An article about Allah.
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Our missed friend Pazuzu wrote something about that. Here is the thread
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605163.msg323451#msg323451
It doesn't sound like he is agreeing with it. He says that God is dog backwards. and i checked the root word of dog and it said this
Old English docga, a late, rare word used of a powerful breed of canine. It forced out Old English hund (the general Germanic and Indo-European word; see canine ) by 16c. and subsequently was picked up in many continental languages (e.g. French dogue (16c.), Danish dogge), but the origin remains one of the great mysteries of English etymology.
He also says that it is a mockery of The Quran translating Allah to the english word God which i don't know if he is right or wrong. I found a quote from a brother named Nadeem
Peace Jankren,
My knowledge of arabic is poor, so I'm probably not the guy you're looking for, but still even with a little knowledge I think that this question can be answered. I think the answer lies in the preposition li-, which means to or for. In "Koranic and Classical Arabic" by Wheeler Thackston, pg. 11-12, the grammatical rules of li- are detailed. They say that when a word begins with Alif, the alif is retained orthographically but not pronounced. Thus, Imrat, which means women and is written like
Becomes with li- attached
(Li-mrat)
However, if a word begins with the definite article, which is Al- "the" (Alif and Laam), then the Alif is removed completely and the laam from the preposition li- is added to the remaining laam from the definite article. Al-bint, which means "the girl"
Becomes with li- attached
(Li-lbint)
You can see that the letter is missing in Li-lbint. So if a word intrinsically has Alif at the beginning, then that alif is retained in writing but not pronounced. But when a word does not begin with alif, such as bint, but has the definite article (which does have alif at the beginning), then that alif is removed completely.
Now look at what happens when we attach li- to allah.
Allah
Becomes
The alif is gone! Doesn't that suggest that there is a definite article in the front of "Allah"? That it is indeed "Al-Ilah", which means "The God", and that it is word not a name?
I even have theory as to why the i in ilah is gone when it becomes Al-lah. Again, look the word imrat - woman. When the Al- is added, it is not pronounced al-imraat, but Al-mraat! You see, here to the i is gone not only in pronunciation but in writing too! The same must be the case with ilah.
But as I said, I only know a little arabic, and a little arabic can be dangerous...
I hope someone more knowledgeable can correct or confirm this post.
Nadeem
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It doesn't sound like he is agreeing with it. He says that God is dog backwards. and i checked the root word of dog and it said this
He also says that it is a mockery of The Quran translating Allah to the english word God which i don't know if he is right or wrong. I found a quote from a brother named Nadeem
I did not refer to the dog part, which to me is not significant at all but to what he said regarding root lam-ha, which I think is valid.
Salaam
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I did not refer to the dog part, which to me is not significant at all but to what he said regarding root lam-ha, which I think is valid.
Salaam
Im a bit lost of what you are saying, what was it that makes it similar of what Kashif Khan article of Pazuzu's explaination?
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As far as I can remember, which is not much, becus I wrote that some time go, the question seemed to be from which root comes the word Allah, Pazuzu, said from lam-ha, and he gave some explanation of it, and I said that I was in agreement with Pazuzu assessment, although I do not think, when it comes to meaning or translation tht does not matter too much, because each person has his or he rown concept of God which depends no on the language, but on what one is capable of conceiving, and the name it is given for people with the same conception may be near, but even with the same word for peole of another conception will be disimilar. For someody whose highest concept of God is a man with beard and very angry, even though using the same word, will not be the same tht for someone whose concept of God beyond imgination and as the source of al being, unencompassable and master and ruler of existence and all that exists.
Salaam
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As far as I can remember, which is not much, becus I wrote that some time go, the question seemed to be from which root comes the word Allah, Pazuzu, said from lam-ha, and he gave some explanation of it, and I said that I was in agreement with Pazuzu assessment, although I do not think, when it comes to meaning or translation tht does not matter too much, because each person has his or he rown concept of God which depends no on the language, but on what one is capable of conceiving, and the name it is given for people with the same conception may be near, but even with the same word for peole of another conception will be disimilar. For someody whose highest concept of God is a man with beard and very angry, even though using the same word, will not be the same tht for someone whose concept of God beyond imgination and as the source of al being, unencompassable and master and ruler of existence and all that exists.
Salaam
To me God is what Quran is describing Him who is Just and Fair, who did not create evil, rewards the rightoues people for their service to The Almighty Divine Creator. Kind and Gracious and Merciful and punishes the wicked cruel evil people. Forgive me if my explaination is not well made. I remember seeing verses in the Quran describing Allah (SWTAY) few of his many magnificent attributes but i forgot the verses. I don't think it's really horrifying just calling Allah (SWTAY) God in English. I wonder what word God actually means? Without of course involving religous concepts.
