The Qur'an is corrupted in translation and text is alter how can it be trusted?
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People of all classes, even the most educated ones, out of religious belief, took for granted everything that is narrated in the current Bible, and every new fact that came to them they placed it so that it came in agreement with the current bible. All kinds of words were brought to say that that was the Fir3awn, no matter how disemblable, and that is still being done and stories and facts of history and mixed and arranged so that they fit the "facts" that originated int the bible.
Egyptology by tiself does nto hold up to the "moses" story. The Qur'an does not at all suport the "Moses" story in its egyptian content, more than that, it contradicts it.
Misr in Arabic and in Qur'an is a sttled and civilised, urban, place. In todays Egypt, Cairo is mentionned commonly not as "Al Qahira" which is the wrd that is translated as Cairo, but as Masr, which is the common pronnunciation of the transliterated M-i-s-r
as written, but which itself is not pronnounced s MiSr because of the will known modification of vowels through the consonantes that accompany.Popular an even erudite belief has imposed al on qur'an the Biblical Moses over Musa.
Ancient Egypt abhorred o such ungodly thing as slavery, same asabhorred money, coins or paper, considered it against all divine respect and virtue.The ancient egyptian word on which the biblical menaing of pharaoh has been forced, is unwarranted, unverified and silly. Kings of Egyt were that, kings, not inventions of thousands of year later.
Salaam
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In one source Moses does not kill a man like he does in the Bible or Quran, but is a Commander of the Egyptian army and fights against Nubia.
Even his Ten Directives, quite famous, read quite differently because its translation is pretty weak. E.g. the line which allegedly says "do not kill" is to say "do not defeat/dominate".
How could he lead the army and fight against Nubia, which contradicts "do not defeat/dominate"?
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How could he lead the army and fight against Nubia, which contradicts "do not defeat/dominate"?
Probably because he did not make his realization first after that. It was after he was expelled or had to flee from Egypt he had his paranormal encounter of supernatural origin. Perhaps he saw his error and began to reason differently including part of his prophetic discoveries and due to spreading his new reasoning he got in trouble with people in general in terms of the arguments, and because he did not know what to tell people to convince them he lost favor and became disliked.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Moses is not mentioned in the Qur'an Mr Faith, the claim is a corruption.
Moses IS mentioned in the Quran, Mr. Abdun Nur. There are multiple instances where the word is clearly a reference to a live person.
is the Arabic word for Musa. And Musa is responsible for getting the initial knowledge. It was he who had the so-called Ten Directives come to him, which becomes clearer if one can decipher the text properly.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Moses is a complete fiction Mr Faith, that means not true, never existed, no events connected.
So be your belief.
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so be the evidence
Is there an evidence that you exist? What if your birth certificate is destoryed or is fabricated in the first place? How can people prove you existed years after? But if you leave your work people will consider you a symbol even if some will doubt your existence, they will still talk about you in one way or the other. Ten Commandments isn't fiction.
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You have no evidence which could rule out the probability of a man called Moses. I have written records including Quran and Quran has literary statements Musa is a person.
If you think that l the mentions are forged this is your belief, but this does not necessarily mean you have evidence.
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You been smoking something again Makaveli?
That is not a counter-argument and something which has any relevance to the discussion at hand.
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Whether there was a man called Moses who brought something called the Ten Directives, you still have those accessible and obviously someone upon a time must have presented them. That is actually all which matters to me and we can call him a Messiah without name instead then, if you are so hesitant calling him Moses.
What matters to me are the records of wisdom and knowledge still saved for us today and those you cannot deny me and I can choose to use them whether you like it or not and I can prove to you that they are relevant to a man's mental growth.
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Have you seen the ten commandments, an idiot could have thought of a better list of commandments, one that would have removed all excuse for the horrors of religion, hierarchy, usury, etc., but no we are supposed to believe the god of Moses had no clue and wrote a half assed list?
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Have you seen the ten commandments, an idiot could have thought of a better list of commandments, one that would have removed all excuse for the horrors of religion, hierarchy, usury, etc., but no we are supposed to believe the god of Moses had no clue and wrote a half assed list?
What You say an idiot could have written I think an idiot could not figure out what the Ten instinctive preventors are in a man, which is what the Ten Directives are dealing with, i.e.
Desire of;
- Hierarchy
- Materialism
- Vanity
- Preoccupation
- Self-preservation of kin
- Domination
- Sexuality (promiscuity)
- Greed
- Exaggeration
- Jealousy - get what your neighbor has
That you lack knowledge and think something else about these lines is not my problem. You are as fooled as everyone else and think Moses brought belief in a god. No, he brought people into ascending their minds by making people become truly being. In the traditional Bible the only remnant of his teaching is "I am who I am" because apparently the deluded clergymen could translate the simple "heyeh ashar heyeh" at least. What is meant by that is "to be is to be being" or in religious terms "God is who God is", i.e. if you decide to be God YOU ARE God, but there are some things to observe first and that is the bodily influence and for that you have a remedy in the Ten Directives. Just search for a mental way to NO hierarchy, NO materialism, NO vanity, NO preoccupation, NO self-preservation of kin, NO domination, NO sexuality, NO greed, No exaggeration, NO jealously and you cease being the animal in which you reside and you can build on your true being, the one you truly are.
