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      Jokes apart,and I am sorry for my inappropriate jokes at times,I have to agree with huruf here.

      Either the person is clean in thoughts and intentions or still working on it or confused. Clothes are dictated by the mind that puts them on.

      "Modesty" is a state of mind before and after any clothes come into the equation.
      But the choices are there for people to put on what suits their mind. GOD has left it to us as another choice along with all the other choices.
      Qoran says dressing your mind with righteousness compliments your clothes. i.e,with this state of mind first, whatever you choose to wear would modest.
      GOD bless.
      Peace.

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        Desert and other extreme cold climate conditions brings in the need for dressing to protect our bodies, compared to the tropics where its not that strict. In India you can see monks without any dress and many finds it normal. So its the environment and culture that decides the dress.
        Invitation to sex is a norm, every animals do something to attract the opposite partner, sex comes with a lot of responsibilities and thinking before one gets committed or go for the act, even in this modern age. Women have additional responsibilities in this, as they are the one going to get affected most, sometimes these cultural practices prevent us from getting into trouble. Hair cover or cutting off hair is also such a practice, in India we can see widows shorten their hair, to prevent themselves from being attractive, right or wrong always has multiple factors to decide.

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          ?? My point is hair makes a woman more attractive = more attention

          Peace Amra94

          I agree but not to the extent that overall attraction has anything to do with hair.
          There are much more personal attributes that are far more important than hair!
          This reminds me of the debate about abortion believe it or not, where the men
          debate what is best for women. As far as female attraction goes why not just ask
          us guys what is attractive about women and vice versa. yes

          peace

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            I don't think I'd still blame the woman for the rape itself. You think a woman goes to a party expecting to be raped?

            The rape problem of college fraternities is centuries old and they have been always recorded. There is hardly anyone who doesn't know about this here. If even after that a woman goes to their house party then we can simply blame her. Come on, you won't walk in the forest at night without shoes! Frats are so notorious for drugging women for rape that some company even released a nail polish to help women detect if the drink they have has drug. To make things worse, reporting never always helps because these rapists' dads are politicians, CEO'S and other rich people capable of buying presidents of the universities and cops. That said, there are dumb men also who with the hope to climb the corporate ladder try to join these frats only to be killed at the time of hazing.

            I think the problem lies with the man if he feels sexually turned on by women's hair and feels he can't control himself as a result..

            It is not just hair. People get sexually attracted to each other even through chats without exchanging photos.

            As an example, I really like long hair on guys and there are other women who do too. Doesn't mean they should cover it up for us because we find it attractive, haha.
            We are in control of our own actions.

            Beauty is in the eye of beholder. Different people prefer different kinds of attractions just like love. No two persons may have one single opinion about how they fall in love.

            But of course I think if a woman wants to wear a headscarf, feels more modest and/or protected by it then sure do it! I just think we should all be less judgmental of eachother. Headscarf or no headscarf.

            But that doesn't mean I don't agree with decent dressing. Especially when it comes to body. You can be of good moral character with or without decent dressing but you can also do both together.

            The problem is not preference but the fact that the sectarians wear it by saying God told them to do so. We all know that's a lie. Unfortunately, plenty of us have suffered in various ways because of their choice. For instance, hijabis have been caught cheating. It is very easy to hide cheat sheets in that piece of cloth. They always also seem to think sexual and that's very very distracting and annoying. It starts quite early. Like I remember one friend in 7th grade used to limit our fun time in school playground because she thought a 50 year old teacher we had liked her and she was too shy to be near him. The latest problem is "I don't wanna walk over there. I don't wanna park over there. What if I am attacked for my hijab?" Needless to say that they have become a threat to all those who surround them. The odor is the number one problem though. I haven't met one who hasn't burned my nose. It is also wrong to profile men.

            in India we can see widows shorten their hair, to prevent themselves from being attractive, right or wrong always has multiple factors to decide.

            Oh there is more. Because of that same reason

            Widows are not allowed to eat much of what any normal person can eat. They are to have no meat, fish, dessert and many more to mention.
            They are limited to one room or space.
            They are declared as bad luck and untouchable.

            But I guess to fully end the attraction dillemma sati would be better choice.

            Desert and other extreme cold climate conditions brings in the need for dressing to protect our bodies, compared to the tropics where its not that strict. In India you can see monks without any dress and many finds it normal. So its the environment and culture that decides the dress.

            I have always maintained that. One can wear hijab for climate condition. But it is wrong to attribute it to God.

