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What is the cause of existence of the Universe we live in?

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    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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    There's no Universe. It is part of Satan's deception to hide God and make people feel insignificant. The sky decorated by lights/stars is a physical structure or dome above the flat Earth. We are surrounded by an ice wall. The Sun and the moon are small relative to the size of the flat Earth. The Sun is local not 93 million miles away. For scientific evidence Google Flat Earth

    bravo

    "Al ardi" = land, not globe.
    "Al samaa" = sky, not universe

    Our world is al samawati wa al ardi, not "space and the globe."

    https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608640.msg410971#msg410971

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhRiLP32qfs

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-G2aiVoeu8&t=635s (has short bits of lewdness by editor)

    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkEL4yBJxm8

    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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      good_logic
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      What is the radius of the sun? And what is the radius of the earth?
      Or do you say we cannot measure them?
      Can we still argue about mathematics these days?
      GOD bless our eyes, mind and simple logic.
      Peace.

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        HP_TECH
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        What is the radius of the sun? And what is the radius of the earth?
        Or do you say we cannot measure them?
        Can we still argue about mathematics these days?
        GOD bless our eyes, mind and simple logic.
        Peace.

        Can YOU measure them?
        The mathematics of your false paradigm do not add up.
        Ask yourself how these distances are measured.

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          good_logic
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          Peace HP_TECH.

          How do I measure distances and diameters? Well not me personally but this
          https//www.nationalgeographic.org/activity/planetary-size-and-distance-comparison/

          If you are going to come back with conspiracies and false Science, then we have been there before.
          We have discussed the day, night, time zones, shapes of planets including the earth etc
          I am happy to discuss distances , sizes , and radiuses of planets and certain stars...If you wish.
          As long as day and night keep rolling, and both of us are here, I would not mind.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

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            Cerberus
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            What is the cause of existence of the Universe we live in?

            A container exist for its content

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              HP_TECH
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              And where is the evidence of this?

              He literally said google Flat Earth.
              The evidence is EVERYWHERE, some refuse to accept it.
              Akin to the manner in which evidence of The Creator and His Rahm is EVERYWHERE yet those who conceal the truth refuse to admit it.

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                Peace HP_TECH.

                How do I measure distances and diameters? Well not me personally but this
                https//www.nationalgeographic.org/activity/planetary-size-and-distance-comparison/

                If you are going to come back with conspiracies and false Science, then we have been there before.
                We have discussed the day, night, time zones, shapes of planets including the earth etc
                I am happy to discuss distances , sizes , and radiuses of planets and certain stars...If you wish.
                As long as day and night keep rolling, and both of us are here, I would not mind.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

                That does not even remotely answer my question.

                It does not address how sizes and distances are measured.

                Your failure to provide proper explanation is a clear indication of either your utter lack of understanding of the matter at hand or yet another attempt at question dodging on your behalf.

                https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging

                1)How do YOU know what you claim to be a fact is factual since, we are indulging in false science and conspiracies?

                2)So what is the difference between accepting the information you are getting from that website albeit it is irrelevant and the information some others are relaying to you?

                3)Why do you choose that information over another set of information?

                4)Are you an absolute expert in the field and have conducted many studies and therefore have investigated all aspects and all theoretical possibilities?

                It is rather you, latching onto false "Science". Words and numbers that have been repeated for centuries so you take them as truths. Have you no shame? The time will soon come when the truth will be laid bare, then you will be abased for your obstinance against the reality of the creation of your Lord and your supporting and following of corruption without ANY knowledge having come to you from Him and without application of judgement.

                Believe as you will but do not label this or that as false when the foundations of your home are weaker than the one of the spider.

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  Can YOU measure them?
                  The mathematics of your false paradigm do not add up.
                  Ask yourself how these distances are measured.

                  peace, suggest basic math class ponder next time use smart phone for directions i.e. GPS.

                  Law of Cosines
                  http//hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/imgmth/lcos.gif

                  Eratosthenes of Cyrene (Born 276 BC, Cyrene, Libya) was a mathematician.

                  This illustration shows how Eratosthenes actually calculated the circumference of the Earth. At noon on the summer solstice, Eratosthenes measured the length of the shadow cast by a column of known height at Alexandria. With these two lengths, he could solve for the angle between them (&#952.
                  https//aamboceanservice.blob.core.windows.net/oceanservice-prod/education/kits/geodesy/media/geo02a_700.gif

                  https//s8.postimg.org/5abc5wnw5/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch25v35-45.jpg

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                    Jafar
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                    What is the cause of existence of the Universe we live in?

                    Because a dude ate a fruit which was forbidden for him to eat...

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                      good_logic
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                      Peace HP_TECH.

                      According to you some facts about earth and our universe are conspiracies and false Science.
                      According to me, from what I clearly see and reason out of what is available in Science of our universe, they are facts.

                      Measuring distances has long been established
                      Astronomers can use parallax to find distances to objects much farther even than planets. To calculate the distance to a star, astronomers observe it from different places along Earth's orbit around the Sun. If they measure the object's position several months apart, their "two eyes" will have a separation of well over 100 million miles!
                      Now astronomers have technologies to measure distances to other planets more directly. We can send a powerful radar signal toward a planet and time how long it takes for the echo to return. Astronomers know how fast these signals travel (the speed of light), so measuring how long they take makes it easy to calculate the distance very accurately.
                      Yes brother, VERY ACCURATELY.
                      Likewise, it is up to you what to believe, I am just surprised at your Science!!!!
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

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                        good_logic
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                        Let us just consider the sun, Do you think Science knows about this star much ?
                        Of course they do. Life on earth would be impossible if earth and the sun were not at the distance they are now, about 93,000,000 miles.
                        GOD has placed the earth at the exact distance from the sun for life to be possible.
                        -Wa kulla shaiin Kaddarnahu Takdeera- Everything was measured precisely by the Maker.
                        Or give us your take on the sun and how far exactly it is from earth?
                        God bless.
                        Peace.

