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    huruf
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    I wonder Huruf what do you think english word God actually means?

    Sardar, man, you are squeezing me too much.

    God for me is the same as Allah, the same as Dios, the same as Got, etc. etc. What can a I say, words would always be short. But as I say God as a word fits whatever we have in mind as The cause of everything except itself and the object of everything excet itself, etc.etc.etc.

    Salaam

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      Sardar, man, you are squeezing me too much.

      God for me is the same as Allah, the same as Dios, the same as Got, etc. etc. What can a I say, words would always be short. But as I say God as a word fits whatever we have in mind as The cause of everything except itself and the object of everything excet itself, etc.etc.etc.

      Salaam

      Bold Apologies for that, i had to be sure.

      Brother/Sister of Mankind Aries did gave us a proto-indoeuropean root word of God

      ?dh
      Inner Light and Meditation

      Once the Indo-Europeans had used the consonant d, symbol of light, to denote the divine (divya) and god (deva), they then used the d to mean ?to bear light ? within the human soul and they consequently formed the root dh ?to think in contemplation? or ?contemplative thinking?.

      From dh came the word dhti ?devotion?, ?prayer? or ?meditation?, which, in Latin, corresponds to the word fides ?faith? ?

      (Please, note that the development of indoeuropean dh > latin f is very common.

      From "Comparative etymological Dictionary of classical Indo-European languages Indo-European - Sanskrit - Greek - Latin", Rendich Franco, p. 88 (2014)

      From this, the root for Greek theos (&#962 and latin deus have been recognised

      dyeu-

      To shine (and in many derivatives, "sky, heaven, god&quot. Zero-grades *dyu and *diw.
      Derivatives include Tuesday, divine, jovial, Jupiter, diary, dismal, journey, and psychedelic.

      1. Basic form *dyeu, Jove, the name of the god of the bright sky, head of the Indo-European pantheon.
      2. Jove, jovial; apojove, perijove, Sangiovese, from Latin Iovis, Jupiter, or Iov, stem of Iuppiter, Jupiter.
      3. July, from Latin Ilius, "descended from Jupiter" (name of a Roman gens), from derivative *iou-il.
      4. Vocative compound *dyeu-pter, "O father Jove" (*pter, father; see pter-). Jupiter, from Latin Iuppiter, Ipiter, head of the Roman pantheon.
      5. Dione, Zeus; dianthus, Dioscuri, from Greek Zeus (genitive Dios), Zeus.
      6. Noun *deiwos, god, formed by e-insertion to the zero-grade *diw and suffixation of (accented) -o.
      7. Tiu, Tuesday, from Old English Tw (genitive Twes), god of war and sky;
      8. Tyr, from Old Norse Tr, sky god. Both a and b from Germanic *Twaz.
      9. deism, deity, joss; adieu, adios, deific, deus ex machina, from Latin deus, god.
      10. diva, divine, from Latin dvus, divine, god.
      11. Dis, Dives, from Latin dves, rich (< "fortunate, blessed, divine&quot.
      12. Suffixed zero-grade form *diw-yo, heavenly. Diana, from Latin Dina, moon goddess.
      13. deva, Devi; deodar, Devanagari, from Sanskrit deva, god, and deva, divine.
      14. Asmodeus, from Avestan dauua, spirit, demon.
      15. Variant *dy (< *dye&#8209 dial, diary, diet2, dismal, diurnal, journal, journey; adjourn, ajour?, circadian, meridian, postmeridian, quotidian, sojourn, from Latin dis, day.
      16. Variant *dei. psychedelic, adelgid, from Greek dlos (< *deyalos), clear.

      From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR017200

      And also the Germanic Gott and English God

      gheu(&#601-
      To call, invoke. Oldest form *gheu(h2/3), becoming *gheu(h2/3) in centum languages. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to, "the invoked," god.

      1. god, from Old English god, god;
      2. giddy, from Old English gydig, gidig, possessed, insane, from Germanic *gud-iga, possessed by a god;
      3. g?tterd?mmerung, from Old High German got, god. a-c all from Germanic *gudam, god.

      From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900

      This root gheu(&#601- is closely related to the root *ged-

      *ged-
      to join, to unite
      Lith. guodas, Ltv. gods, Eng. gd/good, Gm. guot/gut, Goth. g?s; gds, ON g?r, Skr. (gadhya), OCS god, Russ. (god), Polish gody, Toch. ktk/ktk

      from https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AppendixList_of_Proto-Indo-European_roots/g%CA%B0

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        It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.

