, published, it has ppages and covers and headins and notes sometimes, it has indeed been manipulated. The question is whether anybody would, unlike you, be bothered by such inconsequential and well known and taken into account accessory details.
Don't worry about your imag, even if you do not look s if you were charging against the Qur'an, you still mke your mark.
Yes, just like kids at the fair going around and around... I guess that is what it is for some, some kind of play. But you must acknowledge Good logic that it must be ungratifying to attempt to crash the Qur'an "idol" and find it so uncollaborative. How dare we respect, follow the Qur'an or try to, when there are needy people around who would much rather be themselves the idols and considered followable? You should realise that that kind of treatment is very painful for self-admirers.
I find the situation humorous and think of dogs, who are such unselfish and unassuming teachers. How can they be so self-satisfied with so little vanity or self-admiration. They are a wonder, a beautiful page of the cosmic Qur'an.
One of my dreams is to write a thousands of pages treaty with the teachings of each species for the human kind. I have already thought of bulls (and cows of course), dogs, hens and rats. The latter not the prettiest lesson, but still meaningful. A pity animals cannot write in the forum.
Salaam
are u say me pity anmals cannot write in forum,
i dont understand maybe i see thing if i know u know who am i, hahahahahahaha
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i dont like god, god is fucking fear but allah is powerfull hahahahhahaha
there no god except allah
man i know what is allah i dont bullshit i been bad now i try good man i dont pray or go to black cube it is shrik -
u know better im fucking deaf not good write in forum but if i find out about that then i will put bomb C-4 black cube then say fuck idol
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Humans have made errors in copying the mushafs ,these errors are known , they make no difference to the text as a whole or the meaning of it.
The different versions may have small errors of spellings,but orally, millions of those who recite Qoran are synchronised and the readings are identical. GOD has been overseeing its journey throughout.
GOD has seen to it that every letter,every word ,every sentence and every surah are connected in such a way that we can easily detect these error.Look at the threads that discussed these issues.
Also Qoran is the only book in the human history that has always been transmitted orally and to this day it keeps on being transmitted that way. This is another miracle and phenomenon that cannot be compared to any other scripture or book. This also confirms that errors/changes are minimum.
Yes,there are errors and small variations ,but the overall message and meaning have stayed intact.
I am absolutely amazed at how people doubt , is any human capable of writing such a book? I do not think they can change it even if they wanted to,their knowledge is far inferior to what is there!!!.. At best they may add or take away pieces of it!!!And that will stand out like a sore thumb.
Anyway, the more I read it, the more I have no doubt whatsoever that it cannot be human made. But that is me.
Also Qoran says believe in it or do not believe in it. Your choice.
GOD bless.
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how u know millions of those who recite quran
all history is rewrite by illuminati get it huh
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illuminati made jew and christianand fake muslim in old world order
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u think illuminati fake i will Smile
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good logic are u worship to god? and how u worship hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha wait LOYALTY TO GOD lie i think u loyalty to illuminati
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all my life i dream see future all my fucking life. 1st da vinci code then is hearing voices send me future i dont lie i dont bullshit my friend black know me say u right about black cube pray whatever
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hahah i have deen how i have religious if i dont pray or love fear to god and faith and belief hahahahahahahha sure im bad cos voices made me happen to be bad they is smart then u think
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why call me pity anmals cannot write in forum from huruf huh
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im easy get angry
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scarface,me no illuminati,me no mafia,me no angry,me no swear,me happy.
Oh and me good logic.
GOD bless you.
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before i hearing voices i alway nice to my freind now im fuck up to allah coz voices put my brain like black magic
what the fuck i kew all People hide from me dat why im piss off