            Invitation to sex is a norm, every animals do something to attract the opposite partner, sex comes with a lot of responsibilities and thinking before one gets committed or go for the act, even in this modern age. Women have additional responsibilities in this, as they are the one going to get affected most, sometimes these cultural practices prevent us from getting into trouble. Hair cover or cutting off hair is also such a practice, in India we can see widows shorten their hair, to prevent themselves from being attractive, right or wrong always has multiple factors to decide.

            This is interesting.
            Both Hijabis and skimpy clothe women do not want themselves to be seen as something sexual. In other words, "sex" is the problem. I guess it is best to just take some hormon to become asexual?

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              The rape problem of college fraternities is centuries old and they have been always recorded. There is hardly anyone who doesn't know about this here. If even after that a woman goes to their house party then we can simply blame her. Come on, you won't walk in the forest at night without shoes! Frats are so notorious for drugging women for rape that some company even released a nail polish to help women detect if the drink they have has drug. To make things worse, reporting never always helps because these rapists' dads are politicians, CEO'S and other rich people capable of buying presidents of the universities and cops. That said, there are dumb men also who with the hope to climb the corporate ladder try to join these frats only to be killed at the time of hazing.

              I am shocked and dumbfounded also that something that is so known as you say and happens over such a long time, goes on, everybody knows and nothing is done.

              Those people seem fit for the execution wall. What a cancer!

              Salaam

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                Peace Amra94

                I agree but not to the extent that overall attraction has anything to do with hair.
                There are much more personal attributes that are far more important than hair!

                peace. I know that but if you're getting attention from random men because of hair why not hide it

                This reminds me of the debate about abortion believe it or not, where the men
                debate what is best for women. As far as female attraction goes why not just ask
                us guys what is attractive about women and vice versa. yes

                peace

                I did ask my future husband what he thinks and he agree w/ me..

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                  peace. I know that but if you're getting attention from random men because of hair why not hide it

                  But how are you supposed to know it's because of your hair?

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                    The rape problem of college fraternities is centuries old and they have been always recorded. There is hardly anyone who doesn't know about this here. If even after that a woman goes to their house party then we can simply blame her. Come on, you won't walk in the forest at night without shoes! Frats are so notorious for drugging women for rape that some company even released a nail polish to help women detect if the drink they have has drug. To make things worse, reporting never always helps because these rapists' dads are politicians, CEO'S and other rich people capable of buying presidents of the universities and cops. That said, there are dumb men also who with the hope to climb the corporate ladder try to join these frats only to be killed at the time of hazing.

                    Yeah I don't know much about "fraternity parties". I'm assuming it's a US thing.

                    It is not just hair. People get sexually attracted to each other even through chats without exchanging photos.

                    Beauty is in the eye of beholder. Different people prefer different kinds of attractions just like love. No two persons may have one single opinion about how they fall in love.

                    That wasn't even the point.

                    The problem is not preference but the fact that the sectarians wear it by saying God told them to do so. We all know that's a lie. Unfortunately, plenty of us have suffered in various ways because of their choice. For instance, hijabis have been caught cheating. It is very easy to hide cheat sheets in that piece of cloth. They always also seem to think sexual and that's very very distracting and annoying. It starts quite early. Like I remember one friend in 7th grade used to limit our fun time in school playground because she thought a 50 year old teacher we had liked her and she was too shy to be near him. The latest problem is "I don't wanna walk over there. I don't wanna park over there. What if I am attacked for my hijab?" Needless to say that they have become a threat to all those who surround them. The odor is the number one problem though. I haven't met one who hasn't burned my nose. It is also wrong to profile men.

                    What do you mean odor?
                    But it's true, there are "hijabis" who are targetted because of their headscarf.
                    "Threat"? I think you're exaggerting here. There are headscarf wearers who sin and do bad things but so do many other women.
                    If it's ridiculous for "hijabis" to be against other Muslim women just for not wearing a scarf then it's also wrong for Muslim women who don't wear a scarf to be against those women just because they do. It's also quite ridiculous how some "Quranists" seem to be so against women who wear headscarf and/or niqab yet seem to think it's fine and dandy to wear bikinis.

                    Oh there is more. Because of that same reason

                    Widows are not allowed to eat much of what any normal person can eat. They are to have no meat, fish, dessert and many more to mention.
                    They are limited to one room or space.
                    They are declared as bad luck and untouchable.

                    But I guess to fully end the attraction dillemma sati would be better choice.