The list has a definite purpose and is not just a meaningless law. It lists all of the human instinctive wants which the wise person stays away from.
I could call anyone including you who could not figure out what I did an idiot, but I have not because I am clement and watch my arrogance.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Have you seen the ten commandments, an idiot could have thought of a better list of commandments, one that would have removed all excuse for the horrors of religion, hierarchy, usury, etc., but no we are supposed to believe the god of Moses had no clue and wrote a half assed list?
Moses did not invent belief in God, belief in God (my hypothesis) is natural to our existence, god and gods are mentioned in the earliest preserved writings, including the Epic of Gilgamesh. You are obviously mad at the whole world, the servant of despise.
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Well the ten commandments of the bible are written for an idiot and by an idiot, you changing them out of embarrassment is another issue, clearly Christians enjoy hierarchy, materialism, domination, and greed, and they have done throughout their history, so although you claim the commandments are, your list, the ones in their bible are the issue and they are not your list.
Moses never existed, none of the bullshit of the bible has any relevance, it is very, very unlikely any of it is true historically, it gives no guidance in forming anarchic community, removing usury, removing sovereigns and laws, no truth of any worth, on the other hand, it has been the most blood thirsty religion in history, insane numbers of souls have suffered poverty, torture, death, and a life time of suffering through the application of that book.
If Moses and Moses's god actually did exist he would have been better off burning Moses not the bush, and never allowing the bible to be writtten.
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If one would not trust written sources as evidence whatsoever and only if they saw the person in question, you cannot even prove to me your own dead great grandmother and I could just say you have no evidence she ever existed because all you have are written sources saying she did live. Obviously one must always have a great grandmother, but who it is, is only on paper, so I can say you have no evidence she existed, your relatives have only made that story up.
This is something called paranoia and eagerness to deny. You can deny just about anything because it does not suit you and you do not understand who the person was.
Either you deny it as false or you discover that someone lied about the person in question which made you doubt its existence. Logically, I would also deny the traditional Moses if I had not found more information on him than meets the eye. I would be intelligent enough however to not claim I can prove that he never existed, but I can doubt it and doubt his status as a wise and knowledgeable person.
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In the ancient world their are many physical examples of evidence, human and animal bodies can be evidence, and they can be examined to discover diet, cause of death sometimes, dress, markings, etc. the remains of settlements are physical evidence, they can show how people lived, what they used as tools, ancient monuments can have carvings, reliefs, statues, these can show many things, physical objects can show the technical level of the community, there are many ways to discover things besides a written one.
I am not paranoid, I do know the horrors of the Christian religion historically and I know the origin of the bible, I realise you 'must' find such horrors acceptable being a support of that doctrine.
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Well the ten commandments of the bible are written for an idiot and by an idiot, you changing them out of embarrassment is another issue, clearly Christians enjoy hierarchy, materialism, domination, and greed, and they have done throughout their history, so although you claim the commandments are, your list, the ones in their bible are the issue and they are not your list.
Moses never existed, none of the bullshit of the bible has any relevance, it is very, very unlikely any of it is true historically, it gives no guidance in forming anarchic community, removing usury, removing sovereigns and laws, no truth of any worth, on the other hand, it has been the most blood thirsty religion in history, insane numbers of souls have suffered poverty, torture, death, and a life time of suffering through the application of that book.
If Moses and Moses's god actually did exist he would have been better off burning Moses not the bush, and never allowing the bible to be writtten.
I have no embarrassment for anything, but I am a person who seeks for the true accounts of things. If I am making things up correcting the meaning of each commandment then it is strange they very well coincidence with a human's instinctive desires, and that mere fact makes them more valid than anything and you can just say I came up with them and have a wise guidance for people.
Jesus according to the Gospels is a person being a prime example of a person living by the Ten Directives as he was a kind of model for that.
If you say Moses does not exist this is your belief as you can prove nothing to anyone that he did not exist. This is your word. However, Quran does speak of an actual person named Musa and who holds on to Al-ketab.
Just because a man is portrayed a certain way by a lot of people does not mean this is his proper reputation and he could have been much different from the blackmailing tales about him.
And I thought this was a Quranic forum so why are you so focused on the Bible here and now? Any intelligent person here understands something is wrong with the Bible. Some think it is just invented stories while some think like me that it has been corrupted in interpretation. My extensive research shows it is the latter.