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You know noticed some of his postings later after that post you showed Huruf and he called Allah (SWTAY) well...God. Here are the 2 posts that caught my eye.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606687.msg354549#msg354549
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602939.msg366347#msg366347
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You know noticed some of his postings later after that post you showed Huruf and he called Allah (SWTAY) well...God. Here are the 2 posts that caught my eye.
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606687.msg354549#msg354549
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602939.msg366347#msg366347
Yes that is natural. That is why I say that I what I saw important in that post, and I do think it is, is the root of the word Allah. That is important in a certain way and at a certain level, but it is not indispensable to maintain the conept of God that we ourselves are able to attain at. Even with the Qur'a in the hand different peole get different levels of undetanding or communing. So we should not transpose to the words themselves the meaning that we give tham. Words are instruments not subjects. That is what think I and others have tried to expplain in this thread, and even our friend Pazuzu has shown that it is soin spite that it mitght understood as contrdicting another of his posts.
By the way, very good catch yougot there.
Salaam
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Yes that is natural. That is why I say that I what I saw important in that post, and I do think it is, is the root of the word Allah. That is important in a certain way and at a certain level, but it is not indispensable to maintain the conept of God that we ourselves are able to attain at. Even with the Qur'a in the hand different peole get different levels of undetanding or communing. So we should not transpose to the words themselves the meaning that we give tham. Words are instruments not subjects. That is what think I and others have tried to expplain in this thread, and even our friend Pazuzu has shown that it is soin spite that it mitght understood as contrdicting another of his posts.
By the way, very good catch yougot there.
Salaam
Some say Allah/God (SWTAY) is the Absolute Consciousness for example this article chrome-extension//oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/http//ebooks.rahnuma.org/religion/Aurangzaib.Yousufzai/Aurangzaib.Yousufzai_Universe-and-God-EN.pdf
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I wonder Huruf what do you think english word God actually means?
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I wonder Huruf what do you think english word God actually means?
Sardar, man, you are squeezing me too much.
God for me is the same as Allah, the same as Dios, the same as Got, etc. etc. What can a I say, words would always be short. But as I say God as a word fits whatever we have in mind as The cause of everything except itself and the object of everything excet itself, etc.etc.etc.
Salaam
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Sardar, man, you are squeezing me too much.
God for me is the same as Allah, the same as Dios, the same as Got, etc. etc. What can a I say, words would always be short. But as I say God as a word fits whatever we have in mind as The cause of everything except itself and the object of everything excet itself, etc.etc.etc.
Salaam
Bold Apologies for that, i had to be sure.
Brother/Sister of Mankind Aries did gave us a proto-indoeuropean root word of God
?dh
Inner Light and MeditationOnce the Indo-Europeans had used the consonant d, symbol of light, to denote the divine (divya) and god (deva), they then used the d to mean ?to bear light ? within the human soul and they consequently formed the root dh ?to think in contemplation? or ?contemplative thinking?.
From dh came the word dhti ?devotion?, ?prayer? or ?meditation?, which, in Latin, corresponds to the word fides ?faith? ?
(Please, note that the development of indoeuropean dh > latin f is very common.
From "Comparative etymological Dictionary of classical Indo-European languages Indo-European - Sanskrit - Greek - Latin", Rendich Franco, p. 88 (2014)
From this, the root for Greek theos (ς and latin deus have been recognised
dyeu-
To shine (and in many derivatives, "sky, heaven, god". Zero-grades *dyu and *diw.
Derivatives include Tuesday, divine, jovial, Jupiter, diary, dismal, journey, and psychedelic.- Basic form *dyeu, Jove, the name of the god of the bright sky, head of the Indo-European pantheon.
- Jove, jovial; apojove, perijove, Sangiovese, from Latin Iovis, Jupiter, or Iov, stem of Iuppiter, Jupiter.
- July, from Latin Ilius, "descended from Jupiter" (name of a Roman gens), from derivative *iou-il.
- Vocative compound *dyeu-pter, "O father Jove" (*pter, father; see pter-). Jupiter, from Latin Iuppiter, Ipiter, head of the Roman pantheon.
- Dione, Zeus; dianthus, Dioscuri, from Greek Zeus (genitive Dios), Zeus.
- Noun *deiwos, god, formed by e-insertion to the zero-grade *diw and suffixation of (accented) -o.
- Tiu, Tuesday, from Old English Tw (genitive Twes), god of war and sky;
- Tyr, from Old Norse Tr, sky god. Both a and b from Germanic *Twaz.
- deism, deity, joss; adieu, adios, deific, deus ex machina, from Latin deus, god.