                    Now you seem to be confusing Hinduism with "traditional Islam".
                    Yes, there are even places in Muslim countries where widows and divorcees are treated extremely badly. But the "untouchable", "sati" stuff you seem to be getting from Hinduism. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some jahil village-y Muslims do/believe in that stuff.

                    I have always maintained that. One can wear hijab for climate condition. But it is wrong to attribute it to God.

                    This is interesting.
                    Both Hijabis and skimpy clothe women do not want themselves to be seen as something sexual. In other words, "sex" is the problem. I guess it is best to just take some hormon to become asexual?

                    Or maybe many men are the problem?
                    But it's true, people in general are becoming too sexualized.

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                      Complimenting anybody is something sexual? My God! Obsession can go far iondeed.

                      I didn't even say that??

                      Complimenting anybody is just a kind gesture unless the compliment is silly or demeaning or idiot in itself, which then would not really be a compliment. People compliment each other continually without any backthought just because it makes for a more pleasant and joyous living. IN fact, can't remember the aya, but kind words are a good deed in itself. And compliments finally are kind words, may be of the lesser value, but still kind.

                      And when the "compliments" are something else, then it is clear and obviously out of place, and the complimenter should be put in his or her place.

                      Salaam

                      I appreciate compliments from family and other women

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                        I did ask my future husband what he thinks and he agree w/ me..

                        rotfl Your future husband is a smart man to agree with his future wife,

                        but since nothing is at risk for other men, continue your research with other men.

                        peace

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                          The odor is the number one problem though. I haven't met one who hasn't burned my nose.

                          Heard a non Muslim lady say this about Muslim women and that they should dress to fit in.

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                            I am shocked and dumbfounded also that something that is so known as you say and happens over such a long time, goes on, everybody knows and nothing is done.

                            I noticed even the average men find these organizations attractive. I tried debating about it here and there with some. There is no way you can make them look at the rape problem followed by the loss of individualism. The supporters are mesmerized by the frats' affordable housing with cooks, library full of test papers and notes of the past "brothers", promise of great job positions which "unfortunately" is fulfilled even before they graduate, lifelong discounts for several products and services, lifelong friendship with sons of powerful fathers, etc.

                            Obama did want to eliminate the system, but couldn't. It was supposed to be his last work. Congress has 65% of frat members and so I bet it was not an easy job for him.

                            Those people seem fit for the execution wall. What a cancer!

                            Salaam

                            They have the sickest mentality, but outside they behave like they are so nice.

                            This is in 1992
                            <a href="http//articles.latimes.com/1992-03-15/opinion/op-6556_1_sexual-harassment"> The Dirty Secret in Fraternity Drinking Songs--Sexual Harassment</a>

                            Now more open than before

                            <a href="https//www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/02/rape-georgia-tech_n_6089922.html"> Here Are Disturbing Examples Of A ?Pro-Rape? Attitude At A Georgia Tech Frat</a>

                            Yeah I don't know much about "fraternity parties". I'm assuming it's a US thing.

                            Yep, but they are trying to now promote it in Canada and Australia.

                            That wasn't even the point.

                            Elaborate.

                            What do you mean odor?

                            They are not always washed. But the odor thing is not just my own complaint.

                            But it's true, there are "hijabis" who are targetted because of their headscarf.
                            "Threat"? I think you're exaggerting here. There are headscarf wearers who sin and do bad things but so do many other women.

                            I am not talking about sins here. Sorry for not giving details. These days hanging out with them means telling the uneducated men that we are sectarians also and thus, worthy of attack.

                            If it's ridiculous for "hijabis" to be against other Muslim women just for not wearing a scarf then it's also wrong for Muslim women who don't wear a scarf to be against those women just because they do. It's also quite ridiculous how some "Quranists" seem to be so against women who wear headscarf and/or niqab yet seem to think it's fine and dandy to wear bikinis.

                            It is not a woman v woman, but lie in the name of Islam v truth God told us to abide by. As I have always maintained, non islamic reasons to wear hijab is what I support.

                            Now you seem to be confusing Hinduism with "traditional Islam".
                            Yes, there are even places in Muslim countries where widows and divorcees are treated extremely badly. But the "untouchable", "sati" stuff you seem to be getting from Hinduism. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some jahil village-y Muslims do/believe in that stuff.

                            No, we weren't talking about that. The member used hindu widows' condition as an example that women should prevent themselves from being attractive. Unfortunately, that is a support for oppression.

                            Or maybe many men are the problem?

                            Then there would have been many rapes.

