The seven ''verses'' in surah 15
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Salam,
Note how in all instances of the expressions referring to ''the people of Lot'' in the quran, this is the only one not using the word ''qawm''. How I see it is that if the usual ''qawm'' was used instead of ''ikhwan''(brothers), the whole miracle would have collapsed. The use of ''ikhwan'' appears intentional and is a way to, like I said, enhance the significance of the miracle by reducing the probability of a human invention. God could use ''qawm'' and still make the surah with 57 qaf, but he instead used ''ikhwan'' for us to ponder upon the greatness of this miracle by using this unique instance to show how it would have been one qaf away if ''qawm'' was used intead !!! This makes the miracle even more stunning than it already is that the two surah have 57 (19x3) qaf each despite surah 42 being 2 times bigger than surah 50.
Try to count yourself the occurrence of it in Surah 50. May be you find it 63, not 57.
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Peace, statistically insignificant with large enough sample set (e.g. ch 14) and there are 7, see Code 29 below.
How come you say it's statistically insignificant, did you look at the qaf letter ratio for surah 50? The closest surah to surah 42 in terms of total letters is actually surah 14, thus their qaf ratio is almost exactly the same because they both have 57 qaf. But surah 50 is much shorter (much less total letters) and still has the same amount of qaf, meaning a very high ratio of the qaf letter, in fact the highest in the whole quran if you exclude short chapters with less than 1000 letters. In fact its qaf ratio is more than twice that of surah 14 and 42 ! This is statistically significant because in order for two surah very different in length to have a similar amount of a letter, let alone the exact same amount, they have to show a very different ratio for this letter and in this case this very high qaf ratio for surah 50 has a large z-score compared to the mean qaf ratio in the whole quran...
Try to count yourself the occurrence of it in Surah 50. May be you find it 63, not 57.
I counted them of course, it is 57, same thing for surah 42...
But without even counting them, there are many websites giving us letter counts for every chapter of the quran in case you didn't know... -
I counted them of course, it is 57, same thing for surah 42...
But without even counting them, there are many websites giving us letter counts for every chapter of the quran in case you didn't know...Many are wrong. As many calculations by RK are wrong.
If you think they are 57 you can write like this
501 2
502 1
504 2
505 how many you count 1 or 2
506 1And then see what is the sum total.
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Many are wrong. As many calculations by RK are wrong.
If you think they are 57 you can write like this
501 2
502 1
504 2
505 how many you count 1 or 2
506 1And then see what is the sum total.
I counted myself, it takes a few minutes. Also, what do you mean if I count 1 or 2 in 505, qaf is a very easy consonant to count...
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I counted myself, it takes a few minutes. Also, what do you mean if I count 1 or 2 in 505, qaf is a very easy consonant to count...
Writing it down will also take few minutes, but that will make your claim verifiable.
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/123.%20Al%20Haqqo%20Hi%20Qaaf%20Qaaf%20fact/4.gif How many Qaaf are in it?
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Peace Mazhar .
You mean like this
Surah 42 how many Q s From verse 1 to verse 53
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1
1
0
1
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
2
0
2
2
2
0
1
2
3
4
1
0
2
1
2
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
3
0
0
0
1
0
3
0
1
2
1
2
0
1
0
Total= 57.
Now you will tell me Al Haq has two Kafs?You never cease to amaze me1
GOD bless you.
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What he is trying to say is that the qaf with ''shadda'' can be counted as 2 instead of one, which is really stupid by the way since qaf is a stop consonant, unlike nasal noun or mim which can be uninterrupted since airflow is not blocked, meaning that no matter how much you stress on it, you cannot stretch its sound instance whereas noun for example can be continued at will (nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...).
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What he is trying to say is that the qaf with ''shadda'' can be counted as 2 instead of one, which is really stupid by the way since qaf is a stop consonant, unlike nasal noun or mim which can be uninterrupted since airflow is not blocked, meaning that no matter how much you
The question here would not be tht but rather whether in other instnces shadda is counted as two letters or one letter. Logically in all instances should be counted the same, either as one letter or as two, but always the same, not some times like one letter a some times like two letters.
Salaam
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How come you say it's statistically insignificant, did you look at the qaf letter ratio for surah 50?
Peace, yes studied topic thoroughly everything is simpleton numerology, no pattern, nothing!
Perhaps now you are implying it is about density etc., what about saad -- show consistency?
ch vrs ratio qaf
65 12 2.33 28
63 11 2.09 23
60 13 2.08 27
61 14 1.36 19
32 30 1.27 38
50 45 1.27 57 501 qaf and the Qur?an
14 52 1.10 57
42 53 1.08 57
47 38 1.00 38
26 227 0.59 133ch vrs ratio saad
103 3 1.67 5
59 24 0.79 19
7 206 0.47 97
41 54 0.35 19
38 88 0.33 29 381 saad and the Qur?an
19 98 0.27 26 -
Peace Mazhar .