- diva, divine, from Latin dvus, divine, god.
- Dis, Dives, from Latin dves, rich (< "fortunate, blessed, divine".
- Suffixed zero-grade form *diw-yo, heavenly. Diana, from Latin Dina, moon goddess.
- deva, Devi; deodar, Devanagari, from Sanskrit deva, god, and deva, divine.
- Asmodeus, from Avestan dauua, spirit, demon.
- Variant *dy (< *dye‑ dial, diary, diet2, dismal, diurnal, journal, journey; adjourn, ajour?, circadian, meridian, postmeridian, quotidian, sojourn, from Latin dis, day.
- Variant *dei. psychedelic, adelgid, from Greek dlos (< *deyalos), clear.
From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR017200
And also the Germanic Gott and English God
gheu(ə-
To call, invoke. Oldest form *gheu(h2/3), becoming *gheu(h2/3) in centum languages. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to, "the invoked," god.- god, from Old English god, god;
- giddy, from Old English gydig, gidig, possessed, insane, from Germanic *gud-iga, possessed by a god;
- g?tterd?mmerung, from Old High German got, god. a-c all from Germanic *gudam, god.
From https//www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#IR031900
This root gheu(ə- is closely related to the root *ged-
*ged-
to join, to unite
Lith. guodas, Ltv. gods, Eng. gd/good, Gm. guot/gut, Goth. g?s; gds, ON g?r, Skr. (gadhya), OCS god, Russ. (god), Polish gody, Toch. ktk/ktkfrom https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AppendixList_of_Proto-Indo-European_roots/g%CA%B0
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It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.
There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.
Source http//www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god
Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.
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It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.
There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.
Source http//www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god
Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.
So what does that mean exactly? I did checked the source but i was a bit lost.
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It may be possible "God" is a linguistic perversion of the Persian "khuda" which is in line with the Indo-European heritage. The ancient Persians did have a prominent influence on the world around them. Why it fell to "G" may be due to the pronunciation of kh is not all too easy in foreign languages.
There are indications that there may have been a similar pronunciation further back in etymology and it may even have been with an "a" sound in the end.
Source http//www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=god
Observe that the hypothesis about khuda is not on that etymology site but it is my logical assumption and the etymology reference is to show examples of used syllables.
There was a another link Aries gave us http//search.proquest.com/openview/168623f5623c2cb08baa85e718377752/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=1817105
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So what does that mean exactly? I did checked the source but i was a bit lost.
My take of the word "god" refers to "past/dead/above existence/crossed life births"
it should have come from the Buddhist/Samanic way of seeing god. one who has crossed seven stages of karmic life. Other faiths do have little similar understanding like normal people do take lifebirths and finally assimilate with the supreme being. -
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda
Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.
Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.
Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda
Please read yourself how it is perceived in mainstream understanding.
Personally, I take the word to be derived from "self" which is how the letters khuwd are used in modern Persian, e.g. "yourself". That is in line with the real meaning of allah as well and the "I am who I am" from the Bible.
Once upon a time there must have been someone who knew "God" is just not an angry jealous skyman sitting on a throne on the Moon and is angry because people wish to ascend and take space.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelBold Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.
To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that. -
Bold Someone who was a true acknowlegder of The Creator knew Allah/God (SWTAY) wasn't like that stupid false deity as you described. That was a lot of people unfortunately think of because of some bigoted douchebags, both religous and atheists made The Lord of the Worlds/Universe.
To me the word God has nothing to do with any pagan or some weird things. It's a modern english title of The Divine Infinite Creator (SWTAY)
I pretty sure calling Allah (SWTAY) God is nothing horrifying because it wouldn't be fair you get in trouble for that.If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.
Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
If God is derived from the Indo-European "khud-a" then you may be correct. For whatever it means, it is a reference Persians used for the phenomenon called "God" in English.
Anyways, what the ancient Persians were referring to is that the power of God shines out from the self, it is called or summoned from there. The idea about absolutely no association is a later invention, for God allows people to be associated for as long as it is being associated with Him.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelAlthough i do not agree that Allah (SWTAY) is inside us but we have a connection to Him alone since we are part of his creations.
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Although i do not agree that Allah (SWTAY) is inside us but we have a connection to Him alone since we are part of his creations.
What we are and how we are, all creation in respect of God using an analogy, we could say that we are like a dream of God. We are not got or part of God, but we have no independent existence, nor are we masters of our destiny. We exist because our dreamer dreams us. The moment he wouldn't dream us we would ceaseto exist and would never have existed if He also decidd to dream our inexistence ever.
As a drem in itself we seem to be something separate, something independent, but that is only a feeling we get because of our isolation of our consciousness from our dreamer.
Salaam
