The seven ''verses'' in surah 15

Noon_waalqalami

How come you say it's statistically insignificant, did you look at the qaf letter ratio for surah 50?

Peace, yes studied topic thoroughly everything is simpleton numerology, no pattern, nothing!

Perhaps now you are implying it is about density etc., what about saad -- show consistency?

ch vrs ratio qaf
65 12 2.33 28
63 11 2.09 23
60 13 2.08 27
61 14 1.36 19
32 30 1.27 38
50 45 1.27 57 501 qaf and the Qur?an
14 52 1.10 57
42 53 1.08 57
47 38 1.00 38
26 227 0.59 133

ch vrs ratio saad
103 3 1.67 5
59 24 0.79 19
7 206 0.47 97
41 54 0.35 19
38 88 0.33 29 381 saad and the Qur?an
19 98 0.27 26

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar .
You mean like this
Surah 42 how many Q s From verse 1 to verse 53
0
1
1
0
1
0
4
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
2
0
2
2
2
0
1
2
3
4
1
0
2
1
2
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
3
0
0
0
1
0
3
0
1
2
1
2
0
1
0
Total= 57.
Now you will tell me Al Haq has two Kafs?You never cease to amaze me1
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Did I say anything about Sura 42? I asked about chapter 50? Would you like to give similar count?

Mazhar

What he is trying to say is that the qaf with ''shadda'' can be counted as 2 instead of one, which is really stupid by the way since qaf is a stop consonant, unlike nasal noun or mim which can be uninterrupted since airflow is not blocked, meaning that no matter how much you stress on it, you cannot stretch its sound instance whereas noun for example can be continued at will (nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...).

What has gone wrong to you dear? I just asked you whether you count it 1 or 2, so that I could reconcile with your number game.

Mazhar

What he is trying to say is that the qaf with ''shadda'' can be counted as 2 instead of one, which is really stupid by the way since qaf is a stop consonant, unlike nasal noun or mim which can be uninterrupted since airflow is not blocked, meaning that no matter how much you stress on it, you cannot stretch its sound instance whereas noun for example can be continued at will (nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...).

Things seem stupid when one does not understand the basics of a language. Every word with shadda has two same consonants, first to be pronounced as syllable c + v + c and the other same consonant is pronounced as second syllable c + v. How many Qaf are listened and recognized by your auditory faculty in the word under consideration?

huruf

The question here would not be tht but rather whether in other instnces shadda is counted as two letters or one letter. Logically in all instances should be counted the same, either as one letter or as two, but always the same, not some times like one letter a some times like two letters.

Salaam

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

It refers to the initials and their numerical and mathematical significance.

For examples, see look at these

http//submission.org/verify_updated_count_ALM_ALR.html

http//19.org/blog/19-examples/

good_logic

"Shadda" does not count as a letter ,just the same as points do not count as letters.
For example "b" in Arabic has a letter and a point underneath,it counts as one letter.

GOD bless.
Peace.

Mazhar

"Shadda" does not count as a letter ,just the same as points do not count as letters.
For example "b" in Arabic has a letter and a point underneath,it counts as one letter.

GOD bless.
Peace.

Right,

How many Qaf are in chapter 50? Any list verse-wise as was given about chapter 42?

good_logic

Brother Mazhar,I will do that for you,but please double check it.
here are the Qaf in Surah 50 from verses 1 to 45 in that order
2
1
0
2
1
1
1
0
0
1
1
2
0
2
2
3
3
2
1
0
1
1
2
1
0
1
2
3
1
2
1
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
3
0
1
1
0
2
2

Total= 57. Same as Surah 42 57 also Total Qaf in both= 114
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Mazhar

Brother Mazhar,I will do that for you,but please double check it.
here are the Qaf in Surah 50 from verses 1 to 45 in that order

2 Progressive
1 3
0
2 5
1 6
1 7
1 8
0
0
10.1 9
1 10
2 12
0
2 14
15 2 16
3 19
17 3 22
2 24
1 25
0
1 26
1 27
2 29
1 30
0
1 31
2 33
3 36
1 37
2 39
1 40
0
1 41
0
0
3 44
2 46
3 49 2
3 52
0
1 53
1 54
0
44, 2 56
2 58

After correction 57.

Total= 57. Same as Surah 42 57 also Total Qaf in both= 114
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Ultimately I had to do it myself, Dear.

good_logic

Peace Mazhar.
I am glad you have checked my count.
Thank you for confirming the overall total of 57.
My apologies for verse 38 mistake.
Can I ask why you requested such a count?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Brother Mazhar,I will do that for you,but please double check it.
here are the Qaf in Surah 50 from verses 1 to 45 in that order
2
1
0
2
1
1
1
0
0
1
1
2
0
2
2
3
3
2
1
0
1
1
2
1
0
1
2
3
1
2
1
0
1
0
0
3
2
3
3
0
1
1
0
2
2

Total= 57. Same as Surah 42 57 also Total Qaf in both= 114
Hope that helps.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

And 57 = 19 x 3

and not just is 114 the number of chapters in the Quran/Readin (Q as in Quran,) but 114 = 19 x 6.

Also, the 50th chapter contains 45 verses. Added the chapter number and verse numbers together, these total 95 (19 x 5). There are 53 verses in the 42nd Sura. These again total 95 (42 + 53).

Noon_waalqalami

Also, the 50th chapter contains 45 verses. Added the chapter number and verse numbers together, these total 95 (19 x 5). There are 53 verses in the 42nd Sura. These again total 95 (42 + 53).

peace, does all your work with initials have that same pattern -- show consistency?

likewise what's wrong with these?

6 + 165 = 171 (19 x 9 )
15 + 99 = 114 (19 x 6 )
21 + 112 = 133 (19 x 7 )
39 + 75 = 114 (19 x 6 )
41 + 54 = 95 (19 x 5 )
42 + 53 = 95 (19 x 5 )
50 + 45 = 95 (19 x 5 )
55 + 78 = 133 (19 x 7 )
56 + 96 = 152 (19 x 8 )
70 + 44 = 114 (19 x 6 )
88 + 26 = 114 (19 x 6 )
107 + 7 = 114 (19 x 6 )

likewise oldest manuscripts didn't count initials as separate verses, that's innovation 200 years later.

https//s1.postimg.org/6km1woma3z/Sana_Qur_an_ch42v49-ch43v13.jpg

likewise the oldest manuscripts chapter 9 included verses 128-129.

https//s1.postimg.org/8fadurobgv/Sana_Qur_an_ch9v128-ch10v7.jpg

https//s1.postimg.org/41xt0d2dmn/Sana_Qur_an_ch9v129-ch10v4.jpg

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar.
I am glad you have checked my count.
Thank you for confirming the overall total of 57.
My apologies for verse 38 mistake.
Can I ask why you requested such a count?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

I want to have data of every consonant arranged in a table by ayah and progressive total for ease of cross check. Also, side by, mention of consonant with shadda, which makes the count slightly different but it helps how many times we pronounce its sound.

If you have it, kindly share.