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    Man_of_Faith
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    https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

    Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.

    Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.

    Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.

    Be well
    Qarael Amenuel

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      The_Sardar
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      https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

      Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.

      Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.

      Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.

      Be well
      Qarael Amenuel

      Bold Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.

      To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
      I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that.

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        Bold Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.

        To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
        I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that.

        If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

        Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

        Be well
        Qarael Amenuel

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          The_Sardar
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          #57

          If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

          Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

          Be well
          Qarael Amenuel

          Although i do not agree that Allah (SWTAY) is inside us but we have a connection to Him alone since we are part of his creations.

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            Although i do not agree that Allah (SWTAY) is inside us but we have a connection to Him alone since we are part of his creations.

            What we are and how we are, all creation in respect of God using an analogy, we could say that we are like a dream of God. We are not got or part of God, but we have no independent existence, nor are we masters of our destiny. We exist because our dreamer dreams us. The moment he wouldn't dream us we would ceaseto exist and would never have existed if He also decidd to dream our inexistence ever.

            As a drem in itself we seem to be something separate, something independent, but that is only a feeling we get because of our isolation of our consciousness from our dreamer.

            Salaam

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              We do not exist besides God, anything else would be the association Muslims are so obsessed about.

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                We do not exist besides God, anything else would be the association Muslims are so obsessed about.

                Exactly. A dream does not exist unless a dreamer makes it. And as the Qur'an says, if God stopped sustaining the creation, it would cease to existe. God did not creat and leave but cotinues holding and sustaining every one of our own single breathings.

                Salaam

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                  Exactly. A dream does not exist unless a dreamer makes it. And as the Qur'an says, if God stopped sustaining the creation, it would cease to existe. God did not creat and leave but cotinues holding and sustaining every one of our own single breathings.

                  Salaam

                  That is deism, not saying you are one but just pointing that out.

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                    The_Sardar
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                    Plus this picture came into my mind hmm

                    https//ismailignosis.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/classical_theism.png

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                      The_Sardar
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                      This assumption is not correct. However, it is correct Allah is not a proper noun.

                      Allah is from a root found in lexicons and etymological sources as Alef-Lam-Lam. Allah is a remarkable unique formula including an end which is commonly known as third person singular.

                      Allah basically means "Is Like (a) Who"", based on the same root as is used in the famous AL prefix. For further knowing about that I cannot disclose on this forum, but I can tell Allah does not mean what people are used to.

                      Allah is not from a nonexistent root called Alif-Lam-Heh. That root does not exist. Eleh is no more than AL prefix on a third person singular pronoun suffix. Simple grammar. It means "the he/she/it". Allah is a slightly more evolved form, meaning "the like he/she/it". Basically it refers to someone's status as a being.

                      Be well
                      Qarael Amenuel

                      Bold I check the root word Alif-Lam-Lam and it says Alif-Lam-Lam = Pact, covenant; blood relationship, consanguinity; Anything which has a quality requiring it to be regarded as sacred, or inviolable; which has some right pertaining to it, nearness with respect to kindred, good origin, promise or an assurance of safety or security, neighbour, bond.

                      illan n.m. 98, 910

                      Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 111, 112 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=all

                      (Project Root List)

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                        If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

                        Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

                        Be well
                        Qarael Amenuel

                        I don't know if this is valid but in our national launguage (Swedish) the word Gud (God) is little similar the khud-a? Without the a of course.

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