        There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.

        Source http//www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god

        Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.

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          It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.

          There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.

          Source http//www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god

          Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.

          So what does that mean exactly? I did checked the source but i was a bit lost.

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            It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.

            There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.

            Source http//www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god

            Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.

            There was a another link Aries gave us http//search.proquest.com/openview/168623f5623c2cb08baa85e718377752/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=1817105

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              So what does that mean exactly? I did checked the source but i was a bit lost.

              My take of the word "god" refers to "past/dead/above existence/crossed life births"
              it should have come from the Buddhist/Samanic way of seeing god. one who has crossed seven stages of karmic life. Other faiths do have little similar understanding like normal people do take lifebirths and finally assimilate with the supreme being.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

                Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.

                Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.

                Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.

                Be well
                Qarael Amenuel

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                  The_Sardar
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                  https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

                  Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.

                  Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.

                  Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.

                  Be well
                  Qarael Amenuel

                  Bold Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.

                  To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
                  I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that.

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                    Bold Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.

                    To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
                    I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that.

                    If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

                    Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

                    Be well
                    Qarael Amenuel

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                      The_Sardar
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                      If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

                      Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

                      Be well
                      Qarael Amenuel

                      Although i do not agree that Allah (SWTAY) is inside us but we have a connection to Him alone since we are part of his creations.

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                        Although i do not agree that Allah (SWTAY) is inside us but we have a connection to Him alone since we are part of his creations.

                        What we are and how we are, all creation in respect of God using an analogy, we could say that we are like a dream of God. We are not got or part of God, but we have no independent existence, nor are we masters of our destiny. We exist because our dreamer dreams us. The moment he wouldn't dream us we would ceaseto exist and would never have existed if He also decidd to dream our inexistence ever.

                        As a drem in itself we seem to be something separate, something independent, but that is only a feeling we get because of our isolation of our consciousness from our dreamer.

                        Salaam

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                          We do not exist besides God, anything else would be the association Muslims are so obsessed about.

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                            We do not exist besides God, anything else would be the association Muslims are so obsessed about.

                            Exactly. A dream does not exist unless a dreamer makes it. And as the Qur'an says, if God stopped sustaining the creation, it would cease to existe. God did not creat and leave but cotinues holding and sustaining every one of our own single breathings.

                            Salaam

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                              Exactly. A dream does not exist unless a dreamer makes it. And as the Qur'an says, if God stopped sustaining the creation, it would cease to existe. God did not creat and leave but cotinues holding and sustaining every one of our own single breathings.

                              Salaam

                              That is deism, not saying you are one but just pointing that out.

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                                The_Sardar
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                                Plus this picture came into my mind hmm

                                https//ismailignosis.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/classical_theism.png

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                                  This assumption is not correct. However, it is correct Allah is not a proper noun.

                                  Allah is from a root found in lexicons and etymological sources as Alef-Lam-Lam. Allah is a remarkable unique formula including an end which is commonly known as third person singular.

                                  Allah basically means "Is Like (a) Who"", based on the same root as is used in the famous AL prefix. For further knowing about that I cannot disclose on this forum, but I can tell Allah does not mean what people are used to.

                                  Allah is not from a nonexistent root called Alif-Lam-Heh. That root does not exist. Eleh is no more than AL prefix on a third person singular pronoun suffix. Simple grammar. It means "the he/she/it". Allah is a slightly more evolved form, meaning "the like he/she/it". Basically it refers to someone's status as a being.

                                  Be well
                                  Qarael Amenuel

                                  Bold I check the root word Alif-Lam-Lam and it says Alif-Lam-Lam = Pact, covenant; blood relationship, consanguinity; Anything which has a quality requiring it to be regarded as sacred, or inviolable; which has some right pertaining to it, nearness with respect to kindred, good origin, promise or an assurance of safety or security, neighbour, bond.

                                  illan n.m. 98, 910

                                  Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 111, 112 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=all

                                  (Project Root List)

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                                    If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.

                                    Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.

                                    Be well
                                    Qarael Amenuel

                                    I don't know if this is valid but in our national launguage (Swedish) the word Gud (God) is little similar the khud-a? Without the a of course.

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