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    The_Celt
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    In my interpretation of 3359 there is no requirement for believing women to wear a hijab but there is to dress modestly. HOWEVER, I have no problem with women who choose to wear a hijab. As far as I believe, women should be allowed to interpret that verse how they see fit and remember that what is considered "modest" differs from culture to culture.

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      Peace all,

      I still maintain my belief that the head covering spoken about in Qur'an is something that was/is cultural, and not anything that is religiously prescribed in any way (although one can choose to wear it, of course).

      In the ancient world, veiling was a sign of a free and respectable woman

      To be able to distinguish between their free honorable women from the slaves or concubines, laws were issued. Respectable women were forced to wear the veil while those who were considered unrespectable were forced to go with their heads uncovered. Thus veil became an exclusive symbol of respect; a privilege that slaves, prostitutes and concubines were denied off.

      source https//alexandrakinias.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/history-of-the-veil-part-one-veil-in-the-ancient-world/

      In pre-Islamic Arabia, covering oneself well was necessary for protection from the elements

      Costumes always reflected the environmental needs. In the harsh deserts of Arabia, the Arab nomads lived in tents or huts with no doors and with roofs made out of palm trees. They were exposed to all kinds of severe weather conditions from the burning sun in the summers, to sand storms, cold, and often rain in the winters. Before proper houses were built, people sought the shelter of their own clothes to protect them. Due to that, both men and women often covered their heads and wore long garments. Covering the heads was neither a religious nor social obligation.

      The author then goes on to explain how this tradition of covering oneself fully in harsh environments continues today

      Because of such severe weather conditions, it doesnt come as a surprise that even today, men of the nomadic Tuareg tribes in North African Sahara, and not the women, are veiled. It is a firmly established tradition that men begin wearing the veil that covers the entire head and face with the exception of the eyes, at the age of twenty-five. And once they reach this age, the veil is never removed even in front of their family members.

      sources https//alexandrakinias.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/history-of-veil-part-2-veil-in-pre-islamic-arabia/

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        Peace all,

        I still maintain my belief that the head covering spoken about in Qur'an is something that was cultural, and not anything that is religiously prescribed in any way.

        In the ancient world, veiling was a sign of a free and respectable woman

        source https//alexandrakinias.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/history-of-the-veil-part-one-veil-in-the-ancient-world/

        In pre-Islamic Arabia, covering oneself well was necessary for protection from the elements

        The author then goes on to explain how this tradition of covering oneself fully in harsh environments continues today

        sources https//alexandrakinias.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/history-of-veil-part-2-veil-in-pre-islamic-arabia/

        peace

        what head covering in the quran? where is thay?

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          Neptin
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          Seriously? Are we going over this cut and dried issue again? The Quran issue no command for women to conceal their hair. I 'd recommend the link below for anyone who is still doubtful of that. I think I have talked this subject enough for a life time.

          https//flamesoftruth.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/face-veil-why-the-ban/

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            Comrox
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            peace

            what head covering in the quran? where is thay?

            My mistake; if the head covering is mentioned in Qur'an, which according to some it's not.

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              http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                Amra94
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                I think women with long pretty hair should wear hijab especially if theyre getting compliments from men..

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                  I think women with long pretty hair should wear hijab especially if theyre getting compliments from men..

                  How can different rules apply to different women based on such a subjective judgment of how attractive the hair is?

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                    How can different rules apply to different women based on such a subjective judgment of how attractive the hair is?

                    Im just saying if you know you know you have nice hair..get compliments often, unwanted attention etc you should do what you can to prevent fitnah.

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                      Im just saying if you know you know you have nice hair..get compliments often, unwanted attention etc you should do what you can to prevent fitnah.

                      Some men also claim to get turned on by women's face, women's voice, or even women's mere existence in the same room or at the mosque. We can't use men's subjective desires to prevent women from living normally and freely.

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                        Some men also claim to get turned on by women's face, women's voice, or even women's mere existence in the same room or at the mosque. We can't use men's subjective desires to prevent women from living normally and freely.

                        You can live freely with a head scarf tho. Theres nothing you cant do with hijab.

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                          huruf
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                          What is wrong with having nice hair or a pleasant face or a pleasant presence, we should thank God for all beauty. There is nothing wrong with beauty. Quite the opposite. Beauty is a blessing, why should we run away from it? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?a

                          Why some people seem to confuse beauty with vice?