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                              Elaborate.

                              If I remember correctly, what I meant was that it's up to men to control their actions and not blame women for their own problems..

                              They are not always washed. But the odor thing is not just my own complaint.

                              What does that have to do with headscarf?
                              It sounds like you haven't been around many headscarf wearing women or don't know many.

                              I am not talking about sins here. Sorry for not giving details. These days hanging out with them means telling the uneducated men that we are sectarians also and thus, worthy of attack.

                              You think so? Sometimes just being a Muslim is enough for some people to attack us.

                              It is not a woman v woman, but lie in the name of Islam v truth God told us to abide by. As I have always maintained, non islamic reasons to wear hijab is what I support.

                              You can support what you want but just wearing a headscarf is no reason to be against them or disrespect them either and I'm saying this even though I sometimes feel left out and not supported by the Muslim women community just because I don't wear one. It's sad, I think we should support each other despite our clothing. I'm not saying support their reasons if you don't want to but just them as part of the community, I suppose.

                              No, we weren't talking about that. The member used hindu widows' condition as an example that women should prevent themselves from being attractive. Unfortunately, that is a support for oppression.

                              Oh right. That's not really a good example to use.

                              Then there would have been many rapes.

                              Aren't there?

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                                Again, why any talk about women or particularly muslim women must revolve around appearance?

                                No quesrion that women in the first place should not participate ever in conditioning their attitutde to other women on appearance. Appearance is just that, not the real being. So why come back again, and again and again, on it? If some or many men do it because it contributes to their ego or interests, let us not join them and cause harm and inconvenience to other women. They have their right to self development as they see fit, on their own terms and for their own purposes, not to fulfill anybody's fantasias or self-seeking demands.

                                Salaam

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                                  If I remember correctly, what I meant was that it's up to men to control their actions and not blame women for their own problems..

                                  Agree with that.

                                  What does that have to do with headscarf?
                                  It sounds like you haven't been around many headscarf wearing women or don't know many.

                                  Really? Sorry about the misconception. I lived in middle east for awhile and in my state, hijabis aren't uncommon.

                                  You think so? Sometimes just being a Muslim is enough for some people to attack us.

                                  We don't wear the badge. People who attack usually are strangers here.

                                  You can support what you want but just wearing a headscarf is no reason to be against them or disrespect them

                                  I have yet to find someone other than cancer patients who don't make religion as an excuse to wear hijab.

                                  either and I'm saying this even though I sometimes feel left out and not supported by the Muslim women community just because I don't wear one.

                                  Sorry to hear about that. That behavior towards you is familiar to me.

                                  It's sad, I think we should support each other despite our clothing. I'm not saying support their reasons if you don't want to but just them as part of the community, I suppose.

                                  Obviously, we aren't running any campaign against hijab. But I wouldn't support their claim that it is for religion and to prevent "fitna" pf attraction. I must also add that somehow the idea that men can't control themselves takes away the need for them to be accountable.

                                  Oh right. That's not really a good example to use.

                                  I am glad you understood.

                                  Aren't there?

                                  Not for what they wear, but who they hang out with.

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                                    Really? Sorry about the misconception. I lived in middle east for awhile and in my state, hijabis aren't uncommon.

                                    I have also been around several and have never experienced what you speak of.

                                    We don't wear the badge. People who attack usually are strangers here.

                                    I guess it can also depend on what you look like. E.g. whether you have brown skin or not. But attacks by racists on women with headscarf are of course much more common.

                                    I have yet to find someone other than cancer patients who don't make religion as an excuse to wear hijab.

                                    There are African women that wear turban. I also watched a video by a woman who wore headscarf because she felt it went with her gothic look (or something like that).

                                    Obviously, we aren't running any campaign against hijab. But I wouldn't support their claim that it is for religion and to prevent "fitna" pf attraction. I must also add that somehow the idea that men can't control themselves takes away the need for them to be accountable.

                                    You don't have to support their claims. But if they feel that it makes them feel more comfortable and modest then fine.
                                    Of course, we are responsible for our own actions.

                                    Not for what they wear, but who they hang out with.

                                    There are men that say the women were "asking for it".

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                                      The head veil is really less of an issue. In some cultures they use this.

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                                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                        What is the big deal? The Reading obviously does not say that any woman must cover her hair, but gives some commandments and guidelines to muminati

                                        2431 Tell the muminati to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage. Let them not show off their attraction except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their children that come after them, or those who are still their dependants, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the nakedness of women. Let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their attraction. Repent to God, all of you acknowledgers, so that you may succeed.

                                        3359 O Prophet! Tell your wives, your daughters, and the women of the mumineen that they should draw down over them some of their outer garments. That is better so that they would be recognized and not harmed. God is Absolver of imperfections, Merciful.

                                        If a woman wants to cover her hair, what or who's to stop her? Also, these commandments are not to be imposed - non-believers in a true mumin society could reasonably wear slightly more lax clothing. As long as there is no half-nakedness like today it should be fine.

                                        What do I think is a minimum modest dress for muminati? A skirt/dress that comfortably goes past the knees while seated, shoulders down to legs completely covered - both front and back, regular shoes - no high heels, flip-flops or ballerinas. In my opinion, neck, face, forearms, hands and lower part of legs can be shown. Moderaely modest would be to only show neck, face and hands. Very modest would be to also wear a head cover. Also, wearing tight or see-through clothing and excessive make-up defeats the purpose of covering. I dont think a head cover is at all necessary, but is certainly to be left for personal choice.

                                        The God knows best the way he designed men. That is why men, like women, should lower their gaze, but that is not enough. Muminati should observe a modest dress code. That way, especialy in today's society (in the West) in which most females dress immodestly in warm months and many outright dress like sluts, you would be distinguishing yourself from other women and get less attention from men.

                                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                          Salam/Peace everyone. I know it's been a while but i wan't to add something

                                          Some sectarian people always claim that in 2431, females must cover their heads but Allah/God (SWTAY) says in Al-Qur'an walyadribnabikhumurihinna AAala juyoobihinna ( ). Nowhere does it says cover their HEADS or HAIR (ash`?ri- ru'?si - ) and nowhere does it says it is sinful for the women not covering their heads.

                                          Plus the root definition of Khimar is to cover or veil something, brother Wakas once mentioned

                                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8900.msg30931#msg30931

                                          peace David,

                                          I did a little research on this previously, here are some notes

                                          list of occurrence

                                          From Lane

                                          Kha-Miim-Ra = cover/conceal/veil, become changed/altered from a former state/condition, mixed/mingled/incorporated/blended, intoxication/wine/grapes, make-up, any intoxicating thing that clouds/obscures the intellect, come upon secretly/unexpectedly, crowding of people, odour of perfume, women's head cover, man's turban, something fermented/matured?

                                          Lane gives examples of ?the dwelling was hidden by the trees? & ?he concealed his testimony?.

                                          Its primary signification is 'to cover'.

                                          As far as I can tell, to say 'khumur' in 2431 means 'head cover' is an extrapolation. If one takes its core meaning, it simply means 'cover/veil'.

                                          ...and let them draw/set/cast (walyadribna) their veils/covers (bikhumurihinna) over (AAala) their breasts/bosom (juyoobihinna)...

                                          Kha-Miim-Ra is in the plural in this verse.

                                          I hope this has helped.

                                          Wakas

                                          Also this is from sister Samia

                                          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14453.msg133395#msg133395

                                          I say "especially", because the verse "yudneena 3alaihinna min jalaabeebihinna" uses the preposition "min", not as part of the verb ( this verb is transitive and does not take a preposition), but because it means "some of; part of". Not the whole julbaab needs to be lowered, of course, but just part of it.

                                          Same thing could be applied to "khumurihinna" if God intended that part of it stays on the head and part of it be used to cover the bosom. Had He intended such a meaning, He would say yadribna min khumurihinna 3ala juyubihinna, especially that bi is not part of the verb. Bi here means either "with" or it is extra serving as emphasis. Either meaning we take for "bi" completely excludes "min=part of" and confirms the whole khimaar (whatever it is) be used to cover the bosom.

                                          I also want to add this

                                          From A DEEPER LOOK AT THE WORD 'KHIMAR' by Joseph Islam (http//quransmessage.com/articles/a%20deeper%20look%20at%20the%20word%20khimar%20FM3.htm)

                                          Verse 2431 is usually cited as Quranic support for the use of head coverings or the 'hijaab'. Let us note the relevant part of the verse

                                          024031 (Part)

                                          ?And to draw (walyadribna) their coverings (Bi?khumurihinna) over (ala) their chests (Jayubihin)"

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                                          Illustration - Joseph Islam

                                          What most non-Arabic speakers incline to do is to ask the common Arabic speaking person what a Quranic word may mean today. Of course, a modern day Arabic speaker will most likely give a response based on the 21st century popular rendering of the term if the term is known to them. This is also the case with popular translations which often incorporate popular uses of Arabic terms.