You mean like this
Surah 42 how many Q s From verse 1 to verse 53
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1
1
0
1
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
2
0
2
2
2
0
1
2
3
4
1
0
2
1
2
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
3
0
0
0
1
0
3
0
1
2
1
2
0
1
0
Total= 57.
Now you will tell me Al Haq has two Kafs?You never cease to amaze me1
GOD bless you.
Peace.Did I say anything about Sura 42? I asked about chapter 50? Would you like to give similar count?
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What he is trying to say is that the qaf with ''shadda'' can be counted as 2 instead of one, which is really stupid by the way since qaf is a stop consonant, unlike nasal noun or mim which can be uninterrupted since airflow is not blocked, meaning that no matter how much you stress on it, you cannot stretch its sound instance whereas noun for example can be continued at will (nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...).
What has gone wrong to you dear? I just asked you whether you count it 1 or 2, so that I could reconcile with your number game.
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What he is trying to say is that the qaf with ''shadda'' can be counted as 2 instead of one, which is really stupid by the way since qaf is a stop consonant, unlike nasal noun or mim which can be uninterrupted since airflow is not blocked, meaning that no matter how much you stress on it, you cannot stretch its sound instance whereas noun for example can be continued at will (nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...).
Things seem stupid when one does not understand the basics of a language. Every word with shadda has two same consonants, first to be pronounced as syllable c + v + c and the other same consonant is pronounced as second syllable c + v. How many Qaf are listened and recognized by your auditory faculty in the word under consideration?
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The question here would not be tht but rather whether in other instnces shadda is counted as two letters or one letter. Logically in all instances should be counted the same, either as one letter or as two, but always the same, not some times like one letter a some times like two letters.
Salaam
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It refers to the initials and their numerical and mathematical significance.
For examples, see look at these
http//submission.org/verify_updated_count_ALM_ALR.html
http//19.org/blog/19-examples/
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"Shadda" does not count as a letter ,just the same as points do not count as letters.
For example "b" in Arabic has a letter and a point underneath,it counts as one letter.GOD bless.
Peace. -
"Shadda" does not count as a letter ,just the same as points do not count as letters.
For example "b" in Arabic has a letter and a point underneath,it counts as one letter.GOD bless.
Peace.Right,
How many Qaf are in chapter 50? Any list verse-wise as was given about chapter 42?
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Brother Mazhar,I will do that for you,but please double check it.
here are the Qaf in Surah 50 from verses 1 to 45 in that order
2
1
0
2
1
1
1
0
0
1
1
2
0
2
2
3
3
2
1
0
1
1
2
1
0
1
2
3
1
2
1
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
3
0
1
1
0
2
2Total= 57. Same as Surah 42 57 also Total Qaf in both= 114
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
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Brother Mazhar,I will do that for you,but please double check it.
here are the Qaf in Surah 50 from verses 1 to 45 in that order- 2 Progressive
- 1 3
- 0
- 2 5
- 1 6
- 1 7
- 1 8
- 0
- 0
10.1 9 - 1 10
- 2 12
- 0
- 2 14
15 2 16 - 3 19
17 3 22 - 2 24
- 1 25
- 0
- 1 26
- 1 27
- 2 29
- 1 30
- 0
- 1 31
- 2 33
- 3 36
- 1 37
- 2 39
- 1 40
- 0
- 1 41
- 0
- 0
- 3 44
- 2 46
- 3 49 2
- 3 52
- 0
- 1 53
- 1 54
- 0
44, 2 56 - 2 58
After correction 57.
Total= 57. Same as Surah 42 57 also Total Qaf in both= 114
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Ultimately I had to do it myself, Dear.
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Peace Mazhar.
I am glad you have checked my count.
Thank you for confirming the overall total of 57.
My apologies for verse 38 mistake.
Can I ask why you requested such a count?
GOD bless you.
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Brother Mazhar,I will do that for you,but please double check it.
here are the Qaf in Surah 50 from verses 1 to 45 in that order
2
1
0
2
1
1
1
0
0
1
1
2
0
2
2
3
3
2
1
0
1
1
2
1
0
1
2
3
1
2
1
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
3
0
1
1
0
2
2Total= 57. Same as Surah 42 57 also Total Qaf in both= 114
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
Peace.And 57 = 19 x 3
and not just is 114 the number of chapters in the Quran/Readin (Q as in Quran,) but 114 = 19 x 6.
Also, the 50th chapter contains 45 verses. Added the chapter number and verse numbers together, these total 95 (19 x 5). There are 53 verses in the 42nd Sura. These again total 95 (42 + 53).