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                          Abdun_Nur
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                          The universe is the product of consciousness, all is thought, you have consciousness which is fractal in nature, this allows a shared perceptual reality, as only a single consciousness exists, there is a simple dichotomy of everything (thought) in opposition to absolute pure nothingness, and just as with most dichotomies it is asymmetrical, just like blackness underpins light, and silence underpins sound, nothingness underpins thought.

                          I did write an essay explaining how this came about, many years ago. There is no God, there is a fractal form ever growing, no separation, closer than your jugular vein, to have a god would require something other, and nothing other exists, only a single consciousness fractal structured, and the product of that collective (fractal) and dichotomous single consciousness, thought.

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                            good_logic
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                            There will be many other new conspiracies once this happens
                            Human and other missions to the Moon are planned by India, China and Russia, as well as Japan and Europe. South Korea and North Korea are also looking toward the Moon.

                            I think more nails on the coffin of a flat earth . Let us wait and see what develops?
                            GOD bless.
                            Peace

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                              No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                              There will be many other new conspiracies once this happens
                              Human and other missions to the Moon are planned by India, China and Russia, as well as Japan and Europe. South Korea and North Korea are also looking toward the Moon.

                              I think more nails on the coffin of a flat earth . Let us wait and see what develops?
                              GOD bless.
                              Peace

                              Your username is ironic at this point. Still no one has or can refute the following properly to my knowledge

                              https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608640.msg410971#msg410971

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                good_logic
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                                Peace progressive.

                                Wait ,I am also waiting.
                                I have read your stuff, at the beginning of the journey there are many obstacles. You are hitting few of them at the moments in many threads. There are still contradictions,dogmas and misconceptions in your views in my opinion.
                                Too eager and enthusiastic. Have patience and keep studying.
                                Please forgive my honest and sincere feedback.
                                May the Lord help you to overcome some of these obstacles.
                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace

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                                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                  Peace progressive.

                                  Wait ,I am also waiting.
                                  I have read your stuff, at the beginning of the journey there are many obstacles. You are hitting few of them at the moments in many threads. There are still contradictions,dogmas and misconceptions in your views in my opinion.
                                  Too eager and enthusiastic. Have patience and keep studying.
                                  Please forgive my honest and sincere feedback.
                                  May the Lord help you to overcome some of these obstacles.
                                  GOD bless you.
                                  Peace

                                  The irony is piling on. Keep twisting your tongue to deny the words of the god, while believing fake idols/tyrants such as NASA, gravity and more.

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Well brother, this is where we part company.
                                    If the Lord wills,we may come back to discuss this in the future.
                                    There is a reason for everything.
                                    My reason is to encourage you with more studies on the subject.
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace

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                                      Abdun_Nur
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                                      Clearly the earth is a sphere, plenty of evidence confirms this, gravity however is not an attraction of mass, that they have lied about, if it were it would pull in all directions, so for example if i stood at the side of a huge mountain it should pull me sideways, but of course it does not.

                                      The earth is also a growing body, as all planets are, this is due to the constant absorption of comic energy, this absorption attracted by the metallic body of the planet is the cause of gravity and the reason the earth expands, the lie is that the earth has moving plates that subduct, this is an insane idea were the newly formed sea bed which is 3 to 6km thick hits the older land masses which are around 34km thick and is pushed directly downwards, there is no evidence to support such a nonsensical idea. If the fossil record is considered insects originally dominated the land and were enormous, this was because the earth was very much smaller and the force of gravity was reduced, as the earth grew the insects became smaller, this happened again with the dinosaurs, it was their huge size that drove them to extinction as the earth grew bigger they could not withstand the gravity.

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                                        Noon_waalqalami
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                                        Your username is ironic at this point. Still no one has or can refute the following properly to my knowledge

                                        https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608640.msg410971#msg410971

                                        peace, you posted this right?

                                        author=progressive1993
                                        (2922) And you cannot escape in the earth or in the sky. And you have besides God neither ally nor helper.

                                        How did NASA escape then?

                                        cannot escape "punishment" anywhere including " in the heaven/sky"
                                        when shown need to acknowledge -- do you understand your misreading?

                                        congrats you proved it! read in context; cannot escape "in the land" and not "in the heaven/sky"
                                        therefore possible to go "there" or anywhere on earth although cannot escape the punishment.

                                        https//s1.postimg.org/73ounop8kv/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch29v18-27.jpg

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                                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                          Noon, you addressed 2-3 points among many which are very damning to NASA tyranny/false authority (taghoot) believers. The sky is a roof protected, and the god, the almighty source of all origin, constructed it. There are no gaps therein. We cannot escape what gullible people call "earth" which in realiy is a plane of land along with seven heavens. We cannot penetrate the barrier. The land is a plane/carpet (firashan).

                                          People are invited to check the verses and Youtube links in the post to which I linked.

                                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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