                          It may look not very feminist but I like beauty contests, or I used to like them before they started making the women walk like broken horses and not like human beings. I do not know whether it has got better or gone back to human walking now, but I enjoy seeing beauty, feminine or masculine, there is nothing lustful or undue about it and I see no acceptable reason to hide it as it it was something dangerous or bad.

                          Personally I am a bit sorry for beautiful or "attractive" women because unfortunately there are some idiots out there who act like flies and it must be hard for the women to get rid of indeed unwanted attention or presumptions, but it is up to the flies to learn to behave like human beings and not up to beauty to ask for forgiveness for being beautiful or to hide themselves under a stone.

                          Salaam

                          Salaam

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                            aqua
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                            You can live freely with a head scarf tho. Theres nothing you cant do with hijab.

                            You might be able to do things with headscarf, but it won't always be freely. Wearing a cloth over the head and ears is unnatural because the hair has functions of insulation and protection (from UV) and the ears should not be covered for obvious sensory reasons.

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                              Cerberus
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                              It's good to be considerate but there is a big difference between being conscious of your body and your surrounding, and acting like a lost sheep in a forest full of hungry wolves. the latter requires you to hide while the former, to cloth.

                              Clothes, in my opinion, have a spiritual connotation deep down. To be able to walk like you are something more than what your body naturally present itself to be, a body of a mammal that is walking on two legs. So the question is, what do we present ourselves to be when we hide such a manifest part of us ?

                              Animals are naked, and they have no objection. Humans, in the story of Adam & Eve used to be naked. Until they "ate from the tree" and therefore "gained certain knowledge". They immediately "covered themselves" and were consequently sent to face the test of the earthly life.

                              So from the very beginning we ran away from our nature.

                              So covering your hair and hiding it from the sight of the hungry insatiable wolves or clothing yourself in a manner you consider the most appropriate for who you see yourself to be ?

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                                What is wrong with having nice hair or a pleasant face or a pleasant presence, we should thank God for all beauty. There is nothing wrong with beauty. Quite the opposite. Beauty is a blessing, why should we run away from it? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?a

                                Why some people seem to confuse beauty with vice?

                                It may look not very feminist but I like beauty contests, or I used to like them before they started making the women walk like broken horses and not like human beings. I do not know whether it has got better or gone back to human walking now, but I enjoy seeing beauty, feminine or masculine, there is nothing lustful or undue about it and I see no acceptable reason to hide it as it it was something dangerous or bad.

                                Personally I am a bit sorry for beautiful or "attractive" women because unfortunately there are some idiots out there who act like flies and it must be hard for the women to get rid of indeed unwanted attention or presumptions, but it is up to the flies to learn to behave like human beings and not up to beauty to ask for forgiveness for being beautiful or to hide themselves under a stone.

                                Salaam

                                Salaam

                                Beauty pageants are bad for society. Literally nothing good about them.

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                                  You might be able to do things with headscarf, but it won't always be freely. Wearing a cloth over the head and ears is unnatural because the hair has functions of insulation and protection (from UV) and the ears should not be covered for obvious sensory reasons.

                                  Havent met any hijabis with hearing problems )

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                                    Havent met any hijabis with hearing problems

                                    I spoke to a hijabi colleague recently where I had to repeat myself across a table as she had tightly wrapped headscarf around her ears. She herself said that this was probably the cause.

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                                      I spoke to a hijabi colleague recently where I had to repeat myself across a table as she had tightly wrapped headscarf around her ears. She herself said that this was probably the cause.

                                      Lmao either she doesnt know how to put one on or actually has hearing loss. I never have that problem.

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Indeed the ears are not designed to be covered by a garment.

                                        But I can understand if you cover the head in case of living in an environment where you have to protect openings and skin from foreign agents.

                                        The human being is designed to wear clothing, this is quite obvious. It does not have a natural skin protection (armor) but the skin is sensitive and easily scratched, and without clothing the body cannot maintain a correct temperature if it is not within quite narrow parameters. Suffice to say again, the human being is not designed to not wear clothing and therefore it is also unlikely that the creature is "naturally evolved". No, the species is a biologically engineered primate, made to host the human spirit.

                                        Be well
                                        Qarael Amenuel

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                                          huruf
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                                          It is fairly obvious that with ears covered one do not hear as well as with them uncovered. Whether one hears enough for own requirements it is something else, but certainy for somebody who has not a good ear covering them is not the best.

                                          Salaam

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