                                          For academics and students of the Quran who study classical languages, this is of little use. For a student of the Quran, one needs to understand what is meant by a word in its classical / Quranic usage to obtain the best meaning given the context. Words often develop in languages and the best meaning of a word needs to be understood in the context that is being studied. Conversely, it is also futile to obtain a classical rendering of a term to understand what a word means in its modern usage.

                                          The Arabic word ?Khumur? does not simply imply a head-covering for women as commonly understood in its modern day usage.

                                          It is formed from the root word ?Kha-Miim-Ra? which primarily means to ?conceal or to cover?. A veil is an example of such a covering but it is not restricted to it.

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                                          Source Edward Lanes Lexicon

                                          The same root word Kha-Miim-Ra also forms words such as ?Khamr? which means something which intoxicates (e.g. wine) as it clouds, obscures, covers and conceals the intellect. Again, the core meaning is derived from the understanding ?to conceal?

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                                          "O you who believe! Strong drink / wine (Arabic Khamru) and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an abomination of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that you may succeed"

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                                          Source Edward Lanes Lexicon

                                          Even though the ?Khimar? has now become more commonly known in its restrictive sense as a ?head covering? for women the original meaning of a ?Khimar? (plural Khumur) is anything by which a thing is veiled or covered. This is not restricted to a head covering or a covering of the hair. For a man?s turban is also known as a ?Khumur? as it ?covers? a man?s head.

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                                          Source Edward Lanes Lexicon

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                                          Source A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran by John Penrice

                                          Please note the primary rendering of the word 'Khimar' in John Penrice's 1873 dictionary as 'a covering'. The lexicographer is also correct to note the most popular usage of the word as a veil of the head and face. However this is not the 'primary' meaning.

                                          Information regarding what women wore at the time of Jahliyya (Period of Ignorance) or what their Khimar?s consisted of, are only known to us by traditions and folklore often centuries removed from source and not the Quran. Many of these narratives are well known to be aggressive interpretations against women. The Quran is and undoubtedly remains the primary source of any interpretation of Quranic words. The word ?Khimar? or ?Khumur? comes from the root ?Kh-Mim?Ra? which means something which veils or conceals.

                                          The last point to note is the Arabic word 'yadribna' which is formed from the root word ?Da-Ra-Ba? which in this context means to draw or draw over (as in to cover). This term does not necessarily or exclusively imply that it is to be drawn from a particular location such as the head.

                                          Therefore, a better rendering of the specific part of the verse in question is as follows

                                          ?...And to draw their coverings over their chests? (2431)

                                          The focus is simply on the chest. If one is to remain true to the classical Arabic and the Quran itself, there is also no implication of ?hair covering? by virtue of the word ?bi?khumurihinna? which simply means ?a covering? in its primary sense. The ?head-covering? is just one example which has also become a popular example and often used to interpret the Quran.

                                          FINAL THOUGHTS

                                          This article explores the term 'khimar' in a little more depth and argues it to mean 'anything by which a thing is veiled or covered'. This can be a head veil or a similar item, but is not restricted to it.

                                          In the article regarding 'Hijab' below , and in the particular matter of 'hair covering' it was also argued that the term 'hijaab' was never used by the Quran to imply 'head covering' either. However, it was admitted that one could argue that bedecking the hair in public (beautifying oneself to an extent which can become a cause of attraction) needs to be carefully considered under the broad Arabic term 'zeenat', a term which the article briefly explored. Many may feel that such bedecking would fall under the scope of 'zeenat'. If so, the directive is not to display this beauty and adornment to those other than the people listed in verse 2431.

                                          Related Articles

                                          (1) Hijaab http//quransmessage.com/articles/hijaab%20FM3.htm

                                          (2) Thobe & Jilbab http//quransmessage.com/articles/thobe-jilbab%20FM3.htm

                                          REFERENCES

                                          LANE. E.W, Edward Lanes Lexicon, Williams and Norgate 1863; Librairie du Liban Beirut-Lebanon 1968, Volume 2, Page 807-808

                                          Ibid., Page 808

                                          Highlights marked in red on the lexicon excerpt are my own insertions. They have no bearing on the original text other than they emphasise relevance to the topic at hand. These are merely illustrations and have solely been utilised for educational and explanatory purposes.

                                          Ibid., Page 809

                                          PENRICE, J, A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran 1873; Reprint 1991 Adam Publishers & Distributors, Delhi, Page 45

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