Those who are overly emotional, disrespectful, and judgmental
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Salaam reel and all,
I appreciate and praise you willingness to bring peace, however, while I completely agree on peace and understanding, I do not think that it should be attained at the cost of pushing the dirt under the carpet.
There are real conflicts. Progressive has stated several things put on many women for which I obviously do not want to start a war, but also I cannot keep silent.
This keeping on about women like throwing on them that they invent that they are raped is no joke.
Here in Spain there is also that male chauvinist campaign, and I do not say male chauvinist for the sake of adding meaningless epithets, but because in fact it is a real planned campaign by that kind of loose associations which are made possible by the internet and which pick and push dirt and falsehood. I has been a very common and frequent content on the net and social nets (fb, twitter, etc.) to publish continuously that women accused any man of rape regularly for whatever reasons. Well, after going through the whole amount of rape cases the amounts of those false accusations was of the order of 0.00x%. With that they were creating an atmosphere of disdain and suspicion for rape complaints and pushing judges to be more careless or lenient when it came to pronouncing veredicts or penlties, while at the same time giving fuel to the defence of rapists.It is very rare, indeed, that a woman would accuse of rape if she was not raped. Far more frequent is that they are raped and just don't have the strength left to accuse. Finally the onus of proof still falls on her and it starts with the extremely pleasant experience of going straight to a medical station where she can be thoroughly examined inside an outside. Real fun, and then, who in her sane mind would want to go through painful and trying court proceedings where they can be found guilty of false witnessing if they lie.
The way progressive presents the case makes it appear that the judges or courts int he United states give veredicts just for fun as soon as the woman accuser opens her mouth. I have trouble bilieving that, so may be I would need more testimony on that count than mere obviously emotionally moved utterances from a single person.
Progressive seems to have a deal of problems concerning women and concerning other things. If it is so, I am sorry for him, but unburdening his soul on other people who are not guilt of anything towards him, like those who might be participants or visitors in this forum is not going to solve his conflicts. If I were in such a situation I woul like to be able to confront those conflicts objectively and effectively instead of carrying them around forever. It is not sane nor helpful to live in that kind of company for a long time, although that kind of suffering some times is very much enjoyed by the sufferer, to the point of not wanting to get rid of it.
So, please, yes rape is a crime and it is always done against women. If men could be raped by women I do not want even to think of how many women would be falsely accused and put in prison with far more diligence than is the case with men. Finally they regularly they were falsely accused of having aborted when abortion was crime.
Also, there is another thing that progressive and other men do and which I cannot and do not want to approve or condone, and it is as if they always spoke not only on behalf of themselves, but on behalf of all males, poor them that suffer the perfidy or abuse of women, like that, in general.
I try always to make it clear that I do not put men in a bunch. They are not in a bunch. Men, like women, human beings, are each his or her own. The whinnings or the bad or good deeds of any of them are not shared with all the others. I think I have made it clear more than a few times that there are good men, excellent men, who far from being enemies or pests of women, are the opposite, real qawwamoon, as the Qur'an enjoins. I maintain that, but then, good men do not go around throwing mud at women. Nor go around accusing women of being anti men because they say some men or some of the men are or do not behave as they should. That is, the antiwomen men hide behind all men to attack women, but nobody, at least not I aacuses all men of anything, quite the opposite, I keep saying that what those men do is just them and that there are many decent men who are quite innocent of the kind of behaviour of which they are quite innocent.
Salaam
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Huruf,
You have a "Us vs Them" mentality that I do not want to engage in because it is sick. Certainly men can get sexually assaulted by women. There have been cases of rape. And moreover, men get raped much more than women because of prison rape and gays raping men and boys - priest scandals ring a bell? Sodom? Your comments are still filled with emnity, emotion and bias. You have displayed your character, so be it. In fact, you are so biased, you did not even read my question properly in that thread and just went to rage and said something disgusting and gross. Shame on you. May you turn back from this, if God wills. If you don't it is your life/soul - do what you want, but I can see what you are like.
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Huruf,
You have a "Us vs Them" mentality that I do not want to engage in because it is sick. Certainly men can get sexually assaulted by women. There have been cases of rape. And moreover, men get raped much more than women because of prison rape and gays raping men and boys - priest scandals ring a bell? Sodom? Your comments are still filled with emnity, emotion and bias. You have displayed your character, so be it. In fact, you are so biased, you did not even read my question properly in that thread and just went to rage and said something disgusting and gross. Shame on you. May you turn back from this, if God wills. If you don't it is your life/soul - do what you want, but I can see what you are like.
That all came to you when you saw yourself in the mirror?
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Peace
I am following this topic with shock.Makavelli is rude,Obscene and vulgar.it is hurufs greatness that she laughed it off.
The last post of Progressive 1933 is so mean and spiteful,calling her 'Sick'.Totally unquranic behaviour.
Grow up boys.
Mods please step in.
Peace
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Peace
I am following this topic with shock.Makavelli is rude,Obscene and vulgar.it is hurufs greatness that she laughed it off.
The last post of Progressive 1933 is so mean and spiteful,calling her 'Sick'.Totally unquranic behaviour.
Grow up boys.
Mods please step in.
Peace
JavedMore false accusations. I did not call her sick. Read! I think mods should have stepped in when huruf called me a rapist and wished for me to get raped. On top of that she did not read what I said and is angry and violent. This forum is petty nowadays.
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Peace
I am following this topic with shock.Makavelli is rude,Obscene and vulgar.it is hurufs greatness that she laughed it off.
The last post of Progressive 1933 is so mean and spiteful,calling her 'Sick'.Totally unquranic behaviour.
JavedDon't forget to mention that javed1 is being completely illogical, on top of that. You did not read her posts (more like saliva eruptions on the keyboard rather than constructive argumentation).
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Peace
I am following this topic with shock.Makavelli is rude,Obscene and vulgar.it is hurufs greatness that she laughed it off.
The last post of Progressive 1933 is so mean and spiteful,calling her 'Sick'.Totally unquranic behaviour.
Grow up boys.
Mods please step in.
Peace
JavedThank you, Javed, brother. Thank you for raising up in some measure the level of this thread and forum. I appreciate your kind words towards me and I agree, the moderators should step in so I m going to report the lst message so they can take whateever steps they deem fit.
Salaam
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Peace
I am following this topic with shock.Makavelli is rude,Obscene and vulgar.it is hurufs greatness that she laughed it off.
The last post of Progressive 1933 is so mean and spiteful,calling her 'Sick'.Totally unquranic behaviour.
Grow up boys.
Mods please step in.
Peace
JavedSalaam
If you want the mods to step in you can always report the comment you find needs moderation.
I have already reported makavelii comment on huruf in which he uses the n-bomb. The more individuals report them the better for their reprimanding. -
Salaam
If you want the mods to step in you can always report the comment you find needs moderation.
I have already reported makavelii comment on huruf in which he uses the n-bomb. The more individuals report them the better for their reprimanding.So apparently using an "n-bomb" which contextually was not at all used to underline the racism problem but was used as a sincere associative understanding of her posts, which to me quite clearly represent her way of narration, is far more severe than "I do hope you get raped a few times and enjoy it" ? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609774.msg410228#msg410228
Taking words out of their obvious context is a bad habit, especially if you are interested in religious texts...
I am glad I was reported, the outcome of these reports will show crystal clear how reasonable the administration here is, and I believe these boards is a great example of a constructive dialogue, seeing how some aggressive individuals from religious sects are not banned immediately but are instead given their right to free speech, which is not the case of traditional boards and/or social networks. I was expressing my support for what I believe is right and pointing out the hypocrisy of some forum users here is for me a far greater necessity than a problem of harsh language.
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So apparently using an "n-bomb" which contextually was not at all used to underline the racism problem but was used as a sincere associative understanding of her posts, which to me quite clearly represent her way of narration, is far more severe than "I do hope you get raped a few times and enjoy it" ? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609774.msg410228#msg410228
Taking words out of their obvious context is a bad habit, especially if you are interested in religious texts...
I am glad I was reported, the outcome of these reports will show crystal clear how reasonable the administration here is, and I believe these boards is a great example of a constructive dialogue, seeing how some aggressive individuals from religious sects are not banned immediately but are instead given their right to free speech, which is not the case of traditional boards and/or social networks. I was expressing my support for what I believe is right and pointing out the hypocrisy of some forum users here is for me a far greater necessity than a problem of harsh language.
Well I mean if you want to report it, then go ahead.
I think your rant about huruf can also be viewed as hypocritical. You do not know anything about her ethnicity yet you made hurtful assumptions and you chose to demean and use a hurtful stereotype. That behavior is just not okay. Neither is wishing to rape someone or for someone to get raped. -
Proressive and Makaveli have lied blatantly in their posts in this thread.
In no post in which I have wrriten have I seen that anybody has wished anybody else to get raped. I don't even can guess from where in my messages anybody has come to that outlandish idea, it is so far from my statements. What some have pointed out with more or less fortune in some thread, is that one should put him or herself in the place of the raped in order to feel more empathy and not speak without relly knowing how it can feel and and mean for the raped.
Any way, I want to thank Javed and HP-Tech for their decent and and respectful attitude. Particularly with HP-Tech, we have disagreed in some questions recently and that nonetheless has not prevented him from acting with real dignity, which shows, once more, that it is not opinion, but behaviour, what makes a person worthy of respect.
Other than that, it seems that this thread has now been reported twice. It is Now up to the moderators.
Salaam
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Well I mean if you want to report it, then go ahead.
I think your rant about huruf can also be viewed as hypocritical. You do not know anything about her ethnicity yet you made hurtful assumptions and you chose to demean and use a hurtful stereotype. That behavior is just not okay. Neither is wishing to rape someone or for someone to get raped.I don't wish to participate in the group reportings. I am not a communist with the mentality of a neighbour-snitch. I think for myself and I am enlightened enough to not get offended by random rants.
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Salaam
If you want the mods to step in you can always report the comment you find needs moderation.
I have already reported makavelii comment on huruf in which he uses the n-bomb. The more individuals report them the better for their reprimanding.I can't believe you reported that. You're that sensitive? I'd be disappointed if makavelii get reprimanded. He didn't address you or any one for that matter with the n-bomb. Directly or indirectly.
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Peace
I am following this topic with shock.Makavelli is rude,Obscene and vulgar.it is hurufs greatness that she laughed it off.
The last post of Progressive 1933 is so mean and spiteful,calling her 'Sick'.Totally unquranic behaviour.
Grow up boys.
Mods please step in.
Peace
JavedHe was clearly joking. If you didn't sense that, you need to cheer up
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https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=410345;topic=9609833.10;last_msg=410347
I can't believe you reported that. You're that sensitive? I'd be disappointed if makavelii get reprimanded. He didn't address you or any one for that matter with the n-bomb. Directly or indirectly.I think the reporting button is there for such things. This thread is a long time off to nowhere good and that is what moderators are there for. Whether they reprimand anybody or not or adopt any other action it is their business.
Salaam
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I would say,draw a line and get back to discussing important matters and positive /happy topics.
In my opinion you are all capable of better. I know from reading the posts some of you have been dragged in it. Forgive and forget
Let us encourage respect and good behaviour and discourage things like this among all the brothers and sisters here2421
O you who believe, do not follow the steps of Satan. Anyone who follows the steps of Satan, should know that he advocates evil and vice. If it were not for God's grace towards you, and His mercy, none of you would have been cleaned/ purified. But God cleans/ purifies whomever He wills. God is Hearer, Knower.
GOD bless you all.
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It was comic, but I don't think he was joking. Unfortunately that seems to be his way. And if it were a joke it was certainly not respectful as much for me as for other people.
I am glad though that you have seen it as a joke.
Salaam
I was referring to makavelli's comment, not progressive 